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Old Posted Feb 23, 2007, 12:26 AM
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alright, i'm coming to chicago! will be out in the suburbs on thursday (near allstate insurance headquarters), but then will be coming into the city for friday and saturday nights (getting a hotel). btw, does anybody know how to get...say a W hotel room or nice hotel at a comfort in price. i know Chicago has awesome boutique hotels.
in any case i'm so excited to see your awesome skyline and hope to see as much as i can (without freezing). i plan on checking out millennium park. at night where is a great place to go for bars. u can tell me where the lounges and stuff are too, but nice neighborhood establishments are great. u can private message me with this info so as not to ruin ur skyscraper thread.
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Looks like the facade might be going up soon on Parkview West. 600 North LSD is in the background.

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Old Posted Feb 23, 2007, 1:27 PM
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155 North Wacker - 200 N. Riverside

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Yes - the article was in Crain's a couple weeks ago - $290 million in loans from 2 or 3 major lenders plus $80 million in equity. I don't think we need to worry about this one going forward - the demand for the newest class a office space is very strong and I think the lending community has great confidence in Buck's ability to deliver this type of building (this is especially evidenced by the fact that only about 20% of the space is pre-leased - assuming the deal with Skadden Arps has been signed - I haven't heard definitively yet)...
I attended an Urban Land Institute event yesterday on sustainable development in which representatives from Buck and Hines spoke. The Buck guy effectively mentioned the anchor lease hadn't yet been signed as of that time for 155 Wacker. He gave planned dates of April 1st and July 1st for demolition and groundbreaking. Also, the Hines person showed a sort of generic interior rendering of their next tower - the Lake and Canal site, which (I forget if it's been mentioned here before) he referred to as 200 N. Riverside....
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Anyone know what's happening at 340 OTP? Did they run out of windows or something?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2007, 1:42 AM
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Also, the Hines person showed a sort of generic interior rendering of their next tower - the Lake and Canal site, which (I forget if it's been mentioned here before) he referred to as 200 N. Riverside....
Interesting. Today I saw a couple of people gathered along the banks of the Chicago River guiding a remote controlled helicopter. It was hovering about 40 feet above the ground and looked to be taking pictures, perhaps to simulate the view one would have from a new highrise building.

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Also, the Hines person showed a sort of generic interior rendering of their next tower - the Lake and Canal site, which (I forget if it's been mentioned here before) he referred to as 200 N. Riverside....
Alright, more ULI people! I met a guy from Hines at ULI event and he showed a model and a few renderings of that site. He said that the building was going to happen "soon, after they get 300 N LaSalle moving more rapidly" He also said that right now they are building it on spec. I don't know if that is just code for "we haven't found an anchor yet, but are supremely confident we will". Pretty gutsy, but the design is awesome. It incorporates a public area along the east edge making up the river walk. This element is the part that spans the rails. The design had some large arches imposed on the bottom and top of the building. That is about all i remember. I want to say they used the same designer from 300 N. LaSalle. Pickard?
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Correct me if Im wrong, but wasn't the site of canal between randolph and washington (assuming thats where 200 N riverside is) along the river the Medici towers site? Is that plan scrapped officially?

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Anyone know what's happening at 340 OTP? Did they run out of windows or something?
That's what I had been wondering as well, as they stopped installing windows on the west side for several weeks. However, as of about a week ago they resumed, and now they only have the top 2 floors to go (on the west)...
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2007, 4:19 AM
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Alright, more ULI people! I met a guy from Hines at ULI event and he showed a model and a few renderings of that site. He said that the building was going to happen "soon, after they get 300 N LaSalle moving more rapidly" He also said that right now they are building it on spec. I don't know if that is just code for "we haven't found an anchor yet, but are supremely confident we will". Pretty gutsy, but the design is awesome. It incorporates a public area along the east edge making up the river walk. This element is the part that spans the rails. The design had some large arches imposed on the bottom and top of the building. That is about all i remember. I want to say they used the same designer from 300 N. LaSalle. Pickard?
Interesting - I wonder if they'd seriously consider going completely spec. I'd say it's at least plausible as long as the downtown office market continues to show steady improvement. I mean, this is certainly one of, if not the best office site out there, and considering the fact that Buck is currently pushing the envelope with a launch with only 20% pre-leasing, and considering Hines' local track record over the last 5 years, it could happen...of course with that said I also wouldn't be surprised if the land an anchor tenant pre-launch sometime this year or next...
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Correct me if Im wrong, but wasn't the site of canal between randolph and washington (assuming thats where 200 N riverside is) along the river the Medici towers site? Is that plan scrapped officially?
Medici Towers would be built along the river between Lake and Randolph. 200 North Riverside would be built north of Lake Street between the Riverbend Condo building and the elevated.

