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Old Posted May 30, 2007, 12:42 AM
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So how do the proposed 30-story buildings at Marina Heights compare with "A" Mountain? It seems that if 30 stories is OK for Centerpoint, which is farther west (closer to the airport) and it's not much different in height than "A" Mountain, which it's right next to, then there shouldn't be much of an issue.

I love sitting in Sun Devil Stadium and watching the planes come in from the east. Those lining up to land on the south runway fly directly over the stadium and "A" Mountain, and still have plenty of height at that point, so I wouldn't think 30 stories 200 yards to the north would be much different.

The only way it makes sense that everyone is worried about the height of these buildings is if 30 stories is much taller than "A" Mountain, in which case it's pretty ludicrous of SunCor to even propose them.
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Old Posted May 30, 2007, 12:54 AM
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It will be a bit taller than the stadium, and a lot closer to the flightpath, which is the real problem.
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Old Posted May 30, 2007, 3:31 AM
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They're not as worried about landings. They're worried about take-offs. Specifically, they're worried about the emergency flight path that a passenger jet would use if it were to have an engine failure at take-off (or immediately following take-off). I don't remember the specifics, but the jist of it that buildings in downtown Tempe over 300-350ft would pose a significant hazard to a single engine passenger jet performing emergency manuvers


P.S. - wikipedia says the elevation of Town Lake is 1140ft, while "A" Mountain is 1495ft, a differnce of 355ft. So, I don't see how the argument presented above would make anysense if the building is 50ft shorter and directly adjacent to "A" Mountain.

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Old Posted May 30, 2007, 5:51 AM
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P.S. - wikipedia says the elevation of Town Lake is 1140ft, while "A" Mountain is 1495ft, a differnce of 355ft. So, I don't see how the argument presented above would make anysense if the building is 50ft shorter and directly adjacent to "A" Mountain.
- If Wikipedia says so, it's gotta be true.
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Old Posted May 30, 2007, 1:48 PM
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- If Wikipedia says so, it's gotta be true.
I know, I know. I give people shit all the time for doing "research" on wiki, but for something like the elevation of Tempe its an okay source.
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Old Posted May 30, 2007, 3:37 PM
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I'm not quite sure what the best way to get the elevation of something absent an official survey. Every method has its downside, but the free, cheap, and easy county assessor's site lists the closest (10' intervals) elevation contours at 1160' for closest to the lake and 1490' for the mountain top itself.

From what I remember on an earlier article (probably in this thread even) regarding the emergency post-take off procedures involved the pilot turning their plane 90 degrees the other direction down towards the Mill Avenue area before major obstructions/rough terrain--the mountain/Papago Park.

Phoenix's consternation for large buildings in the flight path is more paranoia for Sky Harbor's economic survival and the whims of its tenant carriers than anything outside its vaguely rigid definitions of "safe" or "not safe." Annoyingly, since the emergency landing procedures are corporate secrets, and changing flight corridors is an FAA nightmare (remember Northwest 2000?), Phoenix has no problems taking a hard line.

Phoenix has a clear rule of thumb (100' for every 1 mile from the runway)--Tempe requires declarations of no hazard before construction. Where Tempe would be wise to adopt the Phoenix rule, lakefront and downtown development pressures keep pushing floorplates into flightpaths.

I don't get where Hallman is coming from with his "absurdly tall" buildings quote--300' is still shorter than the mountain and still in line albeit on the upper end with what's still being proposed. You would think that with no views any Marina Heights development would block he'd push for the sky here--how better could Hayden Butte look economically for Tempe than with a skirt of skyscrapers?

How many of you have heard any insipidly particular suburban mindsets regarding this project? I've seen and read people complain about ASU's lack of parking like new structures are impossible, the lack of open space (huh?), the filthiness of the lake, and other stuff generally not conforming with the cheap and easy facade of suburban bullshit.

Others, eg, the type I work with, eagerly anticipate a new skyline and the "cool" buildings that are popping up. Seems there's not much of a gray area?

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Old Posted May 30, 2007, 4:11 PM
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try google earth for elevations....
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Old Posted May 30, 2007, 4:58 PM
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I'm not buying the whole emergency-take-off-landing argument for this development. I think it's a bunch of bullshit. One thing I don't like about the the development is that it will take away from the iconic view of Sun Devil Stadium.
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Old Posted May 30, 2007, 5:11 PM
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I don't know if it was posted, but an updated version (April 07) of the Tempe projects graph is available on the website:
http://www.tempe.gov/business/Development_Report/

It also has a cool "hotel" chart. I hope the 11-story Residence Inn starts construction this summer. They haven't torn down Bandersnatch yet though...
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Old Posted May 30, 2007, 8:34 PM
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4 key developments face Tempe's council
Katie Nelson
The Arizona Republic
May. 30, 2007 12:26 PM

The Tempe City Council is slated to finalize four key land development deals Thursday night.

