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Old Posted May 2, 2007, 9:44 PM
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Now we know much better why that huge development (and possible "westside" Walmart) won't happen...

It would have been a tremendous boost to westside/southside development.




May 2, 2007

Hyundai's neighbor gives up on land development plan

By Paul W. Sullivan

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In a month, Jim Scoma will auction off more than 150 acres that have been in his family for almost 100 years. He's giving up his dream for the land straight across from the Hyundai plant.

He's finished trying to develop pastureland south of Hyundai Boulevard, finished trying to bring progress to his part of the world.

The city and Hyundai Motor Manufacturing Alabama itself have frustrated the retired Delta Airlines internal auditor long enough.

A decade or so ago, Scoma thought progress was being made when city planners started contacting him about putting utilities and fire hydrants in the area. He felt "doubly blessed" years later when Hyundai decided to build a plant on what was then Teague Road and is now Hyundai Boulevard.

Now, the Fayette County, Ga., resident sees Hyundai as an unwelcome neighbor. It was the South Korean car maker, he insists, that kept the utilities on its side -- the north side -- of the road, on 35 to 40 feet of right-of-way that he donated for the "cause of Hyundai."

And it was Hyundai, Scoma is sure, that kept the city from granting his request to rezone his land for retail, commercial and residential uses.

"We cooperated with Hyundai," said Scoma, 64. "My family and I have always treated others like we would want to be treated, or even better."

Hyundai adamantly denies Scoma's claim.

"Rezoning decisions are within the purview of the city planning commission," media specialist Paul Dunbar wrote in an e-mail. "They have held public hearings and HMMA has spoken our opinions based on the developer's proposal. We are awaiting a proposed master plan for the development of the entire area."

Mayor Bobby Bright sides with Hyundai. The city denied Scoma's rezoning request because mixed development isn't the best use for the property.

"You have a truck pulling in Hyundai about every minute," Bright said. "We want to develop that area, but do we want to put housing right across the street?"

Scoma started thinking seriously about development six years ago. It was then that the city came calling, seeking an additional source of water since the Scoma land sits on an aquifer. The city dug five wells and put in water mains. He thought that for sure would trigger development.

"For the water and the wells, we pretty much gave that land away," Scoma said. "As a result we told ourselves we are going to be able to develop lots."

Then came Hyundai. Scoma found a developer who wanted to build 1,400 homes, put in a shopping center and motel space. Then, poof, the contractor lost interest.

Along came another contractor, and Scoma conducted traffic impact studies along Hyundai Road. The cost of the studies: $15,000.

The city and Scoma were getting along to this point. City traffic engineer Bubba Bowden said Scoma's group had agreed to do everything the city asked. Scoma said the contractor was communicating with the planning commission.

Then, Scoma said, Hyundai weighed in against any development on the south side of Hyundai Boulevard.

Lawrence "Buck" Roll agrees with Scoma's assessment of Hyundai's position. He and Waylon Price co-own Price and Roll Cattle Co. across from the plant.

Roll said he initially thought Hyundai would want the cattle business gone to make way for development. At the planning commission meetings, though, he heard a plant representative clearly state the company didn't want development south of Hyundai Boulevard.

Roll said he once had a developer interested in his property but "threw in the towel." He doesn't have any regrets with his decision and is happy running his business.

Now, the city is preparing a land-use study for its fastest-growing parts. One part is the land near Hyundai, including Scoma's tract, said planning chief Ken Groves.

Despite his decision to sell, Scoma has a development plan that the City Council has never acted on. It's been tabled three times. And the council won't make a decision until it receives the land-use study, which Groves estimates won't be done for a couple of months.

Scoma doesn't want to wait anymore on studies.

"I'm sick and tired of fooling with it," Scoma said. "We tried to satisfy Montgomery, Hyundai and everybody all along, anything we could possibly do."

