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Old Posted Jun 1, 2007, 9:54 PM
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imploding 1 Court Square (old pizitz bldg.) is one of my dreams.

I like it, but I'd think they'd wanna be closer to the Capitol complex.... but it's an idea.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2007, 10:25 PM
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I think Old Cloverdale might be trying to be coy. That is one of the worst kept secrets in town. An engineering/architectural firm has been tasked with studying that very concept. I for one, would love to see it happen. I hope the legislature has the vision and courage to make the new state house the stately and grand type of building that it should be. Could absolutely be the catalyst to energize the revitalization of the entire area of downtown. All the vacant buildings would quickly fill up with lobby organizations. I vote YES.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2007, 12:42 AM
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I did not know that. Any references? or just speculation?
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2007, 7:51 AM
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Nice animation - That would be very nice - I hope you are joking about public parking. Why would you want to make one of the most focal parts of your downtown a parking lot/garage?

Not to worry. There's no way that a parking lot would be located at the old Pizit's location. In fact, at the bottom of the animation, it shows that the proposed Lower Dexter parking deck will be surrounded by buildings.

I would highly doubt that the new statehouse would be located that far away from the Capitol Complex. But I would love to see that building go away too. It's taking up prime real estate...where the city's next high-rise should be built.
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Major Announcement Set For Next Week On Interstate 65 Project

That bumpy stretch of Interstate 65 in Montgomery is one step closer to being a lot smoother.

State and federal officials have approved the low bid of $79.5 million dollars, and are working to finalize the contract with the low bidder. Workers will widen and resurface a stretch of I-65 from Catoma Creek north to the I-85 interchange and will widen bridges beyond the interchange in anticipation of the interstate eventually going to 6 lanes from south of Montgomery to Prattville.

No word on when construction will begin or how long it'll take to complete. But late on Friday, WSFA 12 News learned a major announcement is planned for next week.

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I'm assuming this is the boring building in the middle of the block. I'd love to see it torn down but not wasted on the legislature. Let's make it public parking and give it access to Washington from behind as well.
I used to work at Pizitz when I was in school. Funny, it was sposed to be the downtown savior along with Belks across the square. I agree for other uses it probably doesn't suit the purpose, but it was never really conceived correctly as it did not beckon with on-street retail, nor was it very good as the Capitol City Club and probably ruined the Elite Cafe as well. What a place for an office tower - say 10-15 stories?
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The project has a scheduled comletion date of October 15, 2009.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2007, 6:30 PM
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For the State House? Can we get some more info please.....
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2007, 9:58 PM
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no....I was talking about I-65
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2007, 11:12 PM
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City seeks traffic data

By Andre Coe


Montgomery area transportation planners need public input and are using an Internet traffic survey to help determine the future transportation needs of the River Region.

Data collected from the survey not only gives planners useful information, but facts and numbers are needed to justify requests for federal and state money. The data also helps planners make decisions that serve the best interest of the public, officials say.

"The more information we have to make good decisions, the better," said Mayor Bobby Bright.

Residents can participate by visiting www.montgomerympo.org and filling out the survey. It asks questions about travel patterns, number of trips taken, modes of transportation used and socioeconomic information such as household income, race and gender.

Participants will then click on a map to show their travel patterns throughout the Montgomery metropolitan area from start to finish. People do not have to provide all their information. However, incomplete responses can lead to inaccurate data. The survey takes about 10 minutes to complete.

"This (information) is significant because people's travel patterns may be effected by their income or where they are starting from and going to," said Robert Smith, a transportation planner with the Montgomery Area Metropolitan Planning Organization.

The survey was designed in partnership with the University of Alabama in Huntsville, the Alabama Department of Transportation and the University Transportation Center of Alabama.Eleven Alabama cities and metropolitan areas are participating in the survey, which has been used in places such as Atlanta, Smith said.

The survey cost $50,000 with with the federal government providing $40,000 and the city contributing $10,000.Data will be collected through September and will be for used only by survey organizers.

The mayor said planners have gone door to door in previous surveys to collect the data, but that is expensive and labor intensive.

"The most important thing," Bright said, "is for people to contribute."
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I was confused. I was thinking about what I believe was once Montgomery Fair. While I would expect retail on the street, I think that would be a great place for public parking. It will be a while before we have the density downtown to come close to making it self sufficient. Better access will be necessary in the mean time.

As for what I think of as the Capital City Club, replacement with something more.....anything would be an improvement. In the meantime, if all of the offices were moved off the first floor, it could be made into retail making it a little more street friendly. Keeping offices upstairs would keep some population downtown.
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City of surprises
Sunday, June 03, 2007

The wardrobe people at the Alabama Shakespeare Festival love their vodka. They carry it with them wherever they go. No, the actors who wear the costumes they create and care for don't drive them to drink.

