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Old Posted Apr 24, 2007, 8:13 PM
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The issue I see is if the Las Vegas Tower gets built then the marquee of the Stratosphere is instantly devalued. Why would the average tourist go out of their way to stand in line to get to the top of the Stratosphere when they can very well get an even higher view at the Las Vegas tower? Plus even without the height advantage the tower will have a more upscale image and location.
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2007, 8:29 PM
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Because of the rides at the top, it’s unique.

This discussion is silly. The Stratosphere better not be going anywhere. I love the Strat! There is plenty of room to build around it. I would hope there would be some opposition from the city to imploding it. You can’t just go around destroying landmarks. Could someone just go buy the Space Needle and implode it?
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2007, 8:29 PM
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And Thank God Almighty for these companies to weed out the last remaining elements of this and make the town strictly for upscale adults!

Sorry, but your post conjured up the image of Randy Quaid's brilliant and frighteningly realistic portrayal of the white trash trailer-park redneck in the flick Vegas Vacation with Chevy Chase.

Are you joking about the Venetian? The Venetian? Do you think Sheldon Adelson somehow wanted the name of his masterpiece homage to one of Europe's grandest resort cities to imply the possibility of such suburban trashiness? That's like going to Neiman Marcus and asking for $50 suits. Hello???

The Disneyfication of Vegas in the 80s failed miserably because it was a violation of what Vegas was meant to be. Vegas is no longer an average joe hangout for blue collar types anymore, wanting to slime by with cheap hotel rates and cheap buffet meals after — on penny slots! So, blow the living hell outta of Circus Circus and Excalibur puleese! AND LEAVE THE $%^&*(@ KIDS AT HOME! There's nothing more detracting than fanny-pack wearing couples from Arkansas pushing around a baby buggy at 3am in a casino! You people don't belong here, let alone your kids! Vegas was invented for adults of means as a chic getaway and needs to go back to its roots and keep developing in that direction as it has only recently started doing. Hopefully, as the pricing on entertainment, restaurants, and hotel rates keeps going up, it will eventually keep the punks, lowlifes, and other assorted trash at bay.

And for the 'avergae joes', please look for the arcades in your local towns. There's no room for such here!


Yes, VEGA$MAN! Yes! I hope they take the low class hookers with them!! Only high class hookers should be left in vegas.

You should go to Disney with the kids and get your low class hookers on your local streets. Leave vegas for gentlemen with discerning tastes!
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2007, 9:34 PM
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Yes, VEGA$MAN! Yes! I hope they take the low class hookers with them!! Only high class hookers should be left in vegas.

You should go to Disney with the kids and get your low class hookers on your local streets. Leave vegas for gentlemen with discerning tastes!
Precisely! And place a guard shack at both ends of the strip. No admission without a jacket and collared shirt and must pay entry toll of one tin of beluga (no counterfeits).

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Old Posted Apr 24, 2007, 10:19 PM
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Because of the rides at the top, it’s unique.

This discussion is silly. The Stratosphere better not be going anywhere. I love the Strat! There is plenty of room to build around it. I would hope there would be some opposition from the city to imploding it. You can’t just go around destroying landmarks. Could someone just go buy the Space Needle and implode it?
I love the Strat too; the rides at the top means it kicks the — of every tall stucture i have even been to the top of such as the eiffel tower, cn tower, ESB, Sears and Hancock.

The scary thing is that it could be imploded though no matter how cool it is, for some stupid celebrity condo or even a parking lot
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2007, 11:38 PM
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I think demolishing the Stratosphere Tower itself is unlikely. The construction costs are long since paid off and maintenance is probably not outlandish so as long as visitor/restaurant revenue covers operating costs it would be more costly to take it down than to just operate it as is. The hotel and casino is another story, though. From day one that place has been —. Stupak was underfunded in building it and Icahn is a cheapskate. Unfortunately that reputation is well known making the Stratosphere name equated with a dump. What Goldman could do is take down the casino/hotel or at least do a major gut remodel/addition to the hotel and casino and then rename it (something benign like "Ventagio Hotel and Casino"). The tower itself could keep the name Stratosphere to further distance the hotel from the tower from a marketing standpoint.