Eventually...Chicago's description sounds very interesting. I can't wait to see this one; it does sound great. I am excited that this might get underway some time soon, but I still wish they would consider a mixed-use project here. It would be nearly effortless to lease those apartments or sell those condos, I'd bet. Ending the river cooridor with a big, Trump-towerish Bang would be worth the extra effort IMO. It would be a truly signature tower for Hines too.

Riverbend didn't sell that well, surprisingly, but I believe it was priced a bit too high and had some strange design complexities that might have turned people off. There were some problems delivering it on time too, if I recall.
     
     
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-That's the old Levi site, correct?

I was disappointed with how Riverbend cuts off the horizon when you look down the river, to my mind that view corridor should have been protected. But now that it's there, a big bang S of it would be great, and it'd obscure the Left Bank apts.

Riverbend's site is so narrow that it only has E facing condos (except for the S corner), which is not exactly an optimal use of space. And they didn't have space for a car ramp, so a valet has to park your car by elevator...

Here is something I did last night, hope it's not too big... red for u/c, blue for proposed. Bold for known height, italic for estimated/not yet approved height. Some smaller projects omitted for now. Anything big I missed???

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Yeah, that's the Levi site.

Re: your graphic, nice job. I didn't realize until I looked it over that the P+W/CMK project is taller than the Columbian. !
     
     
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-That's the old Levi site, correct?

I was disappointed with how Riverbend cuts off the horizon when you look down the river, to my mind that view corridor should have been protected. But now that it's there, a big bang S of it would be great, and it'd obscure the Left Bank apts.

Riverbend's site is so narrow that it only has E facing condos (except for the S corner), which is not exactly an optimal use of space. And they didn't have space for a car ramp, so a valet has to park your car by elevator...

Here is something I did last night, hope it's not too big... red for u/c, blue for proposed. Bold for known height, italic for estimated/not yet approved height. Some smaller projects omitted for now. Anything big I missed???
Small comment, 1000 S. Michigan is 425'. That is a firm height limit. I've seen 429' thrown around elsewhere and am curious where that came from.
     
     
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Interesting - I wonder if they'd seriously consider going completely spec. I'd say it's at least plausible as long as the downtown office market continues to show steady improvement. I mean, this is certainly one of, if not the best office site out there, and considering the fact that Buck is currently pushing the envelope with a launch with only 20% pre-leasing, and considering Hines' local track record over the last 5 years, it could happen...of course with that said I also wouldn't be surprised if the land an anchor tenant pre-launch sometime this year or next...
Perhaps they are betting on premium rents...


Office vacancy report a study in contrasts
Newest towers doing great, but many others are suffering from lack of tenants and falling rents

By Susan Diesenhouse
Tribune staff reporter
Published February 24, 2007


Although downtown Chicago office buildings have slogged along with relatively flat rental rates for six years, the newest towers are generating significantly higher rents and have much lower vacancy rates than the average property, according to a new Skyline Review to be released next week for the Chicago market by Jones Lang LaSalle Inc.

Like similar reports that the real estate firm issues for Washington and Boston, the publication for Chicago, which will come out every spring and fall, graphically depicts the top downtown towers, their total square footage, how much space they have available and where in each building the space is located.

The report also contains statistical and analytical material on office leasing, rents, development and sales activity.

"It's a new visual and statistical way to understand the market," said Bill Rogers, a Jones Lang LaSalle managing director for tenant representation. "We're always looking for different and better ways to analyze it."