Those deals include plans for the two largest open swaths of land along Tempe Town Lake.

Arizona State University owns a 25.6-acre site that's a student parking lot now. Tempe-based SunCor Development Company has plans to develop the lakeshore property into high rises containing condos, office and retail space, as well as another convention hotel. The council is scheduled to approve conceptual plans for those buildings.

City leaders could also put the final ink on a deal to sell a nearby plot of Town Lake land for $42.5 million. The California developers behind "Tempe Pier 202 LLC" won out over ten other groups to develop land that years ago was going to be turned into a Peabody Hotel. This new group of developers intends to install high-rise mixed-use space on the 27 acres.

Also on the agenda is a development contract with the developers selected for the Fifth Street and Farmer Avenue site - a long, skinny piece of land that buffers the neighborhood to the west from downtown high-rise development.

The contract, which took months to write, states that the land is worth $6.2 million. The city will give the developer the 12 acres of prime city property in exchange for $50,000, a library building and a guarantee that the housing will be a "workforce" level of affordable housing for 15 years.

Finally, the city could complete a deal to give Grey Development Corporation - the same company that is building the high-end "Grigio" rental complex on the north side of Tempe Town Lake - rights to build and operate the city's first light rail park and ride facility. Grey scored this land as part of a lawsuit settlement. Plans for the park and ride buildings were approved by the Development Review Commission last week and should be coming to the city council for a vote in the coming months.
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Old Posted May 30, 2007, 10:01 PM
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out of all the projects, that are going up, one of the most im excited about is actually the that long project along farmer with the library. it is such a unique piece of property and it may be one of the only ones I can afford to move into for now!!
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Old Posted May 31, 2007, 1:05 AM
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Where is the location of the proposed Grey Development park and ride lot?
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The Tempe Papago Gateway project is becoming pretty impressive. Anyone got any photos? I drive by it all the time, but I never carry a camera.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2007, 3:06 PM
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We recieved a little more news on the CVS Pharmacy.... I really wish they could have encorperated it into a mixed use project, maybe offices on top.

Also on Thursday, Tempe gave final approval to three prominent projects:

• The Pier at Tempe Town Lake, formerly called Pier 202. This $1 billion project sits on 27 acres of city-owned land that the Peabody Hotel failed to develop in the 1990s. The Pier includes condos, offices and shops. Tempe will sell the land — in stages — for $42.5 million.

• The Farmer Arts District, north of University Drive between the railroad tracks and Farmer Avenue. The city is selling this mostly unused land to a developer who will build condos, shops and the city’s first branch library.

• A CVS pharmacy on the southwest corner of Mill Avenue and University Drive. The brick building won’t resemble a typical suburban drugstore.

The pharmacy fills a big void for all the downtown workers and neighborhoods nearby who have to drive to a drugstore now, said Chris Salomone, Tempe’s community development manager.

The CVS will be the only store in the chain to have two entrances — one off a small parking lot and another on the street.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/90778
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Pier review: Developers ready to start 27-acre Tempe project
The Business Journal of Phoenix - June 1, 2007 by Jonathan J. Cooper The Business Journal

Eighteen months after being selected to develop 27 acres of city-owned land near Tempe Town Lake, a team of developers finally has the green light to proceed.

Plans call for 3.65 million square feet of mixed-use space spread over more than a dozen buildings near the Karsten Golf Course at Rural Road and Rio Salado Parkway. Nearly 1,500 condominium units are anticipated.

Tempe City Council members approved plans May 17 for The Pier at Town Lake, formerly known as Pier 202. The council was scheduled to endorse the $42.5 million land sale late May 31.

It's a significant step toward developing the land surrounding Tempe Town Lake, much of which has been underused since the lake was created in 1999.

The group of California developers, led by Brad Gorman of Laguna Pacific Properties and Michael Barker of Barker Pacific Group, is doing business as Pier 202 Tempe LLC.

With office, retail, residential and hotel components, the project will exceed the city's goals for the site, said Chris Salomone, Tempe's development services manager.

"That site was always considered a large mixed-use site," Salomone said.

Planners are finalizing infrastructure and utility designs, and construction crews should begin site preparations later this year.

The project, to be built in nine phases, is expected to cost more than $1 billion, Barker said.

A large plot of land gives the developers flexibility to tie a variety of complementary uses comfortably into a single project, he said.

