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Old Posted Feb 6, 2007, 11:34 PM
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I don't understand the politics of it all, but if SL County already decided against spending the hotel tax money on a stadium, how in the hell can the governor and the state legislature take it away from the county and spend it on a stadium anyway? The whole scheme seems pretty crooked to me. ......Then again, so do a lot of things that the Utah Legislature does.
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the headline to the article on KSL.com about huntsman encouraging lawmakers to support the stadium has changed. the article is the same but the title now states that RSL will stay in Utah, but it is up to checketts now.. does that mean the measure passed?
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Huntsman, legislative leaders agree on soccer deal

Now its up to the Senate

By Bob Bernick Jr. and Lisa Riley Roche
Deseret Morning News
Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. and legislative leaders, hoping to meet a Friday deadline, are all pushing a deal to keep the Real Salt Lake soccer team in Salt Lake County.
House Speaker Greg Curtis, R-Sandy, and Senate President John Valentine, R-Orem, met privately with Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. on Monday night.
They came out of the meeting, Curtis said Tuesday morning, united in what must be done to keep the professional soccer team in Utah and playing in a new stadium in Sandy.
Curtis said the ball is now in the Senate court. "If (Valentine) can get the votes, we're done."
Curtis said top state officials talked to team owner Dave Checketts last Friday, and through his lobbyists, Sue and Cap Ferry, agreement was reached this week on how to proceed financially.
"I said before that I was stepping back" from pushing a Real Salt Lake agreement until other state leaders stepped forward, Curtis said. "But I'm engaged again, and I'll talk to my (House Republican) caucus, and I think we can get this all done" in the House.
Meanwhile, Checketts is scheduled to meet with St. Louis investors today about the possibility of moving the team there.
In Utah, Senate Republicans are set to tackle the soccer deal again today after spending nearly two hours talking about it Monday in a special caucus without reaching agreement. The discussion could spill over into their Thursday caucus, as Valentine has described the Senate GOP as split.
Huntsman is calling for a House bill setting aside a portion of the transient room tax collected in Salt Lake County for a parking garage in Sandy to be amended to extend the tax diversion an additional five years, through 2022, to raise the $15 million needed to purchase land for the stadium.
The bill, HB38, has been passed by the House but has yet to secure a Senate sponsor. It would have to be amended in the Senate to extend the transient room tax sunset to buy land in Sandy, and then returned to the House for agreement on the amended version.
Complicating the issue is a Friday deadline Huntsman announced to the Deseret Morning News last week at the same time he outlined the proposed deal.
In a statement released Tuesday, the governor said, "Real Salt Lake has become a proud part of our community and it is imperative for the Legislature to act now in order to keep this tremendous asset here in Utah." Huntsman also urged the Senate to amend HB38 and the House to concur, in order to honor the commitments made to Real and Utah.
"We must work together to make this a reality," he said. "This project will enhance our quality of life, especially for the hundreds of thousands of Utah youth who play soccer."
Depending on the results of today's Senate GOP caucus decision, the bill could come up for a vote before the full Senate this afternoon.
Because of the Friday deadline, the bill will not go through the regular committee process in the Senate, said Sen. Sheldon Killpack, R-Syracuse, the bill sponsor.
The Salt Lake County Council is scheduled to consider an interlocal agreement with the state that will most likely revolve around the county handing back the $20 million that the Legislature authorized the county to use for a parking garage at the South Towne Exposition Center and renovations at the Salt Palace.
However, the council is hesitant to do so without a promise from the Legislature that the county will not be punished by other pending legislation, like a proposal to divert $15 million of the county's restaurant tax. Huntsman told the Deseret Morning News last Friday that the state deal had to be finished by this coming Friday, or Checketts may sell the team to bidders in St. Louis or Philadelphia.
"The funding for (HB38) would go through the governor's department of economic development; the oversight is there," said Curtis.
The governor also said that, "it is important for everyone to understand the proposal at hand: we are not building a stadium with state taxpayer money. This is an economic development investment in valuable property and a valuable community asset."
Huntsman said, "The transient room tax (TRT) is placed on hotel rooms and rental cars, paid by visitors to Salt Lake County and used to help fund tourist-related resources and facilities. This plan uses just 15 percent of that tax, while the rest is dedicated to other Salt Lake County projects."
The amended bill would direct $20 million of previously approved TRT funds, set aside in 2005 to build a parking structure for the South Towne Expo Center, and an additional $15 million for the purchase of land and public infrastructure.
Sandy Mayor Tom Dolan said having both the House and Senate majority leaders on board can only help the stadium project. "You can't ask for more support," Dolan said.
But the mayor acknowledged that some lawmakers — especially in the Senate — still need to be sold. Whether Curtis and Valentine can round up
enough votes remains to be seen. "All I can say, is I hope they can," Dolan said.
The Sandy mayor praised the governor's involvement in the stadium deal. "I think it's very important the governor has weighed in on this project. There's a lot of misinformation about it. He sees it's important for the whole state."