The Chicago publication highlights 51 towers. Each has more than 750,000 square feet and is either in a high-profile location, architecturally significant, has an especially well-known tenant, or was built or substantially renovated since 1985, Rogers said.

The overall average asking rent for the downtown office market at the end of 2006 was $26.83 a square foot, including taxes and operating expenses, a bit less than the $27.27 a square foot achieved four years earlier, according to Jones Lang LaSalle.

But in recently completed towers, tenants have leased space at rates that are at least 30 percent higher.

For instance, 111 S. Wacker Drive, a 1 million-square-foot, 51-story tower completed in 2005, has an average annual rent of about $36 a square foot, which includes $9.75 for taxes and operating expenses.

At 71 South Wacker, a 1.5 million-square-foot, 47-story tower completed in 2004, the average rent is about $46 a square foot, but that includes almost $19 for taxes and expenses, according to the research firm CoStar Group.

While these trophy properties are generating solid income flow, average downtown asking rents are thought likely to remain flat without strong job growth that would encourage tenants to seek more space.

Meanwhile, the proportion of space available for lease or sublease throughout the central business district at the end of 2006 was 14.3 percent, according to Jones Lang LaSalle. That is close to 50 percent higher than the 10 percent vacancy rate that characterizes a healthy office market.

But at 111 S. Wacker a mere 0.5 percent is available, and at 71 S. Wacker just 7.4 percent of the space remains to be leased, according to CoStar.

"This shows a flight to quality, especially among large corporate tenants to whom image is important and the latest technology is vital," Rogers said

Furthermore, once completed, many of these new buildings have been sold relatively quickly for strong prices.

Last May the 830,000-square-foot tower at 1 S. Dearborn St., completed in 2005 and more than 90 percent leased, sold for $350 million, or $422 a square foot.

This would seem to make the lure of new development irresistible in the 132.3 million-square-foot downtown market. In fact, about 4 million square feet of new office space is being built or planned for delivery in the next three years.

As a result, rents are likely to remain flat and landlord concessions generous for the foreseeable future, the report says.

As the Skyline report concludes, despite the substantial benefits of owning a new tower, "generally, it's a good time to be an active tenant in the Chicago office market."
     
     
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On a related note...

Daley touts Chicago's financial well-being
City remains healthy in midst of change

By Robert Manor
Tribune staff reporter

February 22, 2007

As Mayor Richard Daley seeks a sixth term in next week's election, he touts his leadership of a city that is economically vibrant, having evolved from an industrial colossus to a global player in professional services, finance, transportation and tourism.

But while Daley may be the most powerful big-city mayor in the country, when it comes to Chicago's vitality, he is also the servant of factors beyond his control.

He cannot control interest rates, and it was low mortgage rates that ignited the city's yearslong housing boom. Nor can he directly influence the draw of global investment that has made Chicago a global capital of the financial derivatives industry.

Comfort for business

What Daley can do is make it comfortable for the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and other businesses to operate. And in broad ways--by making the city look beautiful and operate efficiently, and by cultivating ties with the business community--he has done this.

"Overall, by keeping the snow shoveled, the streets repaired, that is the only way to get people back into the city and businesses to locate here," said John Kenward, a senior bond analyst for Standard & Poor's studies Chicago finances.

Preliminary federal government figures show that Chicago's unemployment rate dropped to approximately 5.3 percent last year, making it one of the very best years for jobs in the city for at least two decades. However, that prosperity is not evenly spread. The city has many impoverished neighborhoods.

At the Tribune's request, William Testa, senior economist of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, analyzed one of the most vulnerable sectors of the economy: manufacturing.

"It is shocking," Testa said, after examining state labor data. "There is hardly any manufacturing left."

In 1986, statistics show, there were more than 239,000 manufacturing jobs within the city limits. By 2006, that number had fallen to just over 85,000.

"Every large central city in the U.S. and probably the world has been losing manufacturing," Testa said. "You just don't do [manufacturing] in congested places. It is too expensive."

