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Old Posted Apr 29, 2007, 3:47 AM
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Where are you hearing that from, because I'm hearing no, absolutely not. no chance at all of there being an outdoor observation deck. Because that is where all the transmission equipment will be, along with the ring to hide them all. with the original twins, with two towers, tower 1 had all that necessary stuff, while tower 2 had the outdoor deck. With one tower, one thing had to go, and the outdoor deck went.
I agree: everything I've heard has been that, officially, there will be no outdoor deck (for the reasons you just listed). If somehow that changes, I'd be thrilled, but I've already accepted that it ain't gonna happen.
     
     
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Why dose the tower have so many Mechanical Floors?

I mean the tower has 108 Floors.

2 is for Lobby/Skylobby
18 of them are for the Base.
15 of them are Mechanical Floors, 15!?

The rest is for Offices and Public Space.

Why 15?

Oh and will the Freedom Tower have an observation DECK on the top?
     
     
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observation. on the top. not outdoors on the 101-102 floors
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Why dose the tower have so many Mechanical Floors?

I mean the tower has 108 Floors.

2 is for Lobby/Skylobby
18 of them are for the Base.
15 of them are Mechanical Floors, 15!?

The rest is for Offices and Public Space.

Why 15?

Oh and will the Freedom Tower have an observation DECK on the top?
Because David Child's was clever, he was directed by Silverstein to only include around 70 floors for office space, all the arguably wasted space gives us a building with the same roof height as the original WTC.
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2007, 7:57 AM
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Because David Child's was clever, he was directed by Silverstein to only include around 70 floors for office space, all the arguably wasted space gives us a building with the same roof height as the original WTC.
Pretty much the number of floors "suggested" by the site plan. It was gonna give us a roof height of around 1,150 ft. Then the tower had to be redesigned, the "bunker" added to the base gave the tower a little life. Childs always wanted to mark the height of the twins (with an elevator that paused at the originals' heights on the way up to an observation deck), so he was able to do it literally with the added height.
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Freedom Tower a coup for company
Design - Architects say Benson Industries is in a class by itself on creating high-rise exteriors


Saturday, April 28, 2007J
ONATHAN BRINCKMAN and RANDY GRAGG

The announcement Friday by Benson Industries -- of a $160.65 million contract to build and install the windows of New York City's Freedom Tower -- comes after a long and convoluted journey for the company.

The deal was worth the wait. The job, on what will become one of the world's most prominent buildings, will be a showcase for a company already known in development circles for its skilled glass work.

Benson submitted its first proposal for the job in August 2004, just shy of three years after terrorists destroyed the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Then, after a cornerstone was laid in 2004, the proposed tower was relocated.

The first tower design looked great, soaring with a dramatic twist. But it didn't include enough square feet to make it affordable.

At 1,776 feet, the redesigned Freedom Tower, including an antenna, will be the tallest building in North America. Its 103 floors are fewer than the 110 in Chicago's Sears Tower. But that building is 1,450 feet tall, 1,725 to the top of its tallest antenna.

Then came a new financial problem: New York developer Larry Silverstein had the right to build five office towers at the destroyed World Trade Center complex. But Silverstein couldn't afford to build all the replacement buildings quickly enough to satisfy The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the land.

The authority and Silverstein struck a deal about a year ago that made the public agency the developer. Benson submitted a revised bid last fall, and the authority's commissioners granted the contract on Wednesday.

"It's been thorough and extensive process," Lou Niles, Benson's president and majority owner, said Friday.

Benson, which has done the exteriors for high-rise buildings around the globe, is ready for this job, said Robert Thompson of TVA Architects, who has worked with the company on projects in Portland.

"Benson operates in their own world. They are unparalleled by any other glazing contractor. From the standpoint of innovation -- look, the feel, the ideas -- they understand how to put a system together," he said.

"They bring such solid research to every project," said John Meadows of Boora Architects who worked with Benson in the Pearl District. "Portland is incredibly fortunate to have their knowledge base here.

"The upside of the Freedom Tower contract is that it (Benson) will be even more amazing. The downside is that not every project can afford them."