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so when is the senate vote?? come on senate!
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I am listening to KSL right now. They are saying the vote will happen any minute now.

I think the whole RSL staying in Utah is resting on the senates shoulders right now. I hope they stand strong and get this passed.
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Senate Passed the bill.
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Passed? it's done??? now up to checketts?
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2007, 11:52 PM
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It is now on Checketts table to accept the deal or sell the team.

I really hope he does the right thing and accepts the deal. Don't screw everyone because 1 person decided to you along Dave...Build the stadium and keep the team in Utah...
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how pissed off would I be if the state ok's the financing of the stadium and after all that work Checketts still sells to STL..
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I think a lot of us would be pissed off if he sold the team after all that we have gone through as a state to keep the team here.

It does show that the state is behind sports, even if Corroon isn't.
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Governor Huntsman has done an amazing job. Of course, amazing to those of us who are anxious to see REAL stay in Utah. I'm positive Checkett's will go with the Governors good-will and private counsel.
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20-8-1
Yes votes
Bramble
Eastman
Jones
Stowell
Buttars
Fife
Killpack
Van Tassell
Christensen
Goodfellow
Knudson
Waddoups
Davis
Greiner
McCoy
Walker
Dmitrich
Hickman
Niederhauser
Valentine

No votes
Bell
Hillyard
Mayne
Romero
Dayton
Jenkins
Peterson
Stephenson

Absent
Madsen

Of the no's, it was 6-2 Republican, but suprisingly the vote tally ended up exactly the same as had it been along party lines.

It will now go to the house for final approval

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I told you guys that the Gov. gets things done!!!

Come on Checketts, take the deal.


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So they're basically going against the will of the SL County leadership and against the will of the people? Not sure I'd be thrilled with that.

At least when we spent taxpayer money on a new stadium for the Cardinals, it was put to a vote of the people. That stadium made sense because it will allow the Phoenix area to host the Super Bowl, BCS Championships, Final Fours, etc., as well as numerous conventions, shows, concerts, and other events.

A 20,000-seat stadium in SLC doesn't really serve any purpose not already served by other facilities in SL Valley, and the evidence indicates that people are overwhelmingly against a deal like this. I'm not sure why these politicians think what they are doing is a good idea.
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20-8-1
Yes votes
Bramble
Eastman
Jones
Stowell
Buttars
Fife
Killpack
Van Tassell
Christensen
Goodfellow
Knudson
Waddoups
Davis
Greiner
McCoy
Walker
Dmitrich
Hickman
Niederhauser
Valentine

No votes
Bell
Hillyard
Mayne
Romero
Dayton
Jenkins
Peterson
Stephenson

Absent
Madsen

Of the no's, it was 6-2 Republican, but suprisingly the vote tally ended up exactly the same as had it been along party lines.

It will now go to the house for final approval
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I think a lot of us would be pissed off if he sold the team after all that we have gone through as a state to keep the team here.

