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Old Posted Feb 21, 2007, 8:06 PM
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I was able to secure an appt for this Sunday. An hour after I got through, a friend of mine got through and the soonest opening was Wednesday. They said that they had initially had six phone lines setup, but were having technical difficulties. No pricing info was released on the phone (I tried!), but I did learn that they are pricing HOA dues @$.33/sqft.

If anyone here has a Saturday appt, please post pricing. If not, i will post late Sunday.
     
     
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When is the first estimated move-in date for 360? Anyone know when they are scheduled to finish?
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I'm wondering what your source is for pricing at 360. I demon-dialed them all day on Monday but could not get through to make an appointment. I even looked in at the sales center today and was told that they would not give out any docs or pricing until contract appointments. If anyone here was lucky enough to get an appointment for this next week - I'd love you hear about what you learn.
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I saw their documents last Fall when they were looking for financing. They need to average at least $350 PSF for the whole building to break-even. Naturally, they're trying to make a profit - so $400 PSF must be the target. Units in the lower third of the building start at $300 PSF and go to $400 PSF midrise and up to $500 PSF on the higher floors.

I saw the new floorplans today (more complete showing) and some are pretty good, while others really look like student housing. It isn't clear why. Have a look at them. The one-bedroom unit in the marketing center is not "typical" for the building - they have several variations.

I still believe the prices are very high for the quaility and level of finish at Novare 360 - it is very similar to Milago, which sold last year for only $250-300 PSF.

The next few weeks will be interesting. I think they need to get some pre-sales and try to create some momentum. They've never made their pricing public so, it's hard to tell what the real level of interest is.

I hope they are as successful as they have been in Atlanta, but their prices are 30-40% higher for 360 in Austin.

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I still believe the prices are very high for the quaility and level of finish at Novare 360 - it is very similar to Milago, which sold last year for only $250-300 PSF.
That's too bad since IMHO the Milago is very "apartmentish" from the floorplans to the interior details. The 360 definitely has advantages over the Milago in terms of the height of the building and the location and views. Not sure how much of a premium it justifies over the Milago, but it certainly justifies some premium.
     
     
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I saw their documents last Fall when they were looking for financing. They need to average at least $350 PSF for the whole building to break-even. Naturally, they're trying to make a profit - so $400 PSF must be the target. Units in the lower third of the building start at $300 PSF and go to $400 PSF midrise and up to $500 PSF on the higher floors.

I saw the new floorplans today (more complete showing) and some are pretty good, while others really look like student housing. It isn't clear why. Have a look at them. The one-bedroom unit in the marketing center is not "typical" for the building - they have several variations.

I still believe the prices are very high for the quaility and level of finish at Novare 360 - it is very similar to Milago, which sold last year for only $250-300 PSF.

The next few weeks will be interesting. I think they need to get some pre-sales and try to create some momentum. They've never made their pricing public so, it's hard to tell what the real level of interest is.

I hope they are as successful as they have been in Atlanta, but their prices are 30-40% higher for 360 in Austin.
Wow, you are so full of it. LookingUp – our own local troll. You spout these lies and think people are buying your garbage when in actuality you are a running joke. Please don’t stop whatever you do. I think it is hilarious, pathetic yes, but hilarious nonetheless.
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It would sure be interesting to track the demographics of everyone booking appointments at 360. Age and salary ranges and investor buyers vs home buyers placed in a nice pie chart would be enlightening.

Did anyone catch the article in the NY Times about the subprime home lenders? With a massive rise in defaults, it looks like the lending institutions are finally reaping what they sowed. So I expect we'll see the feds cracking down on all the loose lending practices that could make it far harder for individuals to qualify for mortgages.

It will be interesting to see if that has an impact on housing demands in downtown.
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Wow, you are so full of it. LookingUp – our own local troll. You spout these lies and think people are buying your garbage when in actuality you are a running joke. Please don’t stop whatever you do. I think it is hilarious, pathetic yes, but hilarious nonetheless.
If you disagree with some information, just say so. Have you seen the Novare 360 floorplans and prices? Enlighten us.
     
