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Good News, Salt Lake Real 2nd only to L.A. Galaxy in paid attendance. Still a lot of room for improvement in overall MLS attendance.

At MLS games, announced figures often include large numbers of free tickets plus inflated totals
By Mark Zeigler
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
September 27, 2006

MLS President Mark Abbott confirmed that the league tracks paid and complimentary tickets but declined to comment “on specific numbers” from the report. However, several current or former league employees verified its authenticity.

It shows that while the 11-year-old league has made strides in several areas – the construction of soccer-specific stadiums, additional sponsors and investors, new national television contracts with ABC/ESPN and Univision – the cornerstone of any pro sports league may be lagging: the number of people actually buying tickets to view the product. Only one team, the Los Angeles Galaxy, had an average paid attendance above 13,000 last season, and six of the 12 teams were below 10,000.

“No league, including ours, is satisfied with the number of people who see (games),” Abbott said in a telephone interview yesterday, “and we're going to work to increase that number. But it's only one small part of the measurement of the league.”

Other findings from the attendance report:

Nearly 600,000 free tickets were distributed last season, or an average of 3,090 per match. The Columbus Crew and Real Salt Lake each gave out more than 9,000 freebies to a single match, and three other clubs handed out 7,000-plus. In one early-season FC Dallas match against Colorado, 1,259 tickets were sold and 7,347 were comps.

On average, announced attendance was 9 percent higher than the total number of tickets distributed and at some games close to 50 percent higher despite MLS' stated policy of using tickets distributed to determine its announced attendance figures.

The L.A. Galaxy easily outdistanced its MLS brethren in ticket sales last year, with an average paid attendance of 19,940. The next best team was Real Salt Lake at 12,689. FC Dallas was last at 6,634.

Chivas USA sold the equivalent of 2,279 season tickets in its inaugural season and gave away more than twice that number (4,821 per match).

The league-wide paid attendance at midweek matches was 6,477 when you factor out international doubleheaders, a potentially troublesome statistic considering the league's new contract with ESPN2 calls for the televised game of the week to move from Saturday afternoon to Thursday nights next season. Abbott said “there's going to be a focus to build the crowd” for those matches.

The literal definition of attendance is the actual number of people attending an event, but sports organizations have long skewed that by reporting inflated numbers. Major League Baseball announces tickets sold, whether or not they are used. Most other leagues announce tickets distributed, including those handed out for free.

MLS claims it is among the latter, using the “industry standard” of tickets distributed for official attendance figures. Its 2006 media guide says “a record 2.9 million fans attended MLS regular season games” in 2005. But the Game Attendance Summary reports only 2.65 million total tickets were distributed, and of those just over 2 million were paid tickets.



Advertisement In 166 of the 192 regular-season matches last season, according to the MLS document, the announced attendance was higher than the number of tickets distributed. In 11 straight matches at Columbus, it was exactly 1,000 people higher.
That conflicts with what Abbott, the MLS president, told the Union-Tribune in May in an article about the vagaries of attendance reporting across all sports.

“(MLS teams) aren't faking the numbers,” Abbott said then. “We know this from the reports we get from the tickets distributed. It's not happening.”

In yesterday's interview, Abbott said the discrepancy – an average of 1,272 per game – can be explained by fans using vouchers to gain entrance to games or credentialed personnel, which don't count in the tickets-distributed figures.

However, current or former employees with three different MLS clubs said fans with vouchers must exchange them for a hard ticket that is recorded as a ticket distributed. They also said credentialed media and staff would account for approximately 200 people per game.

The Game Attendance Summary is clearer about complimentary tickets, which comprised 22 percent of tickets distributed to MLS matches last year. That is closer to what minor league sports give out. Industry experts estimate that the percentage of freebies at NBA, NHL or Major League Baseball games is significantly lower.

The number of comp tickets also seemed to increase as the season progressed, according to the MLS ticket report. In one September game hosted by expansion franchise Real Salt Lake, there were 6,443 paid tickets and 9,391 comps. The announced crowd that night was 17,876.