However, I wouldn't count on anything like that any time soon. Goldman Sachs is an investor, not a visionary. They'll hire consultants and identify the best way to improve their investment and squeeze the most returns. That might mean a few upgrades but you'll see something more akin to Planet Hollywood or Tropicana is my bet rather than a PCC, Wynn, or Echelon.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2007, 7:32 AM
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I agree that leaving the Strat tower up would work, if they imploded everything but the tower and redid the interior and roof of the tower, and build a new hotel/casino mega resort, at a similar luxury level as The Mirage or Caesars. The tower could be a part of the new hotel.....remove the rides, get a "big name" chef to run a new rotating restaurant, put the high limit casino area up there, put in a nice club/lounge with an outdoor deck (like the Voodoo Lounge or ghostbar at Rio and Palms), maybe a pool area on the roof, plus keep the observation deck. There's alot of potential left in that tower, the ratty hotel/casino is just holding it back. I agree it also could use a new name.

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Old Posted Apr 25, 2007, 8:38 AM
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Because of the rides at the top, it’s unique.

This discussion is silly. The Stratosphere better not be going anywhere. I love the Strat! There is plenty of room to build around it. I would hope there would be some opposition from the city to imploding it. You can’t just go around destroying landmarks. Could someone just go buy the Space Needle and implode it?
it is also the only view from that high up of the city without having to book a room for several hundred dollars a night.

and it is still a family destination. no one has mentioned that. it is still a place where american superstars is a nice family show, and a buffet doesnt cost $25 a person.

a perfect reason to keep it:
IT MAKES A TON OF MONEY!
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2007, 2:30 PM
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Goldman Sachs is an investor, not a visionary. They'll hire consultants and identify the best way to improve their investment and squeeze the most returns.
GS bought it through their Whitehall Street Real Estate Fund, which also has a controlling interest in the Las Vegas Hilton. Whitehall Street Real Estate Fund's asset base includes more than 138 million square feet of commercial space, 66,000 multifamily units and 70,000 hotel rooms. These guys know what they are doing and must have some sort of game plan for the Strat. The Stratosphere purchase is their first gaming property (plus the smaller casinos in the deal) where they will have sole control. It's anyone's guess what they do next, but I think they'll just remodel the Strat hotel and expand it on the vacant land north of it, and rename it, and then build a separate brand across the street on that acreage. One problem with the Strat is that it's isolated, so building another resort across the street will generate a critical mass which is a known strategy for boosting visitor numbers in the casino business. If there are more options in that area then more people will go there. If they were smart, they would also buy all the land on the northest corner of Sahara and LVB and all the land south of the Strat down to Sahara.

