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Old Posted Feb 22, 2007, 11:11 PM
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Olympia in Hamilton is 33 floors, 98m (321') tall.



That expansion will look great in Windsor! Have Detroit residents drooling at new develpment since they don't get any of their own :s
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The Olympia is a fantastic looking building with excellent views. I was visiting someone there once during a summer t-storm out of Lake Ontario--it was unreal. There is the peril of folks at Sam Lawrence Park being able to look directly into the south facing suites of the upper floors--but otherwise a great looking building.

Alas, all 3 Detroit Casinos are getting their own hotels--mind you, they are more dimunitive height-wise. MGM's exterior is complete and MotorCity is not far behind it--Greektown is only beginning to sprout from it's base.
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Here's a scan of the newest rendering from the Expansion handout packet. Spoke to a representative at the open house who told me the exterior night lights that illuminate the building will be gold and brownish, but the existing casino portion will still have the bluish tinted windows visible during the daytime.

I really wanted to get some shots of the bigger renderings on poster board, including cross sections and aerial views, but I didn't think the guys in suits would like it if I had pulled out my digicam.

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Old Posted Feb 23, 2007, 2:48 PM
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^ How tall is London, Ontario's One London Place?
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2007, 5:48 PM
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OLP is 358 ft.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2007, 6:03 PM
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^ Thanks for the London stat.

Isn't the Greektown Casino hotel/parking garage going to be around 30+ stories?
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2007, 6:15 PM
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Yes upinottawa--I think roughly so--they are using a similar tactic to Windsor--setting a 20 or so floor hotel on top of a tall podium. In Greektown's case the hotel sits on top of a 13 level parking structure.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2007, 8:11 PM
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personally, i don't like the sound of all of those 'skybridges'. all i can see in my minds eye, is the ren cen and how all of its overhead walkways eliminate any and all street level pedestrian traffic. the pessimist in me predicts that this NE portion of downtown is going to become a realitive dead zone that doesn't fit into the city fabric at all.

although, the cash it brings in will be most welcome, i'm sure...
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2007, 8:55 PM
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So at the open house, did they mention how tall the tower would be in feet or meters? I like the new rendering
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arnold--I wouldn't expect there to be much pedestrian traffic "around" the casino--there really isn't any now, and the building was never designed to encourage it--it's not the nature of the beast. That being said, in the summer months there is always a fair amount of traffic "between" the casino area and the downtown area--particularly along Pitt, Chatham and University. It's up to the owners of the those establishments east of Ouelette to take advantage of that. The expansion project effectively brings the casino a block closer to downtown. Keep in mind also--before you picture too many "skybridges" that the building will actually be fully linked together and will appear essentially as a single building.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2007, 8:14 PM
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I'm not sure about this whole casino thing, there is such a thing as "too big". We'll see how it turns out I guess.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2007, 9:45 PM
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The problem Blitz, from the beginning, was that the casino wasn't big enough. In attempting to appease fearful downtown businesses in the mid 90s, what was then the OCC came to an agreement with the city that limited the number of hotel rooms, bars, restaurants and entertainment options so as not to siphon away business from establishments downtown. Once competition began heating up in Detroit this put CW at a competitive handicap--this expansion and renovation is more or less designed to correct those limitations.

Incidentally--not sure how widely known this is yet--but currently under construction in the existing building is Nero's Steakhouse--which is a branch of the Nero's that's in the original Caesar's Palace in Vegas.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2007, 3:35 AM
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With respect to the expansion, I must admit that the most exciting part (for me at least) is the new convention space. This should help the city of Windsor land numerous additional Canadian conferences. The casino's combination of new hotel space, new convention space, and its renovate gaming facilities should make Windsor a more attractive destination.

Now, if only there were more retail downtown and other interesting attractions (the Art Gallery and waterfront -- even though the waterfront could be more active -- notwithstanding).
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2007, 4:41 AM
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Speaking of downtown businesses, I'm hearing that American Apparel on Pelissier has closed.
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Yes westerntragedy, AA is done on Pelissier. There are still a few locations in the Detroit area if you believe in AA's ethos and are willing to pay the prices. As happy as I was when I heard they opened--I expected it to end like this. They did very little in the way of advertising--and, quite frankly, downtown is not anywhere near ready for that sort of retail right now. Devonshire might have worked, but that's about it.
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^that's a mighty shame... i stopped in and bought a few xmas gifts at that store while i was in town over the holidays. it seemed to be the only retail bright spot in a rather gloomy downtown and its fresh, white facade was a really welcome sight in a landscape of rather ugly and beat-up looking downtown storefronts.
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Gord Henderson, Windsor Star
Published: Tuesday, February 27, 2007

It takes astonishing gall to give your embattled employer the one-finger salute while it contemplates borrowing money for a major capital investment that could safeguard your job for years to come.