Sports marketing experts have long debated the strategy of “papering the house,” or inflating crowds by distributing free tickets. Some say it helps expose people to your product and enhance in-stadium atmosphere with a larger crowd; others say it devalues your paid ticket and ultimately chips away at consumer confidence.

Abbott said comps are distributed so fans can “sample the product” and also are regularly part of sponsorship packages.

“There is a role for comps,” Abbott said, “and it's important to make sure they are used in a valuable way. ... Is there a point where there are too many comps? At some point, a team could reach a level where we are not comfortable with it and we would have a conversation about it.”

Asked if such an incident had ever happened, Abbott said he could not remember one.

Several sources said the MLS Game Attendance Summary, which is updated regularly, is provided to investors but not to sponsors. And at least one MLS sponsor said it isn't bothered by that.

“Actual game attendance is only one of many factors that we as sponsors consider before we get involved with a particular entity,” said RadioShack spokesman Charles Hodges. “We have a lot of ancillary activities that go well beyond the game. ... We're well aware of how many bodies are in the stands. It's not a problem for us.”


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The numbers
A look at attendance figures for the 12 Major League Soccer teams from the 2005 season. The numbers come from the "Game Attendance Summary," a confidential MLS document obtained by the Union-Tribune that is updated regularly. It provides a snapshot of average paid tickets and complimentary (free) tickets, and how that compares to the official attendance figure announced to fans:

Team Paid att. Comps Total distributed Announced
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Chicago Fire 12,104 2,523 14,628 17,238

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Chivas USA 12,121 4,821 16,942 17,080

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Colorado Rapids 8,058 3,485 11,543 13,638

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Columbus Crew 8,608 3,735 12,342 12,916

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FC Dallas 6,634 3,864 10,498 11,189

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Kansas City Wizards 7,004 1,917 8,921 9,691

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Los Angeles Galaxy 19,940 3,214 23,155 24,329

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New England Revolution 9,725 1,472 11,197 12,525

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MetroStars* 9,956 3,776 13,732 15,077

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Real Salt Lake 12,689 3,009 15,697 18,037

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San Jose Earthquakes** 10,134 2,077 12,211 13,037

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D.C. United 11,982 3,186 15,169 16,664

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That is good news. During the first season for RSL being here in Salt Lake we had the 2nd best record of ticket sells.
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Good News, Salt Lake Real 2nd only to L.A. Galaxy in paid attendance. Still a lot of room for improvement in overall MLS attendance.

At MLS games, announced figures often include large numbers of free tickets plus inflated totals
By Mark Zeigler
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
September 27, 2006

MLS President Mark Abbott confirmed that the league tracks paid and complimentary tickets but declined to comment “on specific numbers” from the report. However, several current or former league employees verified its authenticity.

It shows that while the 11-year-old league has made strides in several areas – the construction of soccer-specific stadiums, additional sponsors and investors, new national television contracts with ABC/ESPN and Univision – the cornerstone of any pro sports league may be lagging: the number of people actually buying tickets to view the product. Only one team, the Los Angeles Galaxy, had an average paid attendance above 13,000 last season, and six of the 12 teams were below 10,000.

“No league, including ours, is satisfied with the number of people who see (games),” Abbott said in a telephone interview yesterday, “and we're going to work to increase that number. But it's only one small part of the measurement of the league.”

Other findings from the attendance report:

Nearly 600,000 free tickets were distributed last season, or an average of 3,090 per match. The Columbus Crew and Real Salt Lake each gave out more than 9,000 freebies to a single match, and three other clubs handed out 7,000-plus. In one early-season FC Dallas match against Colorado, 1,259 tickets were sold and 7,347 were comps.

On average, announced attendance was 9 percent higher than the total number of tickets distributed and at some games close to 50 percent higher despite MLS' stated policy of using tickets distributed to determine its announced attendance figures.

The L.A. Galaxy easily outdistanced its MLS brethren in ticket sales last year, with an average paid attendance of 19,940. The next best team was Real Salt Lake at 12,689. FC Dallas was last at 6,634.

Chivas USA sold the equivalent of 2,279 season tickets in its inaugural season and gave away more than twice that number (4,821 per match).