Benson's job will be to install about a million square feet of exterior glass that is specially designed to minimize the impact of a terrorist attack, said John Beaulieu, the company's estimating manager.

"The building is designed to withstand any type of attack so we don't have a repeat of what happened," Beaulieu said.
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Benson Industries wins Freedom Tower contract

Portland Business Journal
Friday, April 27, 2007

A Portland-based manufacturer will play a major role in the redevelopment of New York's Ground Zero.

Benson Industries Inc. has been awarded a $160.65 million contract by the site's owner, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, to manufacture and install the facade for the new 100-plus story Freedom Tower, which will stand a very patriotic 1,776 feet when complete.

Formed in 1926, employee-owned Benson Industries has specialized in curtainwalls for major high rise buildings since 1980. A curtainwall is the exterior skin of a building and is typically constructed of glass and steel, but does not bear the weight of the building.

Benson clients include Gerding/Edlen Development Co. LLC, which has used Benson-built wall systems on many of its projects. The New York Times Tower is another example of its work.

John Beaulieu, estimating manager for Benson Industries LLC, said the Freedom Tower will have more than a million square feet of surface area. The wall systems will be assembled in its Gresham plant from materials sourced globally.

Benson expects to start installing the curtainwall in the third quarter of 2009, with construction of the tower taking two to two and a half years.

Freedom Tower is to be the centerpiece of the World Trade Center site in lower Manhattan.
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Where are you hearing that from, because I'm hearing no, absolutely not. no chance at all of there being an outdoor observation deck. Because that is where all the transmission equipment will be, along with the ring to hide them all. with the original twins, with two towers, tower 1 had all that necessary stuff, while tower 2 had the outdoor deck. With one tower, one thing had to go, and the outdoor deck went.
I was talking to someone at the site yesterday and this is what i heard.
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Well in my office at rbsd they've been sayng no possibility for outdoor decks. It makes no sense mcdonnel. I think you were very much so, misinformed.
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Why dose the tower have so many Mechanical Floors?

I mean the tower has 108 Floors.

2 is for Lobby/Skylobby
18 of them are for the Base.
15 of them are Mechanical Floors, 15!?

The rest is for Offices and Public Space.

Why 15?

Oh and will the Freedom Tower have an observation DECK on the top?


I thought there wern't going to be any floor space in the concrete base.

And the original plan, I thought, was for about 82 floors. Have more been added to make 102?

Yes Patrick, that DOES seem like an awful lot of wasted floor space to have that many mechanical floors.

I think the 2nd obs deck was scrubbed. And I wonder if the tower is going to be set up like the Twins. That is, I wonder if there will be 3 sky lobbies again.

There will only be 3 public floors that I know of. One is the looby on the street level. The other two are for the restaurant and obs deck. Maybe several down below street level for part of the mall.

Oh yeah, and now that I think of it, possibly some stores in the concrete base.

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Old Posted Apr 29, 2007, 4:03 PM
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When the last redesign came out, the tower was listed as having 102 floors. That didn't mean it would literally have 102 floors. It's similar to the ESB and 7 WTC.
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Well in my office at rbsd they've been sayng no possibility for outdoor decks. It makes no sense mcdonnel. I think you were very much so, misinformed.
Why not? The roof on the freedom tower will not be much different from the roof on the twin towers.
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Because of the setup for the spire.

The arrangement doesn't leave any substantial space there that would be feasible enough for an outdoor obs deck.

But I'm happy that we're at least getting an indoor one.
     
     
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When the last redesign came out, the tower was listed as having 102 floors. That didn't mean it would literally have 102 floors. It's similar to the ESB and 7 WTC.
But the ESB does literally have 102 floors, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
     
     
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I am confused!!
On wikipedia site of the Freedom Tower I have read that it will have 108 stories, but that the last 6 are unoccupated and don't count and so the stories are 102. Then I have read that the real stories are only 82, because some mechnical floors ( 1-19 and 91-100 floors ) are counted as 3.
What does mean it? I think that if 1 mechnical floor is high 3 meter or 9 meter it is still 1 floor !!!!
On the site is written that there is a proposed OUTDOOR OBSERVATORY on the top of the building.
Can somebody explain me what will be the REAL NUMBER FLOORS of the Freedom Tower ( example 69 office floors, 2 restaurants floors, 2 Tv equipments floors, 2 lobby floors, 1 indoor deck floor and ?????? real mechnical floors )
     
