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Old Posted May 4, 2007, 6:37 AM
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I believe both Burlington and Plattsburg airports have been trying to market themselves as the "American gateways for Montreal" for quite some time already. As already mentioned, Burlington already has its established flights, while Plattsburg seems to be not moving ahead too much yet. With airlines like JetBlue, Southwest and such, I think it's very possible to offer highly attractive US air fares for Montrealers and southern Quebecers to divert to Burlington and/or Plattsburg. Though a major component I see as very important in bringing more people to them is probably transportation. I know most are likely to drive themselves down there, but could it be a plus if they could offer some kind of direct shuttle service between the Montreal region for those who don't drive or don't want to drive all the way?
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Old Posted May 4, 2007, 6:41 AM
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By the way, anyone knows if the plans to take down the cargo/warehouse/hangars area in front of the US/International jetties are on the track or are they more focusing now on the construction of the hotel/US departures hall?
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Airport firms create jobs for 56,000
$4.4 Billion generated: study. Pierre Elliott Trudeau and Mirabel still struggling to stay out of the red
ALLISON LAMPERT, The Gazette
Published: Friday, May 04, 2007
Companies operating at the Montreal region's two major airports create 56,000 direct and indirect jobs, a study made public yesterday by the Aeroports de Montreal said.

The 300 companies operating at Pierre Elliott Trudeau and Mirabel airports generate $4.4 billion, or 4.7 per cent of greater Montreal's GDP. They employ about 29,000 people, the study said.

The study's results were revealed by ADM directors during the airport authority's annual general meeting. The ADM is the non-profit body that manages Trudeau and Mirabel airports.

While passenger traffic and revenues are up, the airports are still struggling to stay out of the red.

"We ended the quarter breaking even," CEO James Cherry said.

And aircraft movements, which measure takeoffs and landings, dropped by 20 per cent at Mirabel during the first quarter of 2007, compared with the corresponding period a year ago.

Passenger traffic at Trudeau grew by 8.5 per cent in the first quarter of 2007, to more than 3 million, with international traffic rising by 12.5 per cent.

Revenues were $77 million, an increase of 10.5 per cent from the year-ago period. Total expenses grew to $77.1 million, up $1 million from the first quarter of 2006.

At the meeting yesterday, angry residents from Cartierville complained they are still disturbed by noise from flights scheduled late at night and early in the morning.

Another group contested the ADM's imminent plans to move hangars and aircraft-maintenance shops located west of the tarmac at Trudeau airport to land now used by a Dorval golf course.

Cherry said the airport needs to convert the southern section of the 36-hole golf course, which had been leased to the city of Dorval with the understanding it could be reclaimed for the airport's use.

The northern section will remain an 18-hole golf course.

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Old Posted May 4, 2007, 11:02 AM
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St. Hubert cries mayday

Airport upgrades. Urgent plea for $70 million from Ottawa hits turbulence
Allison Lampert, The Gazette
Published: Friday, May 04, 2007
Managers of Canada's oldest airport are urging an immediate deal with the federal government to kick-start a $300-million revival of the South Shore facility.

Money-losing Aeroport de Saint-Hubert needs $70 million from Ottawa to repair its runways. If it doesn't get it, the airport risks losing an expansion plan by Pratt & Whitney Canada to a U.S. rival, said Jacques Malenfant, manager of the Developpement Aeroport Saint-Hubert de Longueuil.

Pratt & Whitney could move its engine testing operations to a newly upgraded Plattsburgh airport, he said. That would deprive St. Hubert of up to 150 new high-paying jobs and millions of dollars in landing fees and rent.

"If the federal government gives us the money, we are ready to go," Malenfant said. "Just the Pratt & Whitney project would make St. Hubert profitable."

Besides using federal money to renovate and extend the airport's largest runway, the proposal calls for investments by the city of Longueuil, the provincial government and private investors. The plan would create a new hangar for Pratt, new taxiways, a small terminal to receive passengers and a facility to de-ice planes.

In return, Pratt would spend millions on the expansion, including rent for the hangar and higher landing fees. It costs $10 to land a tiny Cessna at the airport, compared with $2,000 for a 747.

But the head of Aeroports de Montreal - the body that oversees Mirabel and Trudeau airports - questions whether public money should be spent on infrastructure for a third regional airport.

"After having just resolved the issue of the duality of airports between Dorval and Mirabel, do we really want to embark on this again?" James Cherry asked in an interview. "I just look at this and I question, is this the best use of the public's money?

"Especially at this stage, when we have under-utilized runways (at Mirabel) 30 miles north of the city."

Cherry also questioned how the government could give money to St. Hubert when it not only doesn't fund the ADM's capital projects, but charges the airports rent: "Here we're paying rent to the government of Canada at the same time that they're giving money to other airports - there's some lack of logic there."

Despite lobbying by the Bloc Quebecois, St. Hubert had its initial request rejected by Ottawa.

Jean-Pierre Blackburn, minister of economic development for Quebec regions, said the St. Hubert plan was too expensive for his department.