The league-wide paid attendance at midweek matches was 6,477 when you factor out international doubleheaders, a potentially troublesome statistic considering the league's new contract with ESPN2 calls for the televised game of the week to move from Saturday afternoon to Thursday nights next season. Abbott said “there's going to be a focus to build the crowd” for those matches.

The literal definition of attendance is the actual number of people attending an event, but sports organizations have long skewed that by reporting inflated numbers. Major League Baseball announces tickets sold, whether or not they are used. Most other leagues announce tickets distributed, including those handed out for free.

MLS claims it is among the latter, using the “industry standard” of tickets distributed for official attendance figures. Its 2006 media guide says “a record 2.9 million fans attended MLS regular season games” in 2005. But the Game Attendance Summary reports only 2.65 million total tickets were distributed, and of those just over 2 million were paid tickets.



Advertisement In 166 of the 192 regular-season matches last season, according to the MLS document, the announced attendance was higher than the number of tickets distributed. In 11 straight matches at Columbus, it was exactly 1,000 people higher.
That conflicts with what Abbott, the MLS president, told the Union-Tribune in May in an article about the vagaries of attendance reporting across all sports.

“(MLS teams) aren't faking the numbers,” Abbott said then. “We know this from the reports we get from the tickets distributed. It's not happening.”

In yesterday's interview, Abbott said the discrepancy – an average of 1,272 per game – can be explained by fans using vouchers to gain entrance to games or credentialed personnel, which don't count in the tickets-distributed figures.

However, current or former employees with three different MLS clubs said fans with vouchers must exchange them for a hard ticket that is recorded as a ticket distributed. They also said credentialed media and staff would account for approximately 200 people per game.

The Game Attendance Summary is clearer about complimentary tickets, which comprised 22 percent of tickets distributed to MLS matches last year. That is closer to what minor league sports give out. Industry experts estimate that the percentage of freebies at NBA, NHL or Major League Baseball games is significantly lower.

The number of comp tickets also seemed to increase as the season progressed, according to the MLS ticket report. In one September game hosted by expansion franchise Real Salt Lake, there were 6,443 paid tickets and 9,391 comps. The announced crowd that night was 17,876.

Sports marketing experts have long debated the strategy of “papering the house,” or inflating crowds by distributing free tickets. Some say it helps expose people to your product and enhance in-stadium atmosphere with a larger crowd; others say it devalues your paid ticket and ultimately chips away at consumer confidence.

Abbott said comps are distributed so fans can “sample the product” and also are regularly part of sponsorship packages.

“There is a role for comps,” Abbott said, “and it's important to make sure they are used in a valuable way. ... Is there a point where there are too many comps? At some point, a team could reach a level where we are not comfortable with it and we would have a conversation about it.”

Asked if such an incident had ever happened, Abbott said he could not remember one.

Several sources said the MLS Game Attendance Summary, which is updated regularly, is provided to investors but not to sponsors. And at least one MLS sponsor said it isn't bothered by that.

“Actual game attendance is only one of many factors that we as sponsors consider before we get involved with a particular entity,” said RadioShack spokesman Charles Hodges. “We have a lot of ancillary activities that go well beyond the game. ... We're well aware of how many bodies are in the stands. It's not a problem for us.”


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The numbers
A look at attendance figures for the 12 Major League Soccer teams from the 2005 season. The numbers come from the "Game Attendance Summary," a confidential MLS document obtained by the Union-Tribune that is updated regularly. It provides a snapshot of average paid tickets and complimentary (free) tickets, and how that compares to the official attendance figure announced to fans:

Team Paid att. Comps Total distributed Announced
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chicago Fire 12,104 2,523 14,628 17,238

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Chivas USA 12,121 4,821 16,942 17,080

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Colorado Rapids 8,058 3,485 11,543 13,638

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Columbus Crew 8,608 3,735 12,342 12,916

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FC Dallas 6,634 3,864 10,498 11,189

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Kansas City Wizards 7,004 1,917 8,921 9,691

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Los Angeles Galaxy 19,940 3,214 23,155 24,329

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

New England Revolution 9,725 1,472 11,197 12,525

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MetroStars* 9,956 3,776 13,732 15,077

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Real Salt Lake 12,689 3,009 15,697 18,037

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San Jose Earthquakes** 10,134 2,077 12,211 13,037

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D.C. United 11,982 3,186 15,169 16,664

Thanks for the info, Delts. Earlier in this thread, and I think in another, you essentially said too many VIPs (my term, not yours) were invested in seeing SL Real succeed. Do you think that has changed at all given the recent turmoil?