Scoma got the development plan to the council on his own. He needed five of the nine members of the Planning Commission to recommend it to the council. He got only three votes.

He appealed the decision. The plan was introduced to the council in early September. It comes up again on June 5, the day before the auction.

City Council President Charles Jinright said the city will allow development around Hyundai but must plan for it. Some cities, he pointed out, have encountered trouble with "spot zoning," which would allow a manufacturing plant next to a home.

For his part, Scoma is looking forward to the auction just to bring the story to a close.

"I thought Montgomery would be more than receptive to my ideas," Scoma said. "I came back over here completely embarrassed with Montgomery and the attitude they showed in this."
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Warehouse retailer coming to EastChase

By Cosby Woodruff
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Costco Wholesale will open its first store in Montgomery this fall at EastChase Market Place, and will employ up to 200 people.

The Montgomery store will be the membership warehouse sales company's third in Alabama. The Issaquah, Wash.-based company plans to break ground on the 148,000-square-
foot Montgomery store May 15.

Costco sells national brand items and its own store brand, Kirkland Signature, in many departments.

A basic Costco membership, which is good for one year, costs $50 and may be purchased at any store or online.

"The addition of Costco to EastChase and the Montgomery market is a plus for retail," said Will Wilson, president of Jim Wilson & Associates.

"Costco's warehouses present one of the largest and most exclusive product selections found under one roof, and we are pleased to have them at EastChase."

The company, founded in 1983, has 508 warehouses, including 374 in the United States and Puerto Rico. It employs 86,900 people and has 46.4 million cardholders and revenues of $51.9 billion last year.

The company's other Alabama stores are in Hoover and Huntsville.

Costco limits its selections to about 4,000 items per store, compared to 100,000 at some other stores. Costco's items range from a hotdog and drink combo that costs $1.50 to a $252,000 necklace.

The wholesaler sells products in groceries, flowers, clothing, books, software, home electronics, jewelry, art, hot tubs and home furnishings.

Services include a tire center, pharmacy, hearing aid centers, optometrists, photo processors and gas stations.

Kay Yarbrough, spokeswoman for Jim Wilson & Associates, compared Costco to a more selective Sam's Club.

"It will be a very complimentary addition," she said.

She said her company soon may be announcing more tenants for the third phase of the 330-acre EastChase development.

"We have about five to seven mid-box retailers that are slated for the center," she said. "They are new to the market."

Market Place is under construction near the Hampton Inn & Suites on Eastchase Parkway. The Costco store will be at the opposite end of the development from the Hampton Inn.

Market Place will have about 500,000 square feet of retail space and will bring the EastChase total to near 1.3 million square feet.
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Upscale eastside development attracts interest


Lots for a new gated community in east Montgomery will not be available for sale for months, but buyers attracted to the promise of increased security and privacy are lining up to purchase them, the developer said.

They'll pay a premium price to live in the exclusive neighborhood -- up to a quarter of a million dollars per home site.

Groundbreaking has started in Waterford Park, located on the south side of Vaughn Road just west of the main entrance to the Wynlakes subdivision. The exclusive 50-home neighborhood will have around-the-clock security and private streets, said Grant Sullivan, a Montgomery Realtor.

"We are developing the finest gated community that has ever been built in Montgomery," said Sullivan, who will sell the lots to individuals and builders.

"We felt like people in Montgomery want to live in a neighborhood where privacy and security is important," Sullivan said.

The attention to security will separate the neighborhood from all others, he said.

Guards will stop all vehicles at the gate. Those who aren't residents will be asked what business they have in the neighborhood and which residents they are visiting.

Controlling traffic will be easy since the entranceway and all streets inside the development will be private, Sullivan said. They will be maintained either by the homeowners association or the developer, Sullivan said.

Design plans call for a large lake in the middle of the development and a smaller lake near the front gate.

Landscaping of common areas will cost more than $1 million, Sullivan said.