"We have a very unique site, with as much lake frontage as the site gives us," Barker said. "We have a well-integrated master plan. That's, I think, what sets us apart."

Pier review: Developers ready to start 27-acre Tempe project
The Business Journal of Phoenix - June 1, 2007by Jonathan J. CooperThe Business Journal
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As proposed, the project includes 1,480 condominium units in four high-rise and six low-rise towers. Condo prices have not been set, nor has the brand name of the project's 285-room, four-star hotel.

Plans also call for 460,000 square feet of commercial space in two 10-story buildings.


The Class A office space will lease for $33 to $35 per square foot, said Don Arones, senior vice president of Grubb & Ellis/BRE Commercial.

Some Tempe business owners were concerned the project's 98,000 square feet of restaurant and retail space would steal customers from the Mill Avenue District to the west, or from Tempe Marketplace to the east.

But Salomone said the Pier project addresses those issues by catering to more upscale tenants. Brokers will go after boutique restaurants and clothing stores, with a focus on local brands. It will mimic the feel of the Kierland Commons retail area in Scottsdale, Arones said.

Retail lease rates have not yet been set.

Developers have been working with Tempe officials for about a year and a half. City staff entered exclusive negotiations with Pier 202 in early 2006 after the group's $42.5 million bid beat out proposals from nine other developers.

Plans for a Peabody Hotel at the site fell through in 2001. Tempe officials have said the Peabody deal would have cost the city roughly $70 million in incentives.

Tempe Mayor Hugh Hallman has said the Pier project is a better deal for taxpayers, allowing the city to bring in money instead of shell out incentives after already making a substantial public investment in the lake infrastructure.

After the Peabody deal collapsed, council members sought proposals that didn't rely on incentives.

"Ultimately, Pier 202 was the successful bidder in that process and is delivering cash back to the community that will not only help us operate the lake, but will give us funds to reinvest in our neighborhood parks," Hallman said.

The Pier project is just one of about a half-dozen mixed-use projects planned or under construction on the Town Lake shore. A handful of other projects will be set back farther from the lake in the downtown area.


In all, 5,000 new residential units are planned. Half of them are either under construction or about to break ground, according to city staff.

"Are we going to take a sledgehammer to open up a walnut?" said Jay Butler, director of realty studies at Arizona State University's Polytechnic campus. "Are we going to overwhelm the market? Even though (developers) won't admit it, that concerns (them)."

How the real estate market reacts to the influx of units and whether sales are brisk will affect the success of the Pier and other projects, Butler said.

But with convenient freeways, a nearby light rail line and easy walking access to local amenities, the area has significant potential -- particularly if gas prices continue to climb, he said.

Details of another planned lakeside project, a joint venture between Arizona State University and SunCor Development Co., were released in late May.

That project, known as Marina Heights, has drawn concern from US Airways Group Inc., which has asked for a Federal Aviation Administration review of the proposed building heights.

The Pier at Town Lake project won't face that kind of concern, Barker said, because the site already has earned FAA approval for buildings up to 300 feet tall, capping the structures at about 22 stories.

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Old Posted Jun 1, 2007, 7:48 PM
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I'm getting tired of all the approvals, I want some ground breaking ceremonies!

I did get an email announcement from Stadium Towers that said they sold 122 units in 8 hours at there opening ceremony. If it's true, those are pretty good numbers.
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And finally.... the news you all have been waiting to hear....

Tempe's tallest building topped off
Katie Nelson
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Jun. 1, 2007 02:18 PM

Centerpoint Condominium's first tower has been visible on Tempe's skyline for months, but now the growth spurt is complete.

The roof on the 22-story building was finished Friday.

The top floor is a penthouse with three elevators and sweeping Valley views. The building is the tallest in Tempe, at 258 feet.

There is still months of work ahead to complete the tower. Workers will spend the summer "wrapping" the building in green-tinted glass, said Andrea Kalmanovitz, a spokeswoman for the Avenue Communities development company.

The glass should be in place by September, she said.

The condo tower is intended to be one of four buildings slated to be part of Centerpoint. The other three buildings have approval from the city to reach 30 stories.

The second building is also in the works and should be "topped off" in December, Kalmanovitz said.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2007, 10:20 PM
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The 2nd tower topped off in December! Nice.
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Stadium Towers now has a sign up as well. The old armory was torn down months ago, but the lot is still a mess with asphalt and concrete so I'm not sure how close they are to breaking ground.
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Does anyone know what's going on with the project that's supposed to go where the Arches was? I forget the name, haven't heard anything about it in months.
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