     
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It would sure be interesting to track the demographics of everyone booking appointments at 360. Age and salary ranges and investor buyers vs home buyers placed in a nice pie chart would be enlightening.
Everyone I've heard of who is excited about these, thinks they are are going to get a 1 bedroom/1 bath for $190k.
     
     
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If you disagree with some information, just say so. Have you seen the Novare 360 floorplans and prices? Enlighten us.
Greg dont waist your time. I dont think anybody really takes this guy serioulsly after all he is asking if you have seen the floor plans.
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The Hill Country Galleria "lifestyle" center in Bee Cave, TX has announced newly-signed tenants. Also their website has been updated (see photos below).

Here's the article from the Austin Business Journal:

http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2007/02/19/daily39.html?jst=b_ln_hl

Tenants sign on to Hill Country Galleria

Austin Business Journal - 10:20 AM CST Friday, February 23, 2007

A slew of retailers continue to sign on as new tenants in the Hill Country Galleria development set to open this fall.

The outdoor mall will bring about 930,000 square feet of shops and restaurants to a site on the north side of State Highway 71 between Bee Caves Road and RM 620. Developer Opus West, a division of Minnetonka, Minn.-based Opus Corp., began construction on the project last year. The company has recently secured deals with a series of retailers including Ann Taylor, New York & Co., Walgreens, Wells Fargo, Great American Cookie Co., Claire's, Team Spirit and Paciugo.

Retailers that had already signed leases for space include Dillard's (which will anchor the project with a 150,000-square-foot store), Barnes & Noble, Cinemark, Angel's Day Spa, Ann Taylor Loft, Cingular, Coldwater Creek, Eddie Bauer, Fish City Grill, Just Add Water, Pacific Sunwear, Talbot's, Wachovia and Zales.

The entire 1.3 million-square-foot project will also include nonretail components such as multifamily housing, an amphitheater, office space and a new Bee Cave City Hall.

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Im going to go out and do the tour of all the sales centers this weekend. My wife and i plan to look at the Shore 360 and Spring. Are there any other good ones to see? We did not get into the appoinment schedule for 360 so i dont know if they will even let us tour the center.
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I've gotten some information from Rhode Hurt, and CLB Partners on the dimensions of the tower that is planned at 7th & Rio Grande. They tell me it'll be 96 feet in the north/south direction, and 112 feet in the east/west direction, along West 7th Street. That makes it a very, very skinny building. The width of a typical downtown street is 80 feet wide, so it'll be just 16 feet wider than that. This doesn't include Congress Avenue which is wider than all other downtown streets at 120 feet wide.

This will make it just about one of the skinniest skyscrapers we have. 300 West Sixth by comparison is 156 feet in the north/south direction and 227 feet in the east/west direction along 6th Street.
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Greg dont waist your time. I dont think anybody really takes this guy serioulsly after all he is asking if you have seen the floor plans.
Are you working for Novare and/or do you have something valuable to add to the conversation? (Btw, "waist" is your pant size. Don't "waste" your next opportunity to be heard).

If you have an opinion on Austin projects, please share it. This forum is to gain a better understanding of proposed projects - everyone has something to say. You can agree or disagree. Nobody is "right." We all have our opinions. Adding some substance would be appreciated.

I think this Forum has been very useful and usually produces dialogue on projects before they're in the media. It is this type of conversation that is (IMHO) more valuable than what we learn in the media. It's not bought and paid for - it's real.

I would like to know what you think about the prices, quality and luxury of Novare 360 - even the floorplans. If you disagree with me - say it. Maybe I'm missing something.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2007, 3:17 AM
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Everyone I've heard of who is excited about these, thinks they are are going to get a 1 bedroom/1 bath for $190k.
There were only 4 units at less than $200,000 when I saw the unit-mix (last Fall). The average one-bedroom will be $250,000 or more. Two-bedrooms start at $350,000. The heavily promoted "starting at $190,000" was to create interest. The current reality is that BOTH the prices and quality of units has greatly reduced the number of potential buyers. It was 1400 - who knows what it is now?

I'd like Novare 360 to be successful, I just believe being honest "upfront" would have been a better sales strategy. What now happens in their Marketing Center will be enlightening. I hope they share that information. They need to create momentum - I think it's a challenge.
     