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Old Posted Apr 25, 2007, 5:30 PM
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The issue I see is if the Las Vegas Tower gets built then the marquee of the Stratosphere is instantly devalued. Why would the average tourist go out of their way to stand in line to get to the top of the Stratosphere when they can very well get an even higher view at the Las Vegas tower? Plus even without the height advantage the tower will have a more upscale image and location.
Yeah but they don't have rides atop the LVT. I think the rides is what will make the Stratopshere more attractive. They still have room to add a new rollar coaster up there. Not like the high rollar though.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2007, 5:41 PM
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I agree that leaving the Strat tower up would work, if they imploded everything but the tower and redid the interior and roof of the tower, and build a new hotel/casino mega resort, at a similar luxury level as The Mirage or Caesars. The tower could be a part of the new hotel.....remove the rides, get a "big name" chef to run a new rotating restaurant, put the high limit casino area up there, put in a nice club/lounge with an outdoor deck (like the Voodoo Lounge or ghostbar at Rio and Palms), maybe a pool area on the roof, plus keep the observation deck. There's alot of potential left in that tower, the ratty hotel/casino is just holding it back. I agree it also could use a new name.
Heh do you know how much space there is up there. You're crazy to think they will remove the rides up there. Each ride costs ateast $10 million. They already have a lounge up there and a rotating restaurant with more than enough room for the guests.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2007, 7:59 PM
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GS bought it through their Whitehall Street Real Estate Fund, which also has a controlling interest in the Las Vegas Hilton. Whitehall Street Real Estate Fund's asset base includes more than 138 million square feet of commercial space, 66,000 multifamily units and 70,000 hotel rooms. These guys know what they are doing and must have some sort of game plan for the Strat. The Stratosphere purchase is their first gaming property (plus the smaller casinos in the deal) where they will have sole control. It's anyone's guess what they do next, but I think they'll just remodel the Strat hotel and expand it on the vacant land north of it, and rename it, and then build a separate brand across the street on that acreage. One problem with the Strat is that it's isolated, so building another resort across the street will generate a critical mass which is a known strategy for boosting visitor numbers in the casino business. If there are more options in that area then more people will go there. If they were smart, they would also buy all the land on the northest corner of Sahara and LVB and all the land south of the Strat down to Sahara.

Now there's a good idea...buy all those crappy businesses (the Worlds Largest "and most Tacky" Gift Shop)... Then follow MGM's lead and turn the Strat into an area like City Center... Best part would be the height allowed for those bldgs...can anyone say condos over 1000 feet?
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2007, 9:18 PM
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Two Words: City Center

One thing people need to remember about all these future CityCenter speculations:

CityCENTER.

It's not called -- CityInTheMiddleofNowhere. Or CityOnTheExtremeNorthEndOfTheStrip.

It's called CityCenter because it is adjacent to Bellagio and at the very heart of the strip.

Building a world class CityCenter project will not happen unless the location is perfect.
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One thing people need to remember about all these future CityCenter speculations:

CityCENTER.

It's not called -- CityInTheMiddleofNowhere. Or CityOnTheExtremeNorthEndOfTheStrip.

It's called CityCenter because it is adjacent to Bellagio and at the very heart of the strip.

Building a world class CityCenter project will not happen unless the location is perfect.
Well yes...but a city can have multiple centers. Look at Atlanta or Los Angeles, even Manhattan. and yes, while the Stratosphere area may never have the central location and overall fabulosity of the CityCenter area, it is capable of much more than it is giving us now. Let us not count out that neighborhood completely yet. It can be great in its own way.
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Another thing to remember is that CityCenter is not even in the city limits, it's in the township of Paradise, so maybe it should be called "TownCenter".

Another thing I've been wondering about is what kind of access will CityCenter have to the freeway? Will they make Harmon an actual interchange? Right now it's just an overpass and doesn't connect to the freeway. So if you live at CityCenter and want to jump on the freeway you will have to drive through the gridlock around Bellagio or NYNY, or take Frank Sinatra all the way up to Spring Mountain or down to Russell, or you could connect to Dean Martin and hook up with Flamingo on the other side. Harmon never was a major intersection on the Strip in the past.

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Tesco announces that it will have opened 100 stores accross LA, San Diego, Las Vegas and Phoenix by Feb 2008! 14 locations in Las Vegas and 20 in Phoenix have been announced, with more to be announced accross Southland in the next few weeks. The first stores should open in the third/fourth quarter. The first store to open Las Vegas will be at 8650 West Tropicana Avenue.
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Tesco ... The first store to open Las Vegas will be at 8650 West Tropicana Avenue.
Last time I went by there that location was a Smith's grocery store.
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Now there's a good idea...buy all those crappy businesses (the Worlds Largest "and most Tacky" Gift Shop)...
I agree 100% with this statement, crappy isn't the word I would use for them businesses though

I think the majority is in agreement that the Strat tower should stay without a doubt. I feel that the Strat would become more important (not less as some people are speculating here) if the LVT is built. Imagine looking at the 1888ft LVT sitting in your seat just before the X-Scream takes off, wow.
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Plans announced for 73.5 acres north of Stratosphere

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New player joins downtown games

Michigan developer's plans include casinos, 22,000-seat arena
By Kristen Peterson
Las Vegas Sun

A new player jumped into the game to build an arena in downtown, unveiling its plans at an informal neighborhood meeting complete with soda and cookies.