Malenfant now is trying to get money from Transport Minister Lawrence Cannon.

Besides sparking debate over the role of public money in Canada's airports, the proposal is raising questions over the line between government spending and job creation.

"Anything that could add jobs to Montreal, we salute," said a spokesperson for Public Works Minister Michael Fortier. "But the money they're asking for and the number of jobs has to make political and economic sense."

Malenfant insists that St. Hubert's plan is about St. Hubert, not Pratt & Whitney, which makes jet engines. The proposal has support from the city of Longueuil, which is prepared to invest $25 million.

"The project would have spinoffs for all the industry nearby," said Jacques Goyette, vice-president of Longueuil's executive committee. "And we could attract more corporate business."

At present, the airport depends largely on a pilot training school, owners of small private planes and chartered flights by professional sports teams. The airport has no terminal nor the ability to de-ice planes. As such, it lacks the infrastructure needed to be profitable, Goyette said.

A Pratt spokesperson said the company supports the plan by Developpement Aeroport Saint- Hubert de Longueuil but she wouldn't elaborate on a possible move to Plattsburgh.

"It will have a lot of benefit for St. Hubert and businesses in the area," Pratt spokesperson Annick Laberge said.

Pratt has almost 1,000 workers at its St. Hubert facility, located on its own land near the airport runways. More than 100 workers test Pratt engines in functioning aircraft, Malenfant said.

Pratt & Whitney Canada has only two such facilities - the one in St. Hubert and one near Plattsburgh International Airport, which has a 3,650-metre runway. Pratt wants the St. Hubert runway extended from 2,390 metres to 2,740 metres so it can safely test its larger engines in a Boeing 747.

Pratt has said privately it is thinking of consolidating its engine testing in Plattsburgh, which could cost St. Hubert at least 100 jobs, Malenfant said.

It is money the airport badly needs, even though DASH-L has reduced the airport's debt from $1.3 million in 2004 to $500,000 in the last fiscal year.

Malenfant pointed out that while the ADM doesn't get capital funding now, the government spent millions to build Montreal's two major airports.

"Mr. Cherry doesn't need government support," he said. "They had lots of government subsidies to build their terminals and their runways."

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The planned money sources

Federal: $70 million

Provincial: $18 million

City of Longueuil:

$25 million

Pratt & Whitney Corp.:

$130 million (initial year, with $18 million for additional years)

Public-private partnership

(consortium including airport administrators, provincial government and private investors)

Other unnamed investors: Will contribute remaining $67 million needed for project

Plans include:

- Renovating the three aging runways

- Extending the largest runway from 2,390 to 2.740

metres in length and by 60 metres wide.

- Building a small terminal to accommodate 300 to 400 passengers

- Build new hangar to be leased by Pratt & Whitney Canada for its engine-testing work

- Pratt will invest in buying its own tools and equipment to consolidate engine-testing sites and will spend more to rent extra space at the airport and will pay higher landing fees than what they pay now.

- Build a station to de-ice planes

- Build two facilities, one for

pilots and one for maintenance crews
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It all began with airships
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Published: Friday, May 04, 2007
St. Hubert is Canada's first civil airport, built by the Department of National Defence to receive Britain's R-100 airships, then seen as the future of aviation.

November 1927. Though still under construction, St. Hubert Airport welcomes its first airplane, one from Rimouski carrying mail that had crossed the Atlantic by ship.

Oct. 1, 1928. International airmail service between Montreal (St. Hubert) and Albany. N.Y., begins.

Oct. 5, 1930. The R-101, the

R-100's sister ship, crashes in France killing 46 people. Britain abandons the idea of an Empire Airship Service.

1938. The airship mooring mast at St. Hubert is taken down.

April 13, 1939. Canada's first control tower begins operations at St. Hubert airport.

Sept 2, 1941. Dorval airport opens, becoming Montreal's main airport and Canada's biggest. St. Hubert is used for the training of Royal Canadian Air Force pilots and officially closed to civil traffic.

1948 to 1954. The airport is a Royal Canadian Air Force base and Canadian headquarters for the North American Aerospace Defence Command.

1967. During Expo 67, St. Hubert is opened to private aircraft visiting the fair.

Oct. 1, 1968. St. Hubert becomes a civil airport again to relieve congestion at Dorval.

Oct. 18, 1970. The body of Quebec Labour Minister Pierre Laporte is found the trunk of a car parked behind a hangar at the airport. He had been kidnapped and killed by the Front de liberation du Quebec.

1972. The Ecole nationale d'aerotechnique, which teaches aircraft maintenance, moves from Dorval to St. Hubert.

1993. The Canadian Space Agency moves from Ottawa to St. Hubert, after much controversy. (Many anglophones had not wanted to leave Ottawa. Montreal Mayor Jean Dore wanted it to be built downtown, while St. Laurent Mayor Marcel Laurin wanted it built in his city.)

Feb. 27, 1995. Federal Finance Minister Paul Martin announces defence budget cuts that will see the St. Hubert army base close in 1997.