     
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Whoa. We're easily talking about new tallest buildings outside of downtown here folks. Up to twice the height of current tallest buildings outside of downtown.

Click the link below to see the map.

From the Austin American-Statesman
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/02/24/24domain.html

Developer plans minicity for second phase of the Domain in North Austin

By Kate Miller Morton
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Saturday, February 24, 2007

The sleek, high-end shops such as Neiman Marcus and Tiffany & Co., scheduled to open March 9 at the Domain shopping center, stand in sharp contrast to the gritty industrial and commercial buildings around them.

But Endeavor Real Estate Group's preliminary plans for the 177-acre second phase of the North Austin development could soon change that.

Endeavor plans to replace nearly a dozen aging, low-rise buildings and sprawling surface parking lots with as many as 50 residential, retail, office and parking structures ranging from two to 26 stories. A 9-acre park, an outdoor amphitheater and hike-and-bike trails are also planned.

Ambitious and expensive, the development envisioned along Burnet Road would require the city to significantly increase the maximum height and density allowed on the land and could require public incentives to offset some of the cost.

City leaders seem largely supportive of the project, which could give a serious boost to the city's wish to transform about 2,240 acres of sparsely populated and largely commercial and industrial property in the area into a compact minicity with as many as 82,000 residents and more than 50,000 workers in the next 25 to 30 years.

"It will become a major catalyst for the creation of our second downtown," City Council Member Brewster McCracken said of the project.

The Gateway/North Burnet planning area is widely viewed by city leaders, transportation planners and land planners as an ideal place for the type of large, compact mixed-use developments the city says it needs to accommodate a rapidly growing population without exacerbating sprawl.

Bounded by MoPac Boulevard (Loop 1), U.S. 183 and Metric Boulevard, and directly in the path of two potential passenger rail lines, the area has the transportation network needed to move large numbers of people.

Water, wastewater and utility services exist in the area. Although the city expects it to cost hundreds of millions of dollars to upgrade those services and local streets to handle the type of development it envisions, it would still be cheaper than starting from scratch in a suburban location.

And because the area is mostly commercial and has few residents, dramatically changing its character would likely draw little opposition from neighborhood groups.

"When you are talking about doing that in someone's backyard, it's much more difficult," Austin Planning Commission member Cid Galindo said.

Planning efforts are ongoing, and city staff members caution that projections of about 82,000 residents and 50,000 workers represent a best-case scenario if the entire area is developed according to the plan.

Endeavor plans to begin construction on the second phase of the Domain this summer starting with a six-story, 185,000-square-foot office building and a 238-unit apartment building of up to eight stories.

The developer asked the city to rezone the property to increase the maximum heights allowed from 120 feet to 310 feet. It is also sought permission to build slightly more square footage per acre than is allowed in the central business district.

The Planning Commission recommended approving Endeavor's request to amend its development agreement but with heights limited to 308 feet and density about equal to that downtown.

The City Council is scheduled to hear the proposal Thursday.

It is far from certain that Endeavor will be able to achieve its vision even if it is able to win city approval for its requests.

High-density, mixed-use developments are significantly more expensive to build than traditional suburban developments, and the second phase of the Domain promises to be especially challenging.

Buildings must be demolished, integrated street grids built and utility lines relocated. Structured parking garages will be many times more expensive to build than surface lots, and the planned development would require dozens of them.

Endeavor is likely to ask the city for incentives to help defray costs, but it has not made any specific proposals.

"We are exploring that possibility," Endeavor principal Kirk Rudy said. "It's a very expensive undertaking."

It would not be the first time Endeavor asked for public money to offset the costs of a large project.

In 2003, the city agreed to rebate $37 million in sales and property taxes over 20 years for the first phase of the Domain. Travis County agreed to rebate as much as $9.3 million in property taxes in the same period.

But Endeavor has developed many large traditional, low-density retail and office projects in Central Texas without requesting public incentives, including the 1.6 million-square-foot Southpark Meadows shopping center at Slaughter Lane and Interstate 35.

Rudy said Endeavor owns the property for the second phase of the Domain and will build something there with or without public money.