Michigan-based developer Real Estate Interests Group (REi) showed plans for a 22,000-seat arena, three casinos, hotels and condos to a group of 40 or so business and property owners Tuesday night.

But the quaint meeting turned into a contentious battle of vision when artists and gallery owners came face to face with a proposal that would level and redevelop 73.5 acres of the gritty industrial area north of the Stratosphere.

The tract bordered by Charleston Boulevard, Main Street, Wyoming Avenue and the downtown railroad tracks now is home to furniture stores, car repair shops, small businesses, empty buildings and part of the city's Arts District.

But if REi gets its way, the area will become a mixed-use development including an arena, casinos, a sports apparel trade center similar to World Market Center, 9,100 hotel and condominium units , and more than 550,000 square feet of retail space.

Initial plans for the area, called Project Neon Lights, were revealed last year but didn't include an arena.

City officials say they need an arena to lure professional sports teams to Las Vegas. Last week, the city opened arena proposals and hopes to pick a developer within six months.

Mayor Oscar Goodman said the REi arena site at Charleston and Main would have the same chance as any other proposal - despite the fact that it wasn't among the four "preferred" sites listed in a consultant's study.

"They are in the mix," Goodman said Wednesday. "They have very deep pockets. From what I understand, they love Las Vegas and they love downtown."

Area property owners already had agreed to sell to TR Las Vegas for Project Neon Lights last year. REi would take over after those sales close in the fall.

The area is zoned for commercial and light industrial, and REi would need zoning changes to allow a mixed-use development , as well as gaming permits for the casinos.

The redevelopment could begin with arena construction in a year and would continue in phases for five to seven years, Jill Ferrari of REi says.

"It will be great to see it all plowed down someday," said Tom Prato, partner in TR Las Vegas and owner of Artistic Ironworks, which hosted Tuesday's meetings. "It would be a catalyst for things to be built here, for something great to happen."

Even if REi doesn't get the bid for the sports arena, Ferrari says, it would build an arena for year-round events, conventions and concerts. The developers haven't talked with the foundation building the Smith Center for Performing Arts in the nearby Union Park, but say their huge arena wouldn't conflict with the smaller concert center.

Artists and some business owners said they don't want the character of the area to be overwhelmed by parking garages, towers and traffic.

"If they have a great art component, then God bless them," Arts Factory owner Wes Myles said. "It's going to change. We as the neighborhood association are going to put as much influence on the design as we can. There are a handful of concerns. The Arts District is very protective of the nature of that atmosphere."

Dolores Eliades, manager of Olympic Gardens, says she's selling property on Commerce Street and supports the change: "We get to build our city all over again. I'm one of the few who love downtown. I go to the movies downtown. I eat downtown. I walk downtown. But if people don't live downtown, who's going to shop there?"

Todd VonBastiaans, who owns Atomic Todd on Commerce Street , is unhappy with the plans. "It could have been lived with if it was mixed-use only - coffee houses, book stores with living quarters above. But a sports apparel expo? I think they're trying to package it, buy it, raze it so it will sit for five years and be more profitable to sell. It's just enough information so they can get zoning changes and five years later do something else."

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MGM Mirage to invest $160M in The M Resort

MGM Mirage announced today that it will invest $160 million in The M Resort, a new resort casino on Las Vegas Blvd. and St. Rose Parkway. First phase is a 400-room, 100,000 square foot casino. The remaining 40 acres (out of 80) will be for mixed-use development.

Wow with this and Southern Highlands the South Strip will be full of casino action!

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/04-26-2007/0004574522&EDATE=
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