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Old Posted Apr 17, 2007, 4:12 AM
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This is a low quality pic of the new HQ, but it looks like this:




I had some actual pics of the building last month, but everything on my SD card was mistakenly deleted...
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2007, 4:16 AM
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It looks ALOT bigger than that in person. The lot is more spread out, the building is wider and taller. There is also a huge parking deck with an elevated walk-through.
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2007, 4:44 AM
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Yes, in person it definitely meets the definition of a "sprawling corporate campus".
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2007, 1:37 PM
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This is a low quality pic of the new HQ, but it looks like this:




I had some actual pics of the building last month, but everything on my SD card was mistakenly deleted...
Why is this not in Downtown?
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2007, 1:45 PM
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The city wanted it downtown. Colonial had talked about putting it (actually a different design) downtown.

I've heard a couple of different reasons.

1. Colonial wanted the city to build them some parking decks. The city agreed, but couldn't meet their time frame (they're already 2 years behind on the decks they're supposed to build)

2. (heard this one from a reliable source recently). Mr. Lowder didn't want his building's main view to be that of the Civic Center/Hotel's parking deck.
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2. (heard this one from a reliable source recently). Mr. Lowder didn't want his building's main view to be that of the Civic Center/Hotel's parking deck.
I can see his point. Too bad RSA couldn't have worked the deck into the interior of the block somehow, with an attractive wrapper.

But still, shame on Colonial Bank for building a suburban campus.
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2007, 2:43 AM
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2. (heard this one from a reliable source recently). Mr. Lowder didn't want his building's main view to be that of the Civic Center/Hotel's parking deck.

So did he want the city to convince RSA to move the hotel so that it would be in front of his building? We see who won that one.

In any case, out of two of the city's big-time developers, Lowder sees that his influence isn't as much as Bronner's, so he takes his ball and goes home (east).
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So did he want the city to convince RSA to move the hotel so that it would be in front of his building? We see who won that one.

In any case, out of two of the city's big-time developers, Lowder sees that his influence isn't as much as Bronner's, so he takes his ball and goes home (east).
East to East Montgomery or further east to say, Exit 51 and about 3 or 4 miles north on College Street to Samford Hall?
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2007, 4:03 AM
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East to East Montgomery or further east to say, Exit 51 and about 3 or 4 miles north on College Street to Samford Hall?


...Yes, yes indeed.
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2007, 1:15 PM
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mmmm sprawl.

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April 18, 2007
Shoppers get more choices

By Paul W. Sullivan
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East Montgomery is getting two more shopping centers and another subdivision.

All projects are being developed by David Earnest and Rodney Decker, who factored in growth trends and discount giant Wal-Mart in picking their locations.

The shopping centers are already under construction and should be completed by fall.

Veritas Shopping Center will be on 15 acres off Atlanta Highway across from the Arrowhead neighborhood near Interstate 85. It will include 15,000 square feet of shopping and office space.

The Shoppes at Chantilly is off Chantilly Parkway, just south of Home Depot. It will have 28,000 square feet of store space.

Earnest and Decker are betting the new Wal-Mart on Chantilly will be the catalyst for retail in that part of town like it has been elsewhere.

"Activity breeds activity," Earnest said.

Growth around Wal-Marts in Prattville, Millbrook and Ann Street in midtown Montgomery prove the team's plan is sound, he said.

"Everything follows Wal-Mart," Earnest said.

The subdivision, Laurel Crossing, will be a mile east of Chantilly and Vaughn Road, across from the Bridle Brook neighborhood. Groundbreaking for Laurel Crossing is set for this summer with an opening scheduled for the summer of 2008.

Besides 115 homes, the development will have office and retail space.

Decker envisions a sprinkling of professional offices accompanied by stores in the business section of the 15-acre development. He said the gated neighborhood will offer low-maintenance garden homes ranging in size from 1,600 to 2,000 square feet. The homes will cost $185,000 to $215,000.

The partners are investing in east Montgomery with an eye toward the future. Earnest is convinced that even more houses will be built out east once the Outer Loop is completed and the Hyundai auto plant expands. He predicts the current boom will become an explosion.

"Timing is everything," Earnest said. "This is where the housetops are going. We are just following the housetops."
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2007, 1:17 PM
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a little less sprawly...

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Developers and residents hammered out an agreement Tuesday on a proposed business development across from Wal-Mart on Ann Street.

Residents were concerned that the development at the corner of Cherry Street would infringe on the character of the residential street and ultimately be a detriment to the neighborhood.

The agreement brings the development in line with the existing Popeye's on Ann Street with eight added restrictions.

Those restrictions include retaining at least one of the oak trees adjacent to the property.

Other restrictions include a sidewalk on the Cherry Street side of the property, 65 percent of the street side facades to be constructed of natural materials such as stone or wood, and all of the utility service lines to be underground.

Montgomery City Council member Martha Roby applauded the cooperation.