It sounds to me like Gov. Huntsman is one of those who would like to see this team stay. But, I have no firm knowledge of that. Delts, do you know of any past articles, conferences etc. where Gov. Huntsman and others, who can bypass those in the State Legislature and Mayor Corroon, have gone on record about their desires for SL Real?
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FC dallas had worst attendance? they have a brand fricken new stadium.. that sucks.
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Thanks for the info, Delts. Earlier in this thread, and I think in another, you essentially said too many VIPs (my term, not yours) were invested in seeing SL Real succeed. Do you think that has changed at all given the recent turmoil?

It sounds to me like Gov. Huntsman is one of those who would like to see this team stay. But, I have no firm knowledge of that. Delts, do you know of any past articles, conferences etc. where Gov. Huntsman and others, who can bypass those in the State Legislature and Mayor Corroon, have gone on record about their desires for SL Real?
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Governor Fights To Keep Real In Utah

Despite Monday's announcement, it is not a foregone conclusion that Real Salt Lake is leaving Utah. In fact, several groups are brainstorming and working on deals right now. Not the least among them is Governor Jon Huntsman, who spoke exclusively to FOX13's Sandy Riesgraf.

GO TO: www.myfoxutah.com TYPE IN SEARCH ENGINE, "Governor fights to keep real in utah." Click article title to view interview.

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N2I.F.,You asked if given the current turmoil the Governor was still interested in keeping REAL in Utah.

REAL is an important piece of the Governor's puzzle for Utah's future international trade appeal. Soccer is an important international sport and a tool of invaluble connection with soccer crazed fans,(powerful and immensely wealthy businessmen abroad.)We are fortunate to have a Governor who is one of, if not the most well connected internationally of any Governor in the U.S. We are already starting to reap the rewards and will continue to see a lot more as a result of his and his families strong international business and diplomatic connections abroad. Soccer is an important cultural commonality used by a diplomatically gifted Hunstman.
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That is good news. During the first season for RSL being here in Salt Lake we had the 2nd best record of ticket sells.
The first season of a new sport in town almost always draws well. There's an excitement about the new team, and many people buy tix just to check out the product, or to be able to say they've been. Then it tapers off from there. So if RSL thinks they're going to be able to expand on the first season numbers, I think they're sorely mistaken. I'd be very surprised if they have much more than 10,000 per game in paid attendance.

It happens in almost all sports, and the lack of interest in soccer in the U.S. will make it even worse for RSL.
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The first season of a new sport in town almost always draws well. There's an excitement about the new team, and many people buy tix just to check out the product, or to be able to say they've been. Then it tapers off from there. So if RSL thinks they're going to be able to expand on the first season numbers, I think they're sorely mistaken. I'd be very surprised if they have much more than 10,000 per game in paid attendance.

It happens in almost all sports, and the lack of interest in soccer in the U.S. will make it even worse for RSL.
if the team gets sold to st louis, they will average 5k this year at best.. if they stay, they will average over 10k for sure and when the new stadium is built, the attendance will be 15k+ for the first year or two and then taper to around 13k.. that's my guess.
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...and yet you blame Corroon and the citizens for their decision? The citizens are the ones whose money would be spent on this--and (according to the poll) they don't want to see their money spent on it. I applaud Corroon for making the hard choice, but the right choice. If the legislators or other officials go around him and the voters to build this thing anyway, that's fine...but I still think it's a bad choice for the Wasatch Front for this particular point in time. We're not filling the sports venues we already have--why build another?

