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Old Posted Jun 5, 2007, 9:57 PM
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Grand Ave will have a phase 2

Concerto is on hold

1027 Wilshire has been bumped up to 51 floors
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2007, 10:15 PM
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Grand Ave will have a phase 2

1027 Wilshire has been bumped up to 51 floors
Any word yet on what the "phase 2" of Grand Avenue will be?

And that's great news 1027 Wilshire was bumped up from 48 to 51 floors. Do we have approximate dates yet on when these approved will break ground or how many of these proposed will get moved to approved?
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2007, 10:51 PM
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Any word yet on what the "phase 2" of Grand Avenue will be?
Ultimately, there are to be 3 phases total. More details can be found here:

http://www.grandavenuecommittee.org/index.html

Site "Q" represents phase 1, sites "W" and "L + M" are phases 2 and 3.

     
     
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There haven't been any updates recently on some of those projects. Here's all I know:

Grand Avenue Project Phase I is scheduled to begin this October.

Concerto is on hold, I think we'll get one tower at least.

Maguire Partners is trying to garner leasing interest before they'll move forward with their new tower.

City House & Olympic have been pushed back to early 2008.

Metropolis Phase I may start later this year.

There was a big article recently about Hamid Behdad & 1027 Wilshire Blvd (April?) in the Downtown News. The developer has gained entitlements and they're expecting to break ground this year.

I think some public notice just went out this week regarding a hearing on June 27th for the Grand Towers project. The notice only mentioned a single 43-story tower. It must still be moving forward.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2007, 11:03 PM
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The One Santa Fe project is pretty neat. It will be inside the current fenceline of the red/purple line yard.

BTW the MTA also sold the south part of the yard that was being saved for future expansion a couple of months ago. I don't think that parcel had street access and it was bought by one of the adjacent property owners for warehouse/industrial use.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2007, 1:23 AM
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A better rendering of One Santa Fe from LA Curbed:

     
     
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I'll add it to the front page. Any ideas on how many stories it is? I'm guessing 5-7??
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2007, 3:47 AM
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looks like a cool project! hopefully the controversial lot will also be developed soon so that the area will be improved even more.

by the way, Google Earth had some new renderings for the 9th and Flower project. maybe someone can post them here? ill try to as well.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2007, 4:30 AM
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I was wondering.. what's the deal with so many of the towers, either under construction or approved/proposed that have parking "podiums" recently? There was a time when most high rises constructed DT had underground parking. I'm guessing it's mainly economics - cheaper to build up than underground. Was there a change in the code at some point? Or was/is the city desperate for development and willing to allow projects of a style it once would not?

On one hand, it does cause the tower to be taller overall than it might've otherwise been (cool), but often it's not incorporated in the design very stealthily and ends up looking tacky at a pedestrian level (on the curb). Sometimes retail is incorporated into the podium successfully to an extent, but these seem to be the exception. Usually it's still painfully obvious it's there. The towers "floating" on a parking podium remind me of a fortress or one step away from being an "off world colony" - completely isolated from the surrounding streetscape.

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I added One Santa Fe to the front page. Regarding 1027 Wilshire going from 48 to 51 stories, what's the source on that information?
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I added One Santa Fe to the front page. Regarding 1027 Wilshire going from 48 to 51 stories, what's the source on that information?
Colemonkee, this is from the LA Downtown News's Quarterly Update:

A 51-story tower at 1027 Wilshire Blvd. in City West would be the city's tallest purely residential structure. The project by 1027 Wilshire LLC, which includes Amidi Real Estate Group and Central City Development Group, would house 402 condominiums. Hamid Behdad, the former adaptive reuse czar of Los Angeles and the president of CCDG, said the project is in the plan check stage. According to the Amidi website, the development would include 875 parking spaces, have a gross area of 522,000 square feet and cost $400 million. The developer hopes to break ground this year and open in 2010.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2007, 6:27 AM
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by the way, Google Earth had some new renderings for the 9th and Flower project. maybe someone can post them here? ill try to as well.
I tried all the tricks... this is the best I could do:



     
     
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cool thanks, those were the ones. im sure LAM will get better ones soon
     
     
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what did this project use to look like?
     