Daley has tried to preserve factories. For example, the city used zoning to reserve 14 Planned Manufacturing Districts. Manufacturing was defined loosely so that high-tech companies and research and development firms could locate there as well. The city says 71,000 people work in the districts.

Was it worth the time and effort to try to keep manufacturing jobs in the city?

"Without it, I think, you would see a more precipitous decline than we have already seen," said Greg Schrock, research associate at the Center for Urban Economic Development of the University of Illinois at Chicago.

But Schrock said that where Daley has the most impact is on enhancing Chicago as a place to visit. The city has seen increasing strength in tourism, business and convention travel.

"Millennium Park was certainly helpful in that regard, creating an iconic public space," he said.

Visitors, whether from Springfield or Singapore, need a place to stay and a place to eat.

Hotel industry grows

"The hotel industry has grown significantly," Schrock said. Hotel and restaurant jobs often do not pay as well as manufacturing jobs, but Schrock said they often pay better than other entry level jobs and are more likely to offer some medical benefits.

According to figures provided by Schrock, the number of hotel and accommodations workers rose to nearly 96,000 in 2005, compared to fewer than 88,000 in 2000.

The mayor often likes to point to the downtown Theater District as a sign that Chicago is becoming a destination for culture and entertainment, which in turn draw new residences.

"Chicago provides the quality of life that attracts well-educated professionals," the mayor said in written comments provided to the Tribune. "They want to live in the city so they can take advantage of the theater, museums, music, dining and other cultural attractions that the city has to offer. They like to walk or ride their bikes along the lakefront, maybe go out in a boat or attend a concert in Millennium Park."

Where John Kenward, the analyst, sees weakness is that while the educated are moving in to take professional employment, local residents lack needed skills.

"There is a mismatch," Kenward said. "A lot of the [city] residents don't have the skills to take the jobs."

One measure of Chicago's health is the vacancy rate of its downtown office buildings. Lower vacancy rates, besides enriching landlords, are a sign of economic vitality.

"The market is improving," said Arthur Oduma, a senior equity analyst for Morningstar.

"But Chicago still has a much, much higher vacancy rate compared to cities like Manhattan," Oduma said.

He said the national vacancy rate for comparable central business districts is about 11 percent. In the Chicago market, he said, it is closer to 15 percent.

The real estate firm Cushman & Wakefield is optimistic about the Chicago market, at least in the short term.

Service industry grows

"Economists' predictions of a strengthening market due to increased job creation in the service industry are proving to be true," the company said.

Chicago is a growing center for global professional services.

Keying on that fact, Daley recently announced the city would open a new economic development office in Shanghai.

One economic observer said Chicago's increasing globalization makes sense.

"The city is moving into exportable services, engineering, law, finance and computing software design," said Donald Jones, vice president of RCF Economic and Financial Consulting Inc.
     
     
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Medici Towers would be built along the river between Lake and Randolph. 200 North Riverside would be built north of Lake Street between the Riverbend Condo building and the elevated.

Eventually...Chicago's description sounds very interesting. I can't wait to see this one; it does sound great. I am excited that this might get underway some time soon, but I still wish they would consider a mixed-use project here. It would be nearly effortless to lease those apartments or sell those condos, I'd bet. Ending the river cooridor with a big, Trump-towerish Bang would be worth the extra effort IMO. It would be a truly signature tower for Hines too.

Riverbend didn't sell that well, surprisingly, but I believe it was priced a bit too high and had some strange design complexities that might have turned people off. There were some problems delivering it on time too, if I recall.

Do we have any height information on this proposed building?
     
     
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Do we have any height information on this proposed building?
You know, i want to say it was in the 60-ish range but, I got only a 20 minute glipse of it last fall. I wish i was a more active thread participant at the time so i would have sneaked a few cell phone shots of it.

I don't imagine we will hear or see anything about this building until Hines feels comfortable with the leasing of 300 n. lasalle. Why would they want to one up their own building?
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Sentinel,
The Chicago under 12 thread was closed, and combined with the Chicago general developments thread. So you should post that there.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=105764
     
     
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