I mean--if it goes in at the Fairgrounds, and it's a big pretty building, I'll be as excited as anyone else to see it built and leave all this in the past--I just don't want to see attendance remain at the current pathetic levels, and RSL fail and leave town anyway.
I targeted Corroon, not for his decision (which I do disagree with), but for his reasoning. They were only $7 million off. Which I think could have been worked out if Corroon had tried to work things out with Checketts. SL County was willing to put some money into this project, but he's using the excuse of it not being financially viable as the reason to quit. What was the risk to SL County even if RSL defaults? They have a parking garage and infrastructure which could be used for many other things. You have a stadium, parking, business, etc. already in place.

Corroon just quit the process.

Many in Utah want RSL to stay and have picked up the project from off the floor where Corroon left it and are trying to save RSL. It's not necessarily a financial decision, but a benefit to Utah decision.

I'm not saying that RSL is on the best financial footing. My problem is the way it has been handled. All sides deserve some criticism over that.
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I'm not saying that RSL is on the best financial footing. My problem is the way it has been handled. All sides deserve some criticism over that.

I can agree with that.

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SL county had it coming.

From KSL.com:

Is the state looking to take the money and the power back? Salt Lake County councilman Randy Horiuchi shrugs his shoulders, says he knows the county basically had it coming.
Randy Horiuchi: "On our side, in many ways, it basically wasn't managed as well as it could've been. So if we end up having a fall out on us, in some ways, you know, we may be pretty responsible for it. We are very concerned about accountability and transparency."

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Interesting, that says a lot coming from Horiuchi. I've always admired him as a straight shooter.
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Senate GOP split on Real funding

Legislators try again today to reach a decision about team

By Lisa Riley Roche and Amelia Nielson-Stowell
Deseret Morning News
Despite nearly two hours of discussion behind closed doors Monday, Senate Republicans still haven't decided whether the state should take action to keep the Real Salt Lake soccer team in Utah.
GOP senators were split on the issue, said Senate President John Valentine, R-Orem, so they'll try again today to reach an agreement on a deal brokered by Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. to use hotel-room taxes to help pay for a Sandy stadium.
"Some people are very, very opposed to it. Some people very, very for it. We've got caucus members who are on both sides," Valentine said of the 21 of 29 senators who are Republicans. "I think it'll come down to a tight vote on the floor."
Lawmakers are under the gun to make up their minds quickly. Huntsman has said action must be taken by Friday or the team will leave the state for the St. Louis area or, possibly, Philadelphia. In fact, negotiations are already under way to move the team.
Team owner Dave Checketts is expected to fly to St. Louis today, where managing partner Jeff Cooper of Simmons Cooper is expected to give a formal offer to purchase the team and also present details of where a soccer stadium could be built in numerous suburb locations around St. Louis.
Team officials had no comment Monday.
Valentine said Huntsman asked for the caucus to decide by today whether it will advance the needed legislation. "We feel like the deadline is approaching and we need to make a decision," Valentine said.
The governor met briefly with Valentine after Monday's caucus to talk about questions raised by senators about the proposal, including whether the state would own the land that would be purchased with $15 million in transient room taxes collected through 2022.
"We're working to address some of the questions presented by legislators," said Huntsman's spokesman, Mike Mower. "This is a matter that needs to be addressed this week. Governor Huntsman is optimistic that the Legislature will expedite the review of this important proposal."
Valentine said senators want to make sure the mechanism proposed by Huntsman makes sense. Valentine is expected to have answers from the governor's office in time for today's noontime caucus.
The House has already passed a bill that would set aside transient room taxes for a $20 million parking facility. But that bill, HB38, would have to be amended in the Senate to set aside the additional $15 million needed for the stadium project.
"I think all of us agree that the parking garage was a commitment made two years ago," Valentine said. "The question is: Will we take that next step?" So far, he said, there is no Senate sponsor for the House bill.
Huntsman has called for extending the collection of a portion of the transient room taxes collected in Salt Lake County for an additional five years beyond the 2017 already set in the bill to raise money for the purchase of the land for the stadium.
County officials today plan to consider an interlocal agreement with the state that was still being drafted on Monday. Backers said it would only be for the parking-garage portion of the deal.
A copy of the interlocal agreement was still not available Monday evening. Drafts have been shown to House Speaker Greg Curtis, R-Sandy, who has been sending them back to the county to be redrafted, council members said.
The agreement will most likely revolve around the county handing back the $20 million that the Legislature authorized the county to use for a parking garage at the South Towne Exposition Center and renovations at the Salt Palace. HB38 authorized the state to use the money and build the parking garage, and the interlocal agreement is "a technical way to give them the money that they've taken," Salt Lake County Mayor Peter Corroon said.
"The governor and the Legislature are essentially running the show," he added. "We're not sure where this will ultimately end up."
Councilmen Joe Hatch, a Democrat, and Michael Jensen, a Republican, are pushing the agreement as a "good faith" measure on the county's part, after the county denied Real's initial funding plan last week.
"If this fails, it will be the state of Utah that has to deal with it, not Salt Lake County," Hatch said.
Council chairman Mark Crockett said that if the state is directing the county to participate, the county has no choice but to go along.
"The only remaining question I have is: If the state is asserting the stadium is a state priority, then why is it only one county that is paying for it?" he said.
He added that the county would never have approved the state's funding plan because of the amount of tax money the county would lose. The Real funding plan that Corroon turned down last week called for two $10 million payments that were several years out.
Now, Crockett said, the reduction in tax revenue for the county begins right away. That will make money tight for other cultural and recreation projects, and Crockett said the county will have to look elsewhere for more money.
The Sandy City Council also plans to meet today to pass a resolution expressing intent that the stadium be built there and that the city is prepared to aid the stadium financially.
That resolution says that if the first phase of the soccer project is built, with the $110 million stadium, Sandy can contribute $10 million in community development agency (CDA) dollars. If the project increases to a total cost of $135 million, with a hotel and broadcast studio, Sandy can then contribute $15 million in CDA funds.
The Utah State Fairpark site proposed by Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson as an alternative location was also discussed by the legislative caucus Monday, Valentine said, but the focus was on the Sandy site.
The fairpark option is "running kind of a parallel track at this point," Valentine said. "It doesn't require the immediate approval of the Legislature, as the transient room tax proposal does."
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Rocky's stadium offer increases to $12.5 million