Demand for the homes has surprised Sullivan. He's received more than 45 calls from interested buyers, as well as e-mails. One man from Destin, Fla., offered to give Sullivan a check for one lot. Sullivan had to tell him no. He won't put the lots up for sale until summer.

Each lot will cost from $200,000 to $250,000, Sullivan said. The homes will range in size from 3,500 to 7,000 square feet and cost from $750,000 to $1.5 million.
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Old Posted May 3, 2007, 2:09 PM
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Guys... I really feel for the "Westside" not having much economic development, homes being built, and the like, but this comment on MontgomeryAdvertiser.com about the above article is nonsense. There is a reason 1.5 million dollar homes are not going up behind the Church's Chicken on the West-South Blvd......



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Hey, why was not this development put on the West side of Montgomery?

We need the economic impact and some nice homes over here......
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What's the future of Jubilee?

By Rick Harmon


The city of Montgomery wants to continue to support Jubilee CityFest but might have to see changes made in the weekend music festival if it lost money this year, Mayor Bobby Bright said.

At his weekly news conference Friday, Bright said he expects to get Jubilee numbers in the next week or so. He'll assess the city's support after seeing the details. Festival organizers are still collecting ticket information but hope to know the numbers by Thursday.

"It lost money last year, a significant amount of money," Bright said. "But Jubilee had the reserves to cover it. I don't know what the results will be this year. My hope would be that it would at least break even."

Bright wants to see Jubilee stay downtown, even if it lost money this year. The festival -- held last weekend -- was shortened from three days to two this year.

"I think it has been good for our downtown," the mayor said. "For a number of years it wasn't just the main event, but the only event that we had going on downtown.

"But as things change, you have to keep coming up with new ideas to keep attracting people to events like this."

A financial loss, though, may mean it's time to rethink how Jubilee is structured, Bright said. In the past, Bright said he suggested that a better format might be for Jubilee to become a series of concerts held throughout the spring and summer.

"When Jubilee started we really had no downtown stages so it made sense to have an event where we had to put up really expensive stages," he said. "Now we have the riverfront stage that can hold thousands of people, so I think the time where we have to build stages may be over. It may be time to use the venues we have and spread out the events."

Jubilee isn't afraid of change, said Marianne McLeod, the festival's executive director.

McLeod described the festival as "an evolution" that has grown with Montgomery's downtown. It started as a small arts festival called Jubilee and now is a huge musical festival, Jubilee CityFest.

"We will just have to see where it goes from here," she said.

Other points the mayor made:

# A new memorial dedicated to police and firefighters is under consideration. If the idea comes to fruition, it would create a "greenspace" in the downtown area.

# Also under consideration is a suggestion by Councilman Willie Cook that cameras be mounted on electric shock devices carried by police officers. A demonstration wasn't effective so the city opted against the equipment, though money had been allocated in the 2007 budget. The vendor will get another chance to demonstrate the cameras are viable "because it is another way to ensure that citizens are treated properly and to show that we won't tolerate them being abused in our city," Bright said.

# Whatever the ruling in a lawsuit involving discretionary funds filed by the City Council against the mayor's office, Bright expects the losing side to appeal. The council contends Bright exceeded his authority by vetoing a budget that included discretionary funds for council members to spend in their districts.
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^^That's it? Where are all the skyscraper developments and stuff?
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Where are all the skyscraper developments and stuff?
Not in Greenville?
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^^Yes, there are skyscrapers proposed for Greenville. Are there any for Montgomery though?
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^^Yes, there are skyscrapers proposed for Greenville. Are there any for Montgomery though?
Your opinion of skyscrapers seems to be 10-15 story buildings...... so yeh I'd say there are skyscrapers going up in Montgomery as well. Are you almost done? Making your point that is........
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^^Yes, there are skyscrapers proposed for Greenville. Are there any for Montgomery though?
Clemson Tigers? HA.

Everyone knows ya'll are just clones of the great Auburn Tigers.