     
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its cool to know that portland had something to do in building this landmark tower
Portland firm wins Freedom Tower bid
New York - Benson Industries' Gresham factory will build the glass skin for the landmark replacing the World Trade Center
Saturday, April 28, 2007
JONATHAN BRINCKMAN
Portland's Benson Industries will build and install the windows in New York City's Freedom Tower, a 103-floor building rising on the site of the World Trade Center buildings destroyed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The bomb- and fire-resistant windows will be made in Benson's Gresham factory, adding an undetermined number of jobs. The $160.65 million contract with The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey -- the biggest in Benson's 81-year history -- is worth more than half of Benson's 2006 revenue of $250 million.

But the project's importance extends beyond the bottom line for a company that installs glass exteriors on buildings throughout the world, said John Beaulieu, a Benson manager.

"Personally, I think this is the most important building in the world," Beaulieu said. "Our national pride is wrapped around this building in a lot of ways. When the nation sees this building completed, and lit up at night, it will mean a lot."

Freedom Tower a coup for company
Design - Architects say Benson Industries is in a class by itself on creating high-rise exteriors
Saturday, April 28, 2007
JONATHAN BRINCKMAN and RANDY GRAGG
The announcement Friday by Benson Industries -- of a $160.65 million contract to build and install the windows of New York City's Freedom Tower -- comes after a long and convoluted journey for the company.

The deal was worth the wait. The job, on what will become one of the world's most prominent buildings, will be a showcase for a company already known in development circles for its skilled glass work.

Benson submitted its first proposal for the job in August 2004, just shy of three years after terrorists destroyed the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Then, after a cornerstone was laid in 2004, the proposed tower was relocated.

The first tower design looked great, soaring with a dramatic twist. But it didn't include enough square feet to make it affordable.

At 1,776 feet, the redesigned Freedom Tower, including an antenna, will be the tallest building in North America. Its 103 floors are fewer than the 110 in Chicago's Sears Tower. But that building is 1,450 feet tall, 1,725 to the top of its tallest antenna.

Then came a new financial problem: New York developer Larry Silverstein had the right to build five office towers at the destroyed World Trade Center complex. But Silverstein couldn't afford to build all the replacement buildings quickly enough to satisfy The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the land.

The authority and Silverstein struck a deal about a year ago that made the public agency the developer. Benson submitted a revised bid last fall, and the authority's commissioners granted the contract on Wednesday.

"It's been thorough and extensive process," Lou Niles, Benson's president and majority owner, said Friday.

Benson, which has done the exteriors for high-rise buildings around the globe, is ready for this job, said Robert Thompson of TVA Architects, who has worked with the company on projects in Portland.

"Benson operates in their own world. They are unparalleled by any other glazing contractor. From the standpoint of innovation -- look, the feel, the ideas -- they understand how to put a system together," he said.

"They bring such solid research to every project," said John Meadows of Boora Architects who worked with Benson in the Pearl District. "Portland is incredibly fortunate to have their knowledge base here.

"The upside of the Freedom Tower contract is that it (Benson) will be even more amazing. The downside is that not every project can afford them."

Benson's job will be to install about a million square feet of exterior glass that is specially designed to minimize the impact of a terrorist attack, said John Beaulieu, the company's estimating manager.

"The building is designed to withstand any type of attack so we don't have a repeat of what happened," Beaulieu said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report. Jonathan Brinckman: 503-221-8190; [email protected]
     
     
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I think NYguy already posted this story.
     
     
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Somebody may have already answered this earlier so forgive me if this is redundant, but is the Freedom Tower going to have a slight pyramidal shape to it, or is it going to be completely vertical from top to bottom? I've seen renders for both designs -- one with slightly sloped sides, and one with vertical sides. Thanks in advance.
     
     
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Pyramidical shape - much like the formerly proposed NYSE Tower.
     
     
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Pyramidical shape - much like the formerly proposed NYSE Tower.
Cool. The pyramidical shape just looks cool IMO
     
     
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