June 1, 2003. The airport celebrates its 75th anniversary.

June 10, 2004. Transport Canada agrees to hand over the airport to a development arm of the Longueuil borough by the end of the summer.
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Avant de trop s'énerver pour Plattsburgh, il faut dire qu'aucune compagnie aérienne majeure s'est montrée intéressée à ce jour...suffit de chercher un peu dans google et de voir que l'aéroport n'a pas de transporteurs et qu'ils en recherchent.

Personnellement, je prends l'avion de Burlington au Vermont. 1:30 de Montréal, l'aéroport est super petit et convivial, le parking est drette en face de la porte principle à pieds, les vols sont pas chers et surtout les tarifs sont très bas. Jet Blue offre des vols pour un peu partout aux États-Unis pour 200$ allez-retour avec tv individuelles et sièges en cuir et de l'espace pour les jambes comme si on était en première classe presque ! (entre 36"et 34" de pitch). J'ai booké un allez-retour Burlington-Orlando(en transitant par JFK) pour 235$Us taxes comprises.

Partir de PET ? J'ai eu un billet gratuit avec mes aéroplans pour Montreal-Chicago (allez-retour) et les taxes à elles seules sont montés a 140$ Canadiens! C'est vraiment ridicule comme prix !

Bref, si Plattsburgh attire Skybus(nouveaux low cost avec vols a 10$), Jetblue et autres low-cost, il en voudra encore plus le détour! Surtout avec le stationnement gratuit...
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Partir de PET ? J'ai eu un billet gratuit avec mes aéroplans pour Montreal-Chicago (allez-retour) et les taxes à elles seules sont montés a 140$ Canadiens! C'est vraiment ridicule comme prix !

Bref, si Plattsburgh attire Skybus(nouveaux low cost avec vols a 10$), Jetblue et autres low-cost, il en voudra encore plus le détour! Surtout avec le stationnement gratuit...
Me semble que le probleme pour le transport aerien canadien c'est la reglementation qui protege le monopole d'Air Canada. Si la restriction qui empeche les compagnies aeriennes etrangeres de faire du service point a point entre destinations canadienne etait levee, il y aurait plus de competition et les prix baisseraient. Ca serait bon pour Montreal...
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Me semble que le probleme pour le transport aerien canadien c'est la reglementation qui protege le monopole d'Air Canada. Si la restriction qui empeche les compagnies aeriennes etrangeres de faire du service point a point entre destinations canadienne etait levee, il y aurait plus de competition et les prix baisseraient. Ca serait bon pour Montreal...
il y a des vols pas si cher, mais les taxes bordel

il y a une couple de semaine, aircanada et westjet offraient des vols montreal-toronto a 11$ allez simple, avec aircanada, si tu enlevais ton droit de modifier ton vol, et pas de bagages enregistré, le vol en tant que tel revenait a -1$ oui tu volais pour gratuit, mais apres cela, tu te ramassais avec 90$ de taxes d'aeroport, de frais de nav canada, taxes sur la securité... juste d'enlever les frais de nav canada et de securité ferait economiser 40$ pour un vol mtl-tor

et c'est sur qu'un peu de competition aiderais, mais serait-ils vraiment moins cher que AC ou Westjet coté prix du billet (sans faire de dumping comme feu jetsgo faisait)
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Even better GS MTL, a 737 from KLM from Schipol to George Bush airport!
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Oh yeah, and Chris, it's not impossible, the callsign is Swiss18...
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And to GS MTL, the callsign of KLM is 662...
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??? im sorry but i dont understand what ur saying....
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I was refering to your comment that a 737 from jfk to zurich flown by Swiss is a joke... well no.. the aircraft`s call sign is Swiss 18 and if you go on flight tracker websites you can see him everyday around noon. Same goes for KLM`s 737 from Amsterdam to Houston, the aircraft`s call sign (or flight number) is KLM663 coming towards Houston.
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Detailed Flight Information:
Klm Royal Dutch Airlines Flight 663 to Houston, TX
(IAH-George Bush Intercontinental Airport)

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Klm Royal Dutch Airlines flight 663
Airline Klm Royal Dutch Airlines
Flight Number 663
Departure City (Airport) Amsterdam, Netherlands (EHAM)
Departure Time 05/06/2007 02:50 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Houston, TX (IAH)
Arrival Time 05/06/2007 05:43 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:46
Aircraft Type Boeing 737-700
Current Altitude 38,000 feet
Current Groundspeed 511 mph
Flight Status In Flight
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Thank you hockey rules!
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So Air Canada will get his first Boeing 777-200lr in June right?
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wow!! thats amazing! i never knew they would use a 737 across the atlantic
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klm662 is a 747 houston-amsterdam and they also us klm664 737-700 houston amsterdam
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humm very funny tho.....swiss airlines doesnt own any 737's and KLM doesnt own any 737-700 so how is this possible then?
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humm very funny tho.....swiss airlines doesnt own any 737's and KLM doesnt own any 737-700 so how is this possible then?
KLM has boeing 737-700.
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