-We're both Land Grant colleges
-We're both located north of I-85
-We're both located near the GA border
-We're both at least 45 mins to an hour from the nearest major city
-We both have the Tiger as our mascot
-We both have football coaches named Tommy
-We both either have or have had a Bowden as football coach
-We both have a famous bar on the outskirts of town(Esso Club for Clemson, War Eagle Supper Club for Auburn).
-We both have a defining building on campus that we use to symbolize the school as a whole(Hardin Hall at Clemson, Samford Hall at Auburn)
-We both have our roots as all-male military schools.
-Clemson has its Clemson Ice Cream and Blue Cheese, Auburn has its Toomer's Drug Store Lemonade.

And you know, I can actually keep going too. So you all can see now, there's a reason we at Auburn call Clemson "Auburn on a Lake".
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Your opinion of skyscrapers seems to be 10-15 story buildings...... so yeh I'd say there are skyscrapers going up in Montgomery as well. Are you almost done? Making your point that is........
Any renderings? Skyscrapers are buildings considered 8 stories tall or taller.
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Clemson Tigers? HA.

Everyone knows ya'll are just clones of the great Auburn Tigers.

-We're both Land Grant colleges
-We're both located north of I-85
-We're both located near the GA border
-We're both at least 45 mins to an hour from the nearest major city
-We both have the Tiger as our mascot
-We both have football coaches named Tommy
-We both either have or have had a Bowden as football coach
-We both have a famous bar on the outskirts of town(Esso Club for Clemson, War Eagle Supper Club for Auburn).
-We both have a defining building on campus that we use to symbolize the school as a whole(Hardin Hall at Clemson, Samford Hall at Auburn)
-We both have our roots as all-male military schools.
-Clemson has its Clemson Ice Cream and Blue Cheese, Auburn has its Toomer's Drug Store Lemonade.

And you know, I can actually keep going too. So you all can see now, there's a reason we at Auburn call Clemson "Auburn on a Lake".
Thank you captain obvious.
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Thank you captain obvious.
Well, you'd be surprised how few from your school truly realize that you guys do a good job of imitating us.

After all, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery so I guess we on the Plains should be so glad that we're good enough that you modeled yourselves on us.

Oh yeah, didn't Heisman coach at Auburn and Clemson?
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^^Ok. We imitate you. Happy now? You're going all crazy over what my signature says, which is odd. I like Clemson and you like Auburn. So what? Everybody has their opinions and they're entitled to them. Back to what this thread is supposed to be about.
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All I asked was to see some renderings of the skyscrapers going up in Montgomery. Why is everybody getting pissed over that?
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Any renderings? Skyscrapers are buildings considered 8 stories tall or taller.
The Renaissance brand hotel and RSA HQ are under construction....... not just proposals.
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^^Thank you. I didn't realize it was that hard to answer one question without getting in a pissy mood over what my signature says or what is considered to be a skyscraper.
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I like Clemson and you like Auburn. So what? Everybody has their opinions and they're entitled to them. Back to what this thread is supposed to be about.
Thank you for clearing this up for all of us. You just made the perfect point on why your post in this thread are needless.
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^^You're welcome even though i'm not the one who started the clemson vs. auburn debate. I'm the one trying to get rid of it. What is with you guys? Have a bad night or something? Jeez.
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^^You're welcome even though i'm not the one who started the clemson vs. auburn debate. I'm the one trying to get rid of it. What is with you guys? Have a bad night or something? Jeez.
Alright, let's take it to a seperate place. I just posted the thread over on SECtalk.com. There's a huge base of Gamecock fans on there and it certainly would make things interesting if one Clemson Tiger decided to go over and post.

www.SECtalk.com and like I said, you'll like it just because it's futile ground for you to go in and start talking smack with those 'Cocks that feel they have free reign since you're in the ACC and wouldn't have any reason to engage.
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