By Doug Smeath
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As state and local leaders continue hashing out plans to salvage a Real Salt Lake soccer stadium in Sandy, Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson's offer to help the team build at the Utah State Fairpark has become costlier.
The mayor's proposal, which will be considered this evening by the City Council, now calls for $12.5 million in city money. When the proposal was released Friday, it spelled out $8 million in funding, but the team has since noted a $2 million increase in the costs of adapting architecture and steel fabrication for the fairpark.
An additional $2.5 million makes up for conservative estimates in the original city plan, Anderson's economic adviser Alison McFarlane said.
Anderson has characterized his offer as a "second option" rather than an effort to preempt Sandy negotiations. He has said that he supports the Sandy site and just wants to keep the team in Utah. But in an e-mail to the council, he wrote that he sees the fairpark idea as "a far better deal for the state than the Sandy proposal."
The money for the fairpark option would come from a number of city funds and would be repaid by the future sale of surplus property, tax-increment funding and $1 million a year worth of promotion for the city, to be provided by the team over the next 50 years. The mayor has suggested that some of the money might come from a sales-tax bond.
The city is also looking for other sources of funding, including a possible donation by US Bank through the federal New Market Tax Credits program. The bank has used the program to donate to Salt Lake projects in the past, including most recently the Sorenson Unity Center on the city's west side.
Anderson has touted the fairpark site as a way of revitalizing the North Temple corridor and bringing regional and national visitors to the city. He also said the stadium would pay property taxes, estimated to bring in $330,000 yearly for the city. The fairpark is owned by the state, so facilities currently there do not pay property tax.
Under the deal, the team would divert $7.5 million it had planned to give for a sports complex in the city's northwest corner toward the stadium. Salt Lake County Mayor Peter Corroon, in turning down a proposal that called for county hotel-tax revenue to help fund a Sandy stadium, said the county would give $7.5 million for the sports complex.
City Council members are largely supportive of the fairpark plan, although some have expressed questions about certain elements of it.
Councilman Dave Buhler, in an e-mail to the mayor and others, called the fairpark "the best location for the soccer stadium." But he said he wanted to see the county and state playing more of a funding role, because it would be a regional facility.
He wrote, "I doubt very much that I would support a sales-tax bond."
Councilman Carlton Christensen, whose district includes the fairpark, also said he wants to see the county and state kick in more money.
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"Despite nearly two hours of discussion behind closed doors Monday, Senate Republicans still haven't decided whether the state should take action to keep the Real Salt Lake soccer team in Utah."