Rather it turns out that vodka is great at removing perspiration stains and odors, notes Meg Lewis of the Festival staff. So as soon as a sweating actor tosses off the costume of the moment, here comes a wardrobe person spritzing it with vodka, so it will be ready for the next show.

That's just one of the things you can learn on a backstage tour at the Festival. And it's just one of the surprises offered in Montgomery.

Sure, we read about our capital city all the time. Political goings-on ensure that. And we may even have toured the Capitol on Goat Hill when we were in school. No doubt most of us are aware of the parts the city played in the Civil War and in civil rights. But Montgomery has more to offer than just government and history - although those can be plenty fascinating in themselves.

Montgomery also offers other surprises, things many of us just 90 miles to the north might not have associated with the city. It is developing a genial, urban scene that's mixing the old with the new and offering unusual experiences.

Urban experience

Take the Biscuits baseball team, which plays in the AA Southern League with the Barons. Professional baseball left Montgomery in 1980. It didn't return until 2004 after several aborted efforts to get a team back into the city.

But when baseball did return, it was to a beautiful new $26-million stadium nestled downtown between historic buildings. It sits on the site of the old Western Alabama Railway rail yard and the site of a former cotton warehouse that served as a prison for Union soldiers during the Civil War. The railroad company's offices and shed, erected in 1898, became part of the park's structure.

Taking in a Biscuits game puts visitors right in the heart of the city. From the stands of Riverwalk Stadium, they look out over the Alabama River. From the outfield, they can look back at turn-of-the-century roof tops. Last year, it was named the best ball park in the minor leagues.

This is the way baseball is meant to be watched.

For additional entertainment, fans can hope that a homerun ball will hit a passing train on the main rail line that passes between the park and the river.

The river and the rail line are evidence of what made Montgomery grow in the first place - first river and then rail transportation. Through the years, it seemed as if the city was turning its back on this heritage. You could pass through Montgomery or visit and hardly realize that the river was there.

But now the city is embracing the river. The new Riverwalk park overlooks it, where you can see skiers on a warm summer afternoon. And it's a place for concerts and other activities.

Nearby is the old Union Station, which houses the Montgomery Area Convention and Visitors Bureau. Behind the building the great train shed with its stained glass still stands. It's worth a trip to the CVB just to get a chance to walk in this great space. You also can take a peek at one of the streetcars that ran on the nation's first fully electric lines, The Lightning Route.

Also located in the Union Station is Lek's Railroad Thai restaurant. It is one of the earliest members of growing sophistication in dining in the area.

To dine for

Once there was only one notable eating establishment in Montgomery -The Elite (pronounced E-Light) Cafe at 129 Montgomery St. Hank Williams made his last public appearance at the next door Casino Lounge. And of course it was the place where all the politicians ate.

The Elite is gone, replaced by Nobles. But there has been a steady expansion in the dining scene. Among the newest are Lunde's downtown and Isaiah's, up on the bluff.

Lunde's, at 201 Montgomery St., is open for lunch only. Desserts such as Norwegian apple pie and chocolate cherry cobbler are made on site.

Isaiah's, 135 Mildred St., is also a lunch-only place that offers such things as smoked barbecue, meatloaf, pot roast and lemon-pepper catfish.

And then there is the Flip's Uptown Grill (3900 Atlanta Highway and 7900 Vaughn Road). Flip's is themed on classic cars and a classic diner design. You'd expect this to be a burger place, but burgers are hardly the main thing on the menu.

Instead, there are meat and three offerings, wraps, a wide variety of sandwiches and other specialty dishes. And it's all prepared to order.

Out east, on U.S. 80 in Mount Meigs is Dawson's at Rose Hill. It's barely off I-85, but in its secluded area, Dawson's seems set not only apart but back in time. The restaurant is in a vintage house set in the middle of a large plot of undeveloped land that once belonged to Alabama's first millionaire.

To get there, a visitor turns off U.S. 80 and travels up a gravel road, where he finds the restaurant. Across the way, cats lounge and an emu ponders everyone who arrives. Diners then enter the restaurant by walking through a grape arbor.

The kitchen is a one-man operation, that of chef Dave Wackerman. He creates the menu and cooks each item himself; there is no sous chef.

He creates such dishes as stuffed pork loin with spinach, country sausage, mozzarella and parmesan cheese; and roast duck with Granny Smith apples and fresh strawberries on a bed of wild rice, topped with orange honey sauce.

A place to stay

Once, finding a place to stay in Montgomery was limited, especially in the downtown area. But the options are growing day by day.

In the past two years, there has been more than $100 million in public and private investment in the downtown area. A major portion of this is a $29 million transformation of the current civic center, which will be tied to a new $53 million hotel being built by the Retirement Systems of Alabama.

Just up the bluff from downtown on Clay Street is Red Bluff Cottage Bed & Breakfast. It is built in a Creole cottage style and offers four bedrooms with private baths, each with its own personality.