It does show that the state is behind sports, even if Corroon isn't.
The State of Utah is and has been rated for many years as among the most fiscally responsible in the nation. Utah also has had for many years and still has currently, one of a hand full of the hightest bond ratings of any state in the nation. They didn't earn that honor by being a bunch of irresponsible spendthrifts.

I'm with you Makid,SLC Projects,Wrendog and all those on this forum who want to see REAL stay in Utah.
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State Senate approves measure that would keep soccer in Utah

By Lisa Riley Roche, Amelia Nielson Stowell and Leigh Dethman
Deseret Morning News
It took two tries today — and a hastily called closed-door caucus among majority Republicans — but in the end, the state Senate gave final approval today to a bill Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. said was needed to keep the Real Salt Lake soccer team from leaving Utah.
The bill must still be approved again by the House, because it was amended. That vote could come quickly, if House members decide to suspend their rules or, if not, on Thursday.
"I guess I'd better get busy, but we have some time" before the Friday deadline announced last week by the governor, said House Speaker Greg Curtis, R-Sandy.
Senate President John Valentine, R-Orem, was visibly pleased with the 20-8-1 vote, throwing up his hands and cheering during a meeting in his office with reporters.
"The record speaks for itself. We got 20 votes," Valentine said.
Now, Valentine said, it's up to the participants in an inter-local agreement the Governor's Office of Community and Economic Development, Sandy city and the team to work out the details of the deal, including what's needed to ensure the team doesn't leave Utah.
The bill bypasses Salt Lake County altogether.
Early talks pegged the county to give back $20 million to the state for a parking garage, through an inter-local agreement was expected to have been discussed Tuesday. That part of the deal was tossed, however, after concerns over who would own the land.
Instead, the county will keep the $20 million, and the state will get a total of $35 million by taking 15 percent of the county's hotel-tax revenue for the next 20 years.
Salt Lake County Mayor Peter Corroon said today that he didn't approve of the Legislature's moves on the stadium deal. However, he said, he knows the Legislature holds the purse strings to the hotel-tax revenue and can fund the stadium without the added incentives the county would have received.
"It's their prerogative," Corroon said.
"We looked at it and didn't feel it was viable," he added. "The Legislature decided they wanted to gamble."
Even so, Corroon said, "I stand by my decision, as much as I want soccer to be here."
The Salt Lake County Council voted today to support the amended bill that would take $35 million in hotel-tax revenue that would have gone into county coffers and instead fund land and infrastructure for the stadium.
Councilman Joe Hatch said it was the best way to keep everyone happy.
"They wanted $35 million, and what we want is to be through and done with it. Let's use this bill, that does it," Hatch said. "We're out of the soccer business."
Sandy Mayor Tom Dolan said he was "pleased" that the bill went through the Senate successfully today. If the bill passes the house, Dolan said, team owner Dave Checketts has given his word that the team will stay in the state.
"Dave Checketts has told me that if this happens, they'll stay in Utah, as he's always been committed to Utah," Dolan said. "We have the governor behind it, so we're almost there."
Team officials declined comment.
However, public officials are racing against the clock. They have until Friday at noon. And a lucrative offer from St. Louis is on the table.
Checketts met today in St. Louis with Jeff Cooper, a lawyer who is managing partner of Simmons Cooper. The lawyer pitched what he called a "fair and realistic offer" to purchase the team. He is hoping to have an agreement by Friday.
"The truth is (Real leaders are) very good people who put together a very good franchise, and any city would be lucky to have the team," Cooper said. "Hopefully St. Louis is that city."
Huntsman Jr. and legislative leaders, hoping to meet a Friday deadline, are all pushing a deal to keep the Real Salt Lake soccer team in Salt Lake County.
Curtis said top state officials talked to Checketts last Friday, and through his lobbyists, Sue and Cap Ferry, agreement was reached this week on how to proceed financially.
"I said before that I was stepping back" from pushing a Real Salt Lake agreement until other state leaders stepped forward, Curtis said. "But I'm engaged again, and I'll talk to my (House Republican) caucus, and I think we can get this all done" in the House.
The bill, HB38, has been passed by the House and was amended in the Senate to extend the transient room tax sunset to buy land in Sandy. It now will be returned to the House for agreement on the amended version.
Complicating the issue is a Friday deadline Huntsman announced to the Deseret Morning News last week at the same time he outlined the proposed deal.
Huntsman pressured lawmakers to make a decision Tuesday with a statement that said, "Real Salt Lake has become a proud part of our community and it is imperative for the Legislature to act now in order to keep this tremendous asset here in Utah."
"We must work together to make this a reality," he said. "This project will enhance our quality of life, especially for the hundreds of thousands of Utah youth who play soccer."
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So they're basically going against the will of the SL County leadership and against the will of the people? Not sure I'd be thrilled with that.

At least when we spent taxpayer money on a new stadium for the Cardinals, it was put to a vote of the people. That stadium made sense because it will allow the Phoenix area to host the Super Bowl, BCS Championships, Final Fours, etc., as well as numerous conventions, shows, concerts, and other events.

A 20,000-seat stadium in SLC doesn't really serve any purpose not already served by other facilities in SL Valley, and the evidence indicates that people are overwhelmingly against a deal like this. I'm not sure why these politicians think what they are doing is a good idea.

there is a major difference.. this wasn't taxes on the people and it wasn't needed to be put up to a vote. And against the will of the people? all we have is a 250 person informal poll..
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Utah poised to OK a Real deal

Senate passes bill; House approval may come today


By Lisa Riley Roche, Amelia Nielson-Stowell and Leigh Dethman
Deseret Morning News
The last vote could come as soon as today on a bill Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. said must be passed by Friday to keep the Real Salt Lake soccer team from leaving Utah.
It took two tries Tuesday — and a hastily called, closed-door caucus among majority Republicans — to get final approval from the Senate on HB38. The bill still must be approved again by the House because it was amended in the Senate.
Lawmakers have little time to waste. Huntsman told the Deseret Morning News last week and stressed again in a press release issued Tuesday that the deal had to be done by Friday or face losing the team.
"Gov. Huntsman was very pleased with the solid support soccer received in the Senate," his spokesman, Mike Mower, said, adding that the governor "is optimistic that the soccer stadium funding proposal will be well-received by the Utah House."
Huntsman, who warned that the team would be headed to St. Louis or even Philadelphia if the Friday deadline weren't met, is ready to sign the bill as soon as it passes the House, Mower said.
Real officials had no comment Tuesday on the bill, which would enable the team to construct a stadium in Sandy. Team owner Dave Checketts was in St. Louis Tuesday, talking to a prospective buyer about purchasing the team.
The Senate initially balked at giving final approval to the bill after amending it, suggesting they might want to make further changes. But Senate President John Valentine, R-Orem, instead called a caucus meeting of Senate Republicans.
Senators came back about a half-hour later and passed it by a vote of 20-8-1, after several senators made statements in support of the bill. One complained that lawmakers were being asked to act too quickly.
The Senate sponsor, Sen. Sheldon Killpack, R-Syracuse, said the $35 million needed would come from hotel-room taxes largely paid by visitors. "I just have a hard time seeing that as a negative thing," Killpack said.
Sen. Mike Waddoups, R-Taylorsville, said, "the agreement is the best that can be reached" and lawmakers "have to put some faith in our county leaders, our governor and those people who have negotiated the deal that's before us."
But Sen. Ross Romero, D-Salt Lake, said said he was "frustrated this is coming so fast" and that the soccer deal wasn't the best use of the hotel taxes. "This is very important money we're dealing with," he said, money perhaps better spent on a stadium at the Utah State Fairpark.
The Salt Lake City Council on Tuesday approved a resolution pledging $8.5 million for a soccer stadium at the Fairpark if negotiations for a Sandy site fall through.
As amended, HB38 sets aside $35 million of the transient room taxes collected in Salt Lake County over the next 20 years to build a parking garage and purchase land in Sandy that will be used for the stadium.
The House vote could come quickly, if members decide to suspend their rules or, if not, by Thursday.
"I guess I'd better get busy, but we have some time," before the Friday deadline, House Speaker Greg Curtis, R-Sandy, said. Curtis has been a key backer of the legislative plan, which surfaced after Salt Lake County Mayor Peter Corroon turned down a similar deal.
Corroon said that he didn't approve of the Legislature's move on the stadium deal. However, the mayor said, he knows the Legislature holds the purse strings and can fund the stadium without the added incentives the county would have received.
"We looked at it and didn't feel it was viable," Corroon said. "The Legislature decided they wanted to gamble."
Even so, Corroon said, "I stand by my decision, as much as I want soccer to be here."
Sandy Mayor Tom Dolan said he was "pleased" the bill went through the Senate successfully Tuesday. If the bill passes the House, Dolan said, Real Salt Lake owner Checketts has given his word that the team will stay in the state.
"Dave Checketts has told me that if this happens, they'll stay in Utah, as he's always been committed to Utah," Dolan said. "We have the governor behind it, so we're almost there."
However, backers of the deal are racing against the clock as a lucrative offer from St. Louis is on the table.
Checketts Tuesday met with Jeff Cooper, managing partner of Simmons Cooper, and who pitched what he called a "fair and realistic offer" to purchase the team. Cooper also is hoping to have an agreement by Friday.
"The truth is they're (Real leaders) very good people who put together a very good franchise and any city would be lucky to have the team," Cooper said. "Hopefully St. Louis is that city."
County council members Randy Horiuchi and Michael Jensen observed the Senate vote and debates from the gallery Tuesday.
Horiuchi said he is positive the bill will pass the House because House Speaker Greg Curtis, R-Sandy, has been a "principle engineer" of the deal.
He added that the county pledged their support for a soccer stadium during the 2006 Legislative Session and he thinks there are lingering upset feelings because the county did not stick with their commitment.
"Quite frankly, had we not said that last year, that we would have supported this, the Legislature would have found some way to do it then," he said. "We've drug the community through a one-year war on soccer."
The Legislature bypassed Salt Lake County altogether.
If the bill is approved, it will be up to participants in an inter-local agreement — the Governor's Office of Economic Development, Sandy city and the team — to work out the details, including penalties to ensure the team doesn't leave Utah.
Early talks pegged the county to give back $20 million to the state for a parking garage, through an interlocal agreement. That part of the deal was tossed, however, after concerns over who would own the land.
Instead, the county will keep the $20 million it has already bonded for, and the state will take 15 percent of the county's hotel-tax revenue, or $35 million, for the next 20 years.
"This is the cleanest way to do it," Jensen said.
The County Council voted Tuesday to support the amended bill.
Councilman Joe Hatch said it was the best way to keep everyone happy.
"They wanted $35 million, and what we want is to be through and done with it. Let's use this bill, that does it, Hatch said. "We're out of the soccer business."
Now the county can use the $20 million for other needs. Jensen said one possibility is bond for $45 million instead of the $65 million county voters approved this November for recreation facilities through the Zoo, Arts and Parks tax. The county could also just pay back the bond, or use it to help make payments on other bonds used for Salt Palace expansion.
Although Huntsman has said it would take through 2022 to collect the $35 million needed for the deal, the bill was amended by the Senate to continue taking a share of the hotel-room taxes through 2027.
Killpack said he added another five years to the governor's proposal at the request of the county. Apparently, the extra time was needed to ensure the bonds that will be issued to buy the land are paid off.
State leaders promised the county they would not take any more than the $35 million needed for land and infrastructure.
"They were always looking for $35 million, nothing more," said Doug Willmore, the county's chief administrative officer.



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there is a major difference.. this wasn't taxes on the people and it wasn't needed to be put up to a vote. And against the will of the people? all we have is a 250 person informal poll..
I'm so tired of seeing that argument. Taxes is taxes, and if money is pulled out of the collective pot to pay for X, then the people will have to make up for X out of their own pockets one way or another. That hotel tax $ could have been used for something that the public in general at least has a passing interest in. Uh...like me. Or something.
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