But if Endeavor has to shoulder all of the costs, he said, the project will look much more like Southpark Meadows with its low-rise buildings and surface parking lots than the second downtown the city envisions.

McCracken said the city probably would be open to discussing reimbursements for public facilities needed in and around the Domain project, including park systems, roads and water lines, but would not entertain subsidies for Endeavor's operational expenses such as rent subsidies.

The city paid for much of the public infrastructure upgrades at the 711-acre former Robert Mueller Municipal Airport including roads, water and wastewater lines, and recently agreed to finance and own a parking garage at the mixed-use redevelopment of the Seaholm Power Plant downtown.

The city is already considering how to fund the costly upgrades to city services and facilities needed to support the high-density development called for in the Gateway/North Burnet plan.

McCracken said numerous financing options are being discussed including setting aside a portion of sales and property taxes generated by development in the area.

McCracken says a second downtown is inevitable given Austin's projected growth. The question is whether it will become a compact, attractive and efficient area like the city's original downtown, which generates far more tax revenue than it consumes in services, or consist of miles of sprawling office parks, retail centers and gated low-rise apartments like those around the Galleria in Houston or Las Colinas in Dallas.

"We can sit on our hands and hope that some day we are able to pass a bond package that would allow us to build the water pipes, and then hope once we put in the water pipes, streets and sidewalks, that development will follow, or we can have dynamic financing structures in place to create our second downtown now and create it with affordable housing, green building, integrated transit and a park system," McCracken said.

So far, the city's calls for high-density development in the area have met with little opposition, though dissent is sure to increase as details about rezoning, height restrictions and land entitlements are discussed in the spring.

Scott Peterson, a resident of the nearby Scofield Farms neighborhood, is concerned that the mixed uses and availability of mass transit won't be enough to get people to give up their cars, placing tens of thousands of new drivers on already congested streets near his home.

"If people can't live without their cars, then basically it makes this area much more congested," Peterson said. "Other areas might benefit because the population growth didn't happen in their area, but in this area it will be total gridlock."

Planned development

The Domain Phase I

Acres: 57

Retail: 700,000 square feet

Office: 75,000 square feet

Apartments: 400

Scheduled to open: March 2007

The Domain Phase II

Acres: 177

Retail: 1.2 million square feet

Office: 3.5 million to 4 million square feet

Apartments and condos: 4,000 to 6,000

Maximum height: 308 feet

Scheduled to start: Summer 2007

Estimated build-out: 15 years

City planners envision high-density, mixed-use development in the 2,243-acre Gateway/North Burnet planning area that in 25 to 30 years could eventually include as many as:

81,904 residents

41,158 apartments, condominiums and townhouses

0 single-family homes

51,536 jobs

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Whoa. We're easily talking about new tallest buildings outside of downtown here folks. Up to twice the height of current tallest buildings outside of downtown.
Thanks for the update on that, Kevin. I was doing a little more hunting for project details and came across an interesting map of stores going into the Domain.

It's interesting how the place is lacking a grocery store for its residents. There's a lot of upscale shopping and fine dining there, but how many times will the "locals" be eating at McCormick and Schmicks? Perhaps they should squeeze in a Dean and Deluca for all those gourmet food shoppers, or a Trader Joe's for the poor folk like me.
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Thanks for the update on that, Kevin. I was doing a little more hunting for project details and came across an interesting map of stores going into the Domain.

It's interesting how the place is lacking a grocery store for its residents. There's a lot of upscale shopping and fine dining there, but how many times will the "locals" be eating at McCormick and Schmicks? Perhaps they should squeeze in a Dean and Deluca for all those gourmet food shoppers, or a Trader Joe's for the poor folk like me.
Well, that map is a bit out of date since they did lure a dean & deluca type store to the domain. It's called "Oakville Grocery", and it comes from Napa, CA:

http://www.simon.com/mall/event_details.aspx?ID=1207&EID=55914

Also, Whole Foods is planning on building a new store similar to their downtown very close to the domain within the next 2 years.

I'm curious as to why The Domain decided to be all rentals instead of some condos?
     
     
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Can someone put this place on a map in relation to downtown?
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