The biggest room is The Great Gatsby Bedroom, with a king-size bed and decor reflecting on F. Scott and Zelda Fitzgerald.

The innkeepers are the genial Barry and Bonnie Ponstein, formerly of Alabaster who looked all over the South for a bed and breakfast. They couldn't find just the right one - until they fell in love with Red Bluff Cottage.

And nearby, next door to Isaiah's restaurant, is The Butterfly Inn. In fact, it is owned by Isaiah and Johnnie Sankey of Isaiah's.

Don't forget the history

Even if you didn't come to Montgomery for the history, it's hard to avoid it. The city may have more historical markers per mile than any other in Alabama. They tell a story that stretches back to the Creek Indian days and trace the growth of Montgomery from a pair of hamlets call New Philadelphia and East Alabama to the present day.

Of course, no history tour would be complete without understanding the city's place in the nation's history. And that includes both the Civil War and civil rights.

The Convention and Visitors Bureau has a new audio tour available. Using an MP3 player, the voices of people who played important parts in the struggle help the story come alive as a visitor tours the area.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2007, 10:11 PM
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I was confused. I was thinking about what I believe was once Montgomery Fair. While I would expect retail on the street, I think that would be a great place for public parking. It will be a while before we have the density downtown to come close to making it self sufficient. Better access will be necessary in the mean time.

As for what I think of as the Capital City Club, replacement with something more.....anything would be an improvement. In the meantime, if all of the offices were moved off the first floor, it could be made into retail making it a little more street friendly. Keeping offices upstairs would keep some population downtown.
As I understand it, the building that once held Montgomery Fair on Dexter has been purchased and is to be renovated as a mixed use project.
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When I read the AL.com forum I am led to believe that Montgomery is a cespool of corruption, crime, and decay. When I read this forum I get a whole lot better feeling about Montgomery. I think I will stay here.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2007, 10:18 PM
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the al.com forums are full of racists, haters, and conspiracy theorists. I'm fully convinced that there are just a few real posters on there, and one or two people with several screen names who do nothing but bad mouth the city.

That being said, the Gump isn't utopia by a long freaking mile, there's lots to be fixed, but pure negativity isn't the way to go about it.
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Nothing against any Prattville resident who views this board, but a lot of the bad mouthing is coming from north of the river.............. almost to the point where they are bad mouthing the residents in addition to the school system, leaders, and crime rate. If Prattville had 200,000 residents, it's crime rate would be in line with Montgomery's, but they don't.
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After viewing al.com forums for a sec, I've come to the idea that the users there are cheering on the falling of Montgomery....... I saw one user name "TheNextSelma"

Every other thread includes bashing of Bobby Bright, I honestly hope these people don't reside in the city, and are merely bad mouthing Montgomery from north of the river until it's time to drive down I-65 to there well paid job for the work day.
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2007, 4:22 AM
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the al.com forums are full of racists, haters, and conspiracy theorists. I'm fully convinced that there are just a few real posters on there, and one or two people with several screen names who do nothing but bad mouth the city.

You are 100% correct about that. It made me nauseous to read the posts there. Most of them answer their own posts with a different name...

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Nothing against any Prattville resident who views this board, but a lot of the bad mouthing is coming from north of the river.............. almost to the point where they are bad mouthing the residents in addition to the school system, leaders, and crime rate. If Prattville had 200,000 residents, it's crime rate would be in line with Montgomery's, but they don't.
Not only those on that forum, but some that work for the Advertiser have the same agenda from what was told and from what I've read over the years; especially one in particular name Marty.

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When I read the AL.com forum I am led to believe that Montgomery is a cesspool of corruption, crime, and decay. When I read this forum I get a whole lot better feeling about Montgomery. I think I will stay here.
There is more realism and balance about what's going on here on this forum; the good and the bad. What's really sad is that some who only read what's on al.com really thought there was no development going on in Montgomery until they actually came and saw that it's not the case by any means. If what they said was true, everyone would immediately be shot as soon as they went outside of any door. They're just a bunch of dorks...
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You all know my opinions on AL.com and they've been well documented.

All I'll say this time is that I respect TheNextSelma and feel that he's a straight shooter. He's no racist like KennesawKlaw or her clones. Yes there are a lot of black on black crimes in Montgomery and if you're white or not involved with drugs, your chances of being involved are far less. But it's the less dangerous crimes like car break-ins and shoplifting that bother ppl. We just want the young ppl of Montgomery's Public Schools to have as good an education as those in the "Academies"(which I think are purely existant for whites to keep their kids away from blacks) and for a stronger police presence. As for the whole Dixie Mafia angle, this is the South. There's a Boss Hogg in every single city, county, and state. We should be so lucky we're not in Louisiana where politics like that are far more entrenched.
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