     
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the sheer amount of parking still being required and built in downtown illustrates just how much further la's transit system needs to grow for any real, substantive kind of urbanism to take hold in our city. most of these projects are being built for people who drive to work in suburbs, etc - downtown is increasingly becoming a dense bedroom community. much of this growth is going to be limited by mobility.

we are celebrating a surface-value downtown renaissance (and a surface-value downtown) the real change isn't happening until a large proportion of this city begins travelling by mass transit within a concentrated area like all the other well urbanized cities throughout the world - not until we start seeing purple, vermont, silver, yellow, expo, and various other links open. all the great urban centers of the world, chicago's lakefront, tokyo's 23 wards, manhattan, londons city, central paris, all evolved out of at least a century's worth of existing dense rail infrastructure, organically, and the relatively uninterrupted commercial, residential, and entertainment growth that evolved out of and depended on it. these centers retained their status as the indispensible centers of their metros - i'd argue also because they remained great financial centers - great centers of equities trading ensured that a large educated white-collar financial and corporate presence populated these centers.

LA, first of all, has nothing close to this level of functional centralization within an equivalent 20-40 sq miles; within an area which can be adequately served by a dense rail infrastructure, and second of all, will probably never build a rail network of such a level of density given the semi-commuter rail network being pursued out to bumblefuck montclair etcetera, and thirdly, if tides miraculously change enabling a dense construction spree, it would take probably five decades of "de-sprawlification" (on the order of hundreds of millions sf of office space moving back to this hypothetical center, thousands of car-oriented structures being replaced by ped-oriented ones, etc), and a tremendous education of LA's relatively braindead populace, for LA to begin to tout "world class urbanism" to speak of, at least on the order of paris or london or tokyo.

that said....

highrises are tall and shiny and expensive and city-like!!! I'm eternally happy our 4 sq miles of shiny highrises is finally getting more shiny neighbors!! If we can't actually be a real city, at least we can look like one in the postcards!!! LAMG, citywatch, bjornson, if you're listening, post more pictures and comments! who needs pointy-headed discussions about subways, urban design, and other far-fetched ideas when the real problem is as simple as appearance!? Where's the pretty pictures LAMG?!

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You know, I agree with a lot of what you say most of the time. Sometimes it just sounds wayyyy too cynical. That's all. I've never been very boosterish either if you've noticed. But hey, thanks for the shout out!
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^well it merely serves to counter the hyperinflated expectations expressed by many of us here - many of which approach pure idiocy, and in my opinion, many of which completely validate the notorious la/hollywood idiot stereotype. i actually think it's a service to the la forums, and i prefer to call it a dose of reality - it only sounds cynical because it flies against all of the above, and also because all of it comes out of pretty much one person, me.

btw, i'm flattered to be put in your sig. def worth including you in my "shout out"
     
     
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cool thanks, those were the ones. im sure LAM will get better ones soon
The rendering on Meruelo's website is more legit. The one on Google Earth seems to be a mere sketch up.
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Yeah, those Google Earth sketch-ups don't have the water feature or the balconies on the corners. I think those are just someone's attempt, not necessarily more accurate renders.

Friday, is the DT News the only source for the 51 floors? If so, I'm hesitant to change the front page, given DT News' previous track record with getting facts and numbers straight.

edluva, you're right, we are largely celebrating a surface level downtown that won't act like a true downtown like NY, Chicago or London for quite some time, if ever. But many of the people who have relocated to downtown LA are embracing the "urban" lifestyle as much as their personal situation allows them, driving their cars less, using public transportation more (though admitedly not nearly to the level used in other urban cities), and staying local more than they did before. My prediction is that as the downtown population grows and the amenities and choices of amenities within downtown grow with it, a growing percentage of those people will start to use downtown as a real downtown. I realize that percentage will grow very slowly over time, but that's the best we can hope for given our development history in LA. To me it seems like a waste of energy to try and become NY or London or Tokyo overnight. That shit just ain't gonna happen. But we can hope to make our streets a more pedestrian friendly and urban oriented, a little tiny bit at a time.
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^Truth. Even exponential growth looks slow when you're starting from practically nothing. LA Live will be a big key because being able to attract tourists is a huge part of having a vibrant center. If downtown were to one day have 100,000 residents and consistently 15,000 tourists (is this a reasonable number if we get 3 or 4 times the conventions that we have now?) it will be an extremely lively place.
     
     
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