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Old Posted Mar 23, 2007, 11:35 AM
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You'd think that after all this time, they'd put a restaurant up there somewhere between the 86th and 102nd floors, but I guess that won't happen.

Are you kidding? There's no room for a restaurant.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2007, 11:41 AM
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Big Developers Covet Piece of Ground Zero



With real estate values soaring in Lower Manhattan, the time could be right for investors to take a stake in the planned development at the former World Trade Center site.


By DAVID LOMBINO
March 23, 2007


With the real estate market soaring in Lower Manhattan, experts say the time is right for some of the city's biggest developers to take a stake in the future of ground zero.

The chairman of the publicly traded Vornado Realty Trust, billionaire Steven Roth, an aggressive real estate player who controls 19 office buildings in New York, met with developer Larry Silverstein late last year, according to a source involved with downtown development. The source said the preliminary discussion surrounded the acquisition of part, or all, of the buildings known as Towers 2, 3, and 4, large commercial office buildings that would be built along the eastern side of the site on Church Street.

Real estate analysts say the three towers, comprising 6.2 million square feet, are worth billions of dollars, and because of their prime location and large office floor plans are the financial prize of the planned development. Silverstein Properties is scheduled to begin construction in January 2008 on towers 3 and 4, and in July 2008 on Tower 2. The buildings are scheduled to be completed by 2013.

The New York real estate market has been flooded with capital recently, as hedge funds, large pension funds, foreign investors, and private equity companies seek to tap into the profitable asset class, shifting funds from other traditional investments such as the debt and equity markets.

Vornado, which recently lost out in the bidding for Equity Office Properties Trust, which had more than 500 office buildings across the country and sold to Blackstone for about $39 billion, seemingly has access to an unlimited amount of capital for acquisition. The company is heavily invested in the area around Madison Square Garden, where it has plans with the Related Companies to develop millions of square feet of office space.

Several real estate analysts say it would be tempting for Mr. Silverstein, 75, to tap into rapidly rising values in Lower Manhattan, which are being driven skyward by increasing office rents and greater certainty surrounding the future development of the 16-acre former World Trade Center site. Mr. Silverstein's new office building, known as 7 World Trade Center, is filling up with tenants and he is said to be charging about $70 a square foot for the top floor, though many experts predicted at one point that he would be stretching to get $40 a square foot.

It has been almost a year since the Port Authority, which owns the 16-acre site, and Silverstein Properties, which controls a 99-year lease, reached an agreement about the future development of up to 10 million square feet of new office space.

The president of the Real Estate Board of New York, Steven Spinola, said there has been a "tremendous" increase in value to Mr. Silverstein's ground zero assets during that span.

"It must close to double in value," Mr. Spinola said.

He said it would be "surprising" but not "impossible" for Mr. Roth to seek to acquire part or all of Mr. Silverstein's development rights.
" Roth has not shown any interest in Lower Manhattan. But if he is going to do something, he is going to do something big," Mr. Spinola said.

A spokesman for Mr. Roth, Howard Rubenstein, said Mr. Roth has "no intention" of purchasing development rights at the former World Trade Center site, and that no meeting with Mr. Silverstein took place. "It is absolutely not true," Mr. Rubenstein said yesterday.

An executive of Silverstein Properties, John Lieber, said the notion that the company is seeking to sell its development rights is "nonsense." Mr. Silverstein has indicated his intention to hold onto the assets indefinitely.

Mr. Silverstein would not be alone in trying to cash in on Lower Manhattan's miraculous increase in real estate values. The Port Authority is said to be shopping to private sector developers a stake in the Freedom Tower and another tower to be built nearby called Tower 5.


The Port Authority also recently reached out to some private developers to build out 600,000 square feet of planned retail space along the eastern side of ground zero. According to sources familiar with downtown development, one of the city's most active firms, the Related Companies, is one the developers that has been contacted. Another developer, Westfield, controls the right to first offer on the retail site and could be a partner in any development.

A director for Real Capital Analytics, Daniel Fasulo, said an unbuilt development site at ground zero could fetch about $275 million, based on recent sales of development sites in Midtown. It would be worth as much as $1,000 a square foot, or about $1 billion for an office building of 1 million square feet after it is built and rented out.

Thus, Mr. Silverstein's 6.2 million square feet could be worth more than $6 billion.

"That is such a humongous project that it would not surprise me if Silverstein brought in another developer to assist with the building process," he said. "But I cannot foresee a situation where they would sell the entire interest in the site."

He said Silverstein Properties is a "merchant builder" that makes its money from constructing new towers, but it could seek to take on an additional partner.

"Merchant builders usually don't give up the right to build. It's how they make money," Mr. Fasulo said. "Once he adds his value, it makes sense for him to realize that value."

Mr. Fasulo said Silverstein Properties could do a "pre-sale" on part of the future development where the company could enter into a contract with another developer to control it once the building is finished.

"It helps the bank out and it helps the builder. The buyer usually gets a market discount for getting in so early," he said.