We don't need your stinking jobs. So no deals. That's essentially what a majority of DaimlerChrysler workers at the Brampton assembly plant told their union and the company when they rejected minor contract concessions needed to secure a $700-million investment in their plant and here in Windsor.

This Friday will mark the 20th anniversary of Chrysler's acquisition of American Motors Corporation (AMC), which brought the Brampton workforce into the Pentastar family. But it's doubtful that warbling "Happy Birthday" and blowing out candles will be high on the agenda at a plant that might just have kissed its future goodbye.

"The company is absolutely pissed with us right now and I don't blame them," Ardis Snow, Local 1285 plant chairman, told The Star's Chris Vander Doelen. "The wheels are off this train. It's derailed."

It boggles the mind that workers making $34-an-hour would indulge in brinkmanship with the Chrysler Group, a company that has lost buckets of money and could soon be auctioned off at a fire sale to be conducted by its corporate masters in Stuttgart, Germany.

It says plenty about the red-hot economy in the Brampton area, the fastest growing part of the greater Toronto region, that workers are prepared to roll the dice on their jobs in refusing to surrender some free money, 40 minutes pay per day for time not worked, and about 40 janitorial jobs.

If this were Windsor, where jobs outside the Big Three are scarce and low-paying, and where economic survival could require moving to Alberta, any sane individual would think long and hard before rejecting concessions sought by a company on the brink of being disowned and kicked out the door by a wealthy but disenchanted parent.

BLINDING GROWTH

Maybe it's different in Brampton. Maybe the blinding growth, soaring real estate values and myriad help wanted signs have convinced Brampton's DaimlerChrysler workers that they can tell their employer to get stuffed because life will go on pretty much as usual after a plant closing.

I remember Brampton when it was an attractive town of 20,000 surrounded by postcard-pretty horse farms with white picket fences and Canada's finest agricultural land. Now it's an ugly but prosperous asphalt hell zone, with a population that almost doubled from 1986 to 2001 and is set to soar from the current 440,000 to 650,000 by 2030. It begs a couple of questions: If DaimlerChrysler were to leave Brampton, poster child for urban sprawl, would anybody notice? And for how long?

Perhaps Brampton has outgrown car assembly. Perhaps it's time for DaimlerChrysler and the senior governments to reconsider pouring the better part of a billion dollars into the Brampton facility.

Don't laugh, but it could make more sense to sell the company's valuable Brampton site -- which would trigger a bidding war and a huge company windfall -- and relocate to a corner of the province where the cost of living is relatively low, housing and labour are abundant and the company already owns land and has its headquarters.

In other words, bring car assembly home and make Windsor once again the heart and soul of Chrysler production in Canada. A ridiculous pipedream? That's what some critics would call it. They claim no car maker in their right mind would locate a new plant here, given Windsor's track record of union militancy.

That might be true. But Chrysler isn't Toyota. It knows the CAW intimately and has a long history of working with the union.

No high-ranking union official could say this, since they must maintain the facade of solidarity. But if Brampton workers don't want those jobs, and it's now apparent many are prepared to try another line of work, then the least Windsor could do is roll out the welcome mat.

It would be a blessing in disguise for Brampton, which is struggling with malignant growth, massive traffic problems and inadequate infrastructure, and a miracle for Windsor with its dearth of activity and brutal jobless rate. Brampton workers who follow their assembly jobs to Windsor, as some surely would, would make fat profits by selling their homes and condos and buying dirt-cheap border real estate.

Sure. It's a wild-eyed fantasy. Product of a feverish mind. But if it works for nearly everyone involved, what's not to like?

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I remember Brampton when it was an attractive town of 20,000 surrounded by postcard-pretty horse farms with white picket fences and Canada's finest agricultural land. Now it's an ugly but prosperous asphalt hell zone, with a population that almost doubled from 1986 to 2001 and is set to soar from the current 440,000 to 650,000 by 2030. It begs a couple of questions: If DaimlerChrysler were to leave Brampton, poster child for urban sprawl, would anybody notice? And for how long?
hmmm... seems as though people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2007, 4:18 AM
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Arnold....you can't be comparing Windsor to Brampton??? You can't even compare Windsor to London or Kitchener in terms of hideous sprawl. They're all in completely different leagues than us (for now, anyway).
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2007, 2:16 PM
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Brampton is actually in a totally different league from London and Kitchener as well. This, of course, is not to say that Windsor, London or Kitchener does not have sprawl.

With respect to the Brampton Chrysler employees -- talking about biting the hand that feeds them. If this deal was offered today in Windsor, I think the workers would be excited to accept it.

I agree with Gord. Bring the jobs home to Windsor.

That being said, if anyone out there is from Windsor-Essex and in high school, don't put all your eggs in the auto industry basket!
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