"It's always good to see neighborhoods and developers working together," Roby said.

Leaders of the Highland Park and Capitol Heights neighborhood associations met with representatives of Realty Link to work out an agreement. A final pact was reached Tuesday afternoon. The agreement will be advertised for 30 days before being brought before the council for a vote.

Ted Taylor with Realty Link said the tenant of the property has not been determined but said it likely would be a fast-food restaurant or possibly a small retail center, such as a cell phone store.
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I'm suprised to see the Outer Loop even mentioned.

That can only be a good thing. They need to speed that thing up.

Has anyone else noticed on MapQuest.com if you look at a map of the Montgomery metro area, there is a slight portion of the outerloop highlighted as interstate highway. It must be what's completed so far?
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Montgomery welcomes new Wal-Mart


A giant inflated Aubie stands in front of the new Wal-Mart on Chantilly Parkway just outside the city limits of Montgomery, Ala., during the grand opening of the store on Wednesday April 18, 2007.

Area residents welcomed the fourth Wal-Mart Supercenter to the Capitol City Wednesday morning. Doors opened to the public to the new store, located on Chantilly Parkway, at 8 a.m.

The grand opening included appearances from Montgomery Biscuits mascot Big Mo, the Lee High School pep band and area cheerleaders. Pike Road mayor Gordon Stone was also present along with other local officials.

The scene from the grand opening resembled a pep rally as neighborhood residents made their way through the store. The new Wal-Mart features an Alabama/Auburn collegiate store, a drive-thru garden center and a Subway restaurant.

The store has 450 employees, is 203,000-sq. ft. and is open 24 hours seven days a week. The sales tax at the Wal-Mart Supercenter on Chantilly Parkway is 6.5 percent.
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2007, 9:22 PM
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I'm suprised to see the Outer Loop even mentioned.

That can only be a good thing. They need to speed that thing up.

Has anyone else noticed on MapQuest.com if you look at a map of the Montgomery metro area, there is a slight portion of the outerloop highlighted as interstate highway. It must be what's completed so far?
If you like that go here: http://local.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.pcty...end%20of%20pre-construction___&encType=1
choose the bird's eye view. This all the pre-construction that has been done on the outer loop... just sad!
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2007, 10:41 PM
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I'm suprised to see the Outer Loop even mentioned.

That can only be a good thing. They need to speed that thing up.

It just may happen now sooner than we think.

Montgomery has decided not to totally lean on ALDOT anymore and has formed its own Toll Road Authority through the legislature in order to start on several major road projects immediately.

The previous Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta was in Montgomery today and said the city is being very progressive by not waitng around for state funding for its transportation needs.

I have mixed feelings about this.
Although every road Montgomery needs should be built by the state as a freeway, it's better to see the roads completed in the next 3-6 years though the Toll Road Authority instead of the next 25-35 years as with ALDOT's current completion schedule.
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I think things are going to heat up about Chantilly Parkway not being inside the city limits. In my opinion, this has to be annexed into the City of Montgomery, simply because it's sitting on unincorporated Montgomery County, but receiving city resources. Before years end this will be a revenue MACHINE.

Mayor: Tax rate gives new Wal-Mart an unfair advantage

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Wal-Mart employees greeted the opening of the area's newest supercenter on Chantilly Parkway in pep rally fashion, but not everyone is cheering the retail giant's store.

The problem for Montgomery Mayor Bobby Bright and for nearby businesses is the new store's location, just outside the city limits of Montgomery and outside the Pike Road community.

Because of this, the new Wal-Mart can charge 61/2 cents sales tax instead of the 83/4 cents charged by Pike Road or the 10 cents charged by the city of Montgomery.

Merchants within the city of Montgomery, less than a mile from the new Wal-Mart, say this gives the superstore an unfair advantage. Bright says the superstore and other stores that are opening at Chantilly, including Home Depot, are using city resources without paying their fair share.

Bright has said the stores at Chantilly were allowed to hook up to city water and sewer lines, an oversight he said he will ensure does not occur again. These stores will pay the same sewer and water fees as others in the city, but not the taxes that go to build and maintain the utility systems.

"About 90 percent of the people shopping at those businesses will be from Montgomery, yet the city won't be getting sales tax," Bright said previously, during a regular weekly meeting with the media.

"It's not right. It's not fair, and that's why it's important for me to let the people of the city of Montgomery know about it. The people of the city should rise up (and stop shopping there) because we don't need a big retailer locating themselves right on the outskirts of our city limits and draining our resources -- not if we are going to continue to pay our police and firemen and maintain our city services," he said.

Eric Brewer, director of public affairs for Wal-Mart, said the company did not want to insert itself into local issues. He did say that cities have talked to Wal-Mart about becoming part of their municipality.

"Wal-Mart is happy to operate in whatever municipality we find ourselves in," he said. "Municipalities have contacted us, but we have not entered into any negotiations or stated a preference, and will not."

Managers of competing stores are less hesitant to comment. Most expect a drop in sales.

Mike Cartee, the manager of the Bruno's on East Chase Parkway, less than a mile from the Wal-Mart, even has a Wal-Mart "Defense Manual" stressing the advantages -- from its high quality meat market, deli, bakery to its customer service -- that Bruno's has over Wal-Mart.

Still, he expects to lose customers to the nearby supercenter.

"We'll do the best we can, but we aren't happy," Cartee said.

Likewise, EastChase Target manager Danielle Prevo said she expected a drop in sales. But she is upbeat and believes Target's emphasis on friendly service will help it compete.

Not all competitors were upset about Wal-Mart's opening.

Susan George, co-owner of Steaks DeVine wine and meat shop in Somerset shopping center, basically said bring it on.

"The store will bring more traffic on Atlanta Highway," said George, whose store is on Atlanta Highway across from the Lake Forest neighborhood. "Wal-Mart is not a competitor of ours because our meat is better quality and our service is better."

The lower sales tax that is irritating the city of Montgomery and some of the competing businesses located within its limits is having the opposite effect on some consumers.

Pat Tatum, 53, a retired state worker who lives in Carriage Hills, was aware of the lower sales tax before the store opened Wednesday, and specifically came out because of the money it will save her.

Wynlakes resident Doris Gramm, 75, was one of many shoppers who got up early Wednesday for the 8 a.m. opening so she could see the inside of one of her favorite stores.

The retired nurse said she's one of many people living in the upper-scale areas of east Montgomery who she believes will frequent Wal-Mart.

"I've been shopping at Wal-Mart for 15 years," she said. "Everybody in Wynlakes shops at Wal-Mart."

And there is plenty to shop for at this Wal-Mart. The supercenter, which employs 450 people, occupies 203,856 square feet. It sports a drive-through garden center, a two-lane drive-through pharmacy, an in-store Subway sandwich shop, an Auburn-Alabama collegiate store and many other new features, according to store manager Mary Jo House.

But for Montgomery's outspoken mayor, the shops at Chantilly represent lost revenue, not new shopping opportunities.

"We don't need businesses ripping the city of Montgomery off, and that is exactly what they are trying to do by locating themselves right over the city limits and using our services without paying any sales taxes like other businesses here do," Bright said.

He said he realizes that at this point there's nothing he can do about his objection -- that a business using city services was leeching revenue from the city -- but said the issue is too important for the city to let it go.

"They are already there using city services, and we are going to have to deal with it," he said. "But they are going to have to be paying a surcharge, or at least be paying more than the people of Montgomery are paying. These people are reaping the benefits of our services without paying for them, and all the people who go and shop there from Montgomery are supporting them in what they are doing."

Bright said another possible option could be incorporating the area into the city of Montgomery. Pike Road Mayor Gordon Stone attended the grand opening and said he would love to have the area in the city of Pike Road.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2007, 9:48 PM
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The city was dumb not to have annexed that entire area when the state began building that road over 5 years ago.
Knowing that Chantilly Parkway would become another major retail thoroughfare for the city, did they think it would annex itself?

That was more than an oversight, that was simply being asleep at the wheel...
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What can be done about it this late in the game? If anyone is going to annex it, it's going to be the city of Montgomery, and not a bedroom community obviously.
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What can be done about it this late in the game? If anyone is going to annex it, it's going to be the city of Montgomery, and not a bedroom community obviously.
I hope that either no one annexes the Wal-Mart, or that Montgomery drops their Sales Tax all total to 7%. There's no reason why the city of Montgomery has the level 3.5% on top of Montgomery County's 6.5% sales tax. We're not Tennessee and 10% sales taxes have no business in our cities.
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I hope that either no one annexes the Wal-Mart, or that Montgomery drops their Sales Tax all total to 7%. There's no reason why the city of Montgomery has the level 3.5% on top of Montgomery County's 6.5% sales tax. We're not Tennessee and 10% sales taxes have no business in our cities.
The city won't drop the sales tax in the near future, but I'd be willing to bet they try to annex. I don't think the people's opinions on the tax will have anything to do with, and/or will it affect the decisions or actions to follow. That's sad, but it's dollars that count as far as I can see. I've been paying 10% sales tax since I had an income, it doesn't bother me now..... it only seems to bother people who have nothing to do with the Montgomery, or better yet, "nothing good to say" about this city. On Montgomery Advertiser's website, there are metro residents to the north [Prattville, Millbrook, Wetumpka] doing nothing but complaining about the sales tax being so high in the city, and that they can't wait til the retail developments in there communities are finished so that they don't have to pay 10% sales tax. Little do they know that $50 million was spent [of there past, present, and future tax dollars] to get Bass Pro Shops to headline the list of retailers. I don't see any difference between the two after that fact. I'd be willing to bet another city in the metro will soon raise sales tax after they see the economic engine before there eyes.
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