Any sale, according to sources familiar with downtown development, would face several hurdles about the division of insurance proceeds stemming from the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, and would require approvals from the Port Authority.
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Are you kidding? There's no room for a restaurant.


CGII already said that.

And I DID read somewhere that the ring supporting the spire atop the Freedom Tower was supposed to rotate, unless they changed it.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2007, 2:23 PM
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Silverstein Properties is scheduled to begin construction in January 2008 on towers 3 and 4, and in July 2008 on Tower 2. The buildings are scheduled to be completed by 2013.

2013..........................

Why doesn't Larry start the construction now, instead of being a cheap J*w and waiting for the Port Authority to finish the bath tub! This is pathetic, the whole project from the design plan to this slow, old and greedy developer has been the worst I've seen in a long time... and all eyes around the world are on this project! Our only hope is the midtown development which is steamrolling right along.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2007, 3:01 PM
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Silverstein Properties is scheduled to begin construction in January 2008 on towers 3 and 4, and in July 2008 on Tower 2. The buildings are scheduled to be completed by 2013.

2013..........................

Why doesn't Larry start the construction now, instead of being a cheap J*w and waiting for the Port Authority to finish the bath tub! This is pathetic, the whole project from the design plan to this slow, old and greedy developer has been the worst I've seen in a long time... and all eyes around the world are on this project! Our only hope is the midtown development which is steamrolling right along.
Hmmm. Unless you want the building to topple over because of water damage, I think that slurry wall is a bit important. Just my 2 cents though.
     
     
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^ Lol, just a weeee bit.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2007, 3:59 PM
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Why doesn't Larry start the construction now, instead of being a cheap J*w and waiting for the Port Authority to finish the bath tub!
First of all, the slurry wall has to be completed before excavation can even begin for the towers. The PA will be finished with the wall for towers 3 and 4 late this year, finishing the wall for Tower 2 sometime next year.

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This is pathetic, the whole project from the design plan to this slow, old and greedy developer has been the worst I've seen in a long time
It's not the developer who has stalled this project. You do know that there was a lenghty, 3-staged design process, followed by bickering from an architect who wasn't even hired to design the buildings in the first place. Only to be followed by the "revelation" from the NYPD that the Freedom Tower just happened to be bordering on West St - a very busy highway. None of which has anything to do with the developer.

Why did the PA wait 3 to 4 years to start building a slurry wall everyone knew was going to go there regardless? They say it had to be designed. The point is, all of this constant whining about the progress of the site is about a year too late. Every corner of ground zero is now under construction. And they'd better take the time to do it right.
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OK... I'm sorry about ranting on Larry, maybe it's not his fault completely. But you guys have to admit that the project as a whole has been riddled with major f*ck ups. I'm just pissed off when I heard the words 2013333!
     
     
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I don't think 2013 is really that far off in the grand scheme of things. It's been 6 years since 2001 and it's just 6 more years til 2013.
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Not quite. At least as far as 09-11 is concerned.

And like NYguy said, better that the slurry wall is being put in now instead of when the Freedom Tower is built.

An BTW, we're coming up on a year since the tower started construction last spring. In April.

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Let's hope someone else buys the rights to Tower 4 (Maki's) and redesigns it.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2007, 5:39 AM
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Can anyone get some recent pictures of the site?
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2007, 10:16 AM
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The crappy location of the cam and even the cam itself produce crappy pics anyway!!

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Old Posted Mar 24, 2007, 2:06 PM
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These new designs look ok, but just don't come across as a sign of financial power to me at all, like WTC did. It kind of reminds me of those buildings going up in Madrid, but there's nothing really amazing or monumental about any of them.

I honestly feel that a two-tower design sort of like the trade center, but with more of a futuristic design could have done wonders for the site.
     
     
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Three buildings the size of the Empire state building all right next to each other, and a fouth 950 footer thrown in for good measure......your right, there's nothing monumental about that......happens every day
     
     
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These new designs look ok, but just don't come across as a sign of financial power to me at all, like WTC did. It kind of reminds me of those buildings going up in Madrid, but there's nothing really amazing or monumental about any of them.

I honestly feel that a two-tower design sort of like the trade center, but with more of a futuristic design could have done wonders for the site.


When are you guys going to accept the fact that this new complex will NOT be anything like the former one was?

For Pete's sake, accept the new design and live with it. You're going to have to anyway. Geez!
     
     
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my rendering of what i think it should look like. (rough sketch)

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OMG!

Another one. I'm going to steal a line from Mark, and that is;

When will this lost cause give up?

When the tower is built or when tenants start moving in? Or will you guys keep on poking and screaming for a Freedom Tower "Twin"? Haha!!
     
     
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There'll be no outdoor deck/rotating ring at the Freedom Tower. Previous plans called for an outdoor deck at 1,362 ft, but that was pulled back.
I never got a chance to go on the outdoor deck of the original WTC, and now they won't have one for the freedom tower. That sucks!
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The Empire State Building still has one, as does the GE Building (Top of the Rock).

But I think I'm just glad that the tower is getting an obs deck regardless.
     
     
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