Well those guys better make up their minds soon. RSL could be sold any day now.
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Rocky, Miller spar over RSL subsidy

Miller had scoffed at comparisons, but he received bigger subsidies than offered for soccer

Jazz owner, critical of Checketts, got more for his arena than would go toward a Fairpark stadium


By Heather May
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 02/06/2007 12:18:46 AM MST


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When Jazz owner Larry Miller's lease is up on the venue's land in 2040, Salt Lake City, through its Redevelopment Agency, will take control of the arena and the property.
It's just one part of the deal the city brokered with Miller when he sought a taxpayer subsidy to help build the arena in 1990.
Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson outlined such details to City Council members in hopes of persuading them to give Real Salt Lake a similar package if the Major League Soccer team wants to build a stadium at the Utah State Fairpark.
Miller has bristled at subsidy comparisons between the Jazz and RSL. And no wonder: Miller got more for his arena than RSL owner Dave Checketts would receive for a Fairpark stadium. And if Checketts picks Sandy, RSL's subsidy - when adjusted for inflation - would be close to Miller's.
Anderson calls Miller's comments last week to reporters - in which Miller called Checketts' plans ill-conceived - "mind-blowing."
"I can understand somebody else saying they don't believe in government assistance to private businesses," the mayor said Monday. "You only have to look at the facts to see that Larry Miller's basketball team and baseball team would not be here without many millions of dollars in public subsidies."
"I think it's really nice that David's got a champion in Rocky," retorted Miller on Monday night at halftime during the Jazz-Bulls game at the EnergySolutions Arena.
Anderson wants to offer Checketts $12.5 million for a Fairpark soccer venue. Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. is pushing a stadium in Sandy with subsidies topping $50 million.
According to figures provided by Anderson, here's what Utah's capital did for Miller in 1990:
* Issued an approximate $25 million bond (roughly equivalent to $38.6 million in 2006 dollars) to pay for land under the basketball venue and associated infrastructure. To pay off the bond - the final installment is in 2015 - the RDA spends $2.3 million a year. That amount that will balloon to $7.5 million a year in the last seven years.
* Arranged a dollar-a-year lease on land for the arena.
While Miller has said he is paying back the bond, that isn't entirely accurate.
He pays property taxes, which help pay part of the bond. It's impossible to say whether other developments spurred by the arena have generated enough property taxes to pay the rest.
"To a small degree, his property taxes would retire a small portion of the debt," said Valda Tarbet, acting director of the city's RDA. It's "not a substantial amount."
Miller sees it differently.
"We are paying it back through the tax increments. I haven't seen anything where Checketts is willing to do the same thing. All I see is him with his hand out asking for money," he said.
At the end of Miller's 50-year lease, in 2040, the RDA will take over the land and the arena - though the venue could be woefully outdated by then.
"It's uncertain what the value of that stadium, at the end of 50 years, will be," Tarbet said.
Salt Lake City also subsidized construction of Franklin Covey Field, which Miller now leases as owner of Triple-A baseball's Salt Lake Bees.
The RDA spends $600,000 a year to pay off an $18 million bond on the stadium. Eventually, the RDA will pay $1.7 million a year. The city also underwrites the baseball venue's annual operations, by $100,000 a year.
Those costs used to run more - $300,000 - but the city reworked the deal after Miller bought the baseball team in 2005.
"I reduced that subsidy," Anderson said. "It has not been eliminated. Larry Miller didn't want it reduced. So much for not wanting government help with private business."
Miller said the lease payments he makes for Franklin Covey Field have gone up during Anderson's tenure.
"We're paying triple what we were paying before Rocky," he said.
It's not unusual for RDAs to help subsidize private-business ventures. Salt Lake City is pitching in money for a new office tower on Main Street and West Valley City helped the Newspaper Agency Corp., which handles printing, advertising and circulation for The Salt Lake Tribune and Deseret Morning News.
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I thought there were two excellent opinions pieces in the paper today, both asking why we need a stadium. First, from the editor of the Deseret News:

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660192952,00.html

Why the push for a stadium?

Deseret Morning News editorial

Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. needs to explain to Utah taxpayers why an independent analysis by Economic Research Associates is incorrect. He needs to explain exactly why he remains committed to pushing a soccer stadium deal the firm said would be a bad public investment.
For that matter, Huntsman and other political leaders need to explain exactly why a rejection of the stadium, and the subsequent departure of Real Salt Lake to either St. Louis or Philadelphia, would be, as Salt Lake Mayor Rocky Anderson put it, a "black eye" for the community.
Ever since Salt Lake County Mayor Peter Corroon had the audacity to put the public purse ahead of professional sports by rejecting the stadium deal, politicians in this state have been scurrying to make the stadium happen anyway. Now the governor says everyone has until Friday of this week to give RSL the money before the team moves. But a couple of points seem to have been lost in all the panic.
The first is that taxpayers do exist at various levels. In other words, there are no federal taxpayers, county taxpayers and state taxpayers. Every adult in Utah answers to all the above. Corroon was elected to guard Salt Lake County's budget. He decided, with the help of experts such as ERA and the county's debt review commission, that the stadium deal would amount to gambling with public funds. Now state lawmakers, with the governor's support, are working on a plan that would take money from the county and do virtually the same thing as the deal Corroon rejected. But the county would be left with the debt and loss of revenue.
This goes beyond micromanaging. It would be just plain irresponsible governing. Unless, that is, the people pushing this plan can provide convincing empirical evidence, on the order of ERA's thorough research, as to why a stadium would be a good investment.
The other lost point is that, rather than being a maverick, Corroon is following a nationwide trend in which communities are beginning to reject public handouts to wealthy professional team owners. If his decision was a black eye to the county, what was a decision by Seattle voters, by an overwhelming 74 percent, to reject a new NBA basketball arena last fall? That the Sonics are threatening to move to Oklahoma after 40 years in Seattle.
What was the overwhelming rejection of a new Kings arena by voters in Sacramento, Calif., last fall, which may mean the loss of their NBA team? What was a 72 percent vote in Pasadena, Calif., to reject public funding for a renovation of the Rose Bowl that would have been used to attract an NFL team? What was the defeat of a soccer stadium ballot item in Overland Park, Kan.?
It seems black eyes are popping up all over the landscape. Either that or people are getting fed up with paying taxes for pro sports. Opinion polls have shown Utahns strongly support Corroon's decision. The governor and others need to explain why that's wrong.






And then from one of their columnists, Doug Robinson:

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660192999,00.html

The stadium that simply wouldn't die

By Doug Robinson
Deseret Morning News

The last thing you want to read, hear or see is anything more about Real Salt Lake and the never-say-die, soccer-stadium/concert arena.
So this column will not be about The Stadium, because enough is enough already.
However, if I were going to write about The Stadium, which I'm not, I would probably marvel at this fact: Nothing can make it go away. It's made more comebacks than Cher. It's like Dracula: Nobody can kill it.
Not Peter Corroon, the Salt Lake County mayor who said no, then yes, then no.
Not the Salt Lake County Debt Review Committee, which voted unanimously against funding it with public money because, after looking at RSL's business model — which included sell-out games, sell-out concerts and escalating ticket prices — the committee decided the plan had more holes in it than Dennis Rodman.
Not an independent financial consultant's report that said the same thing.
Not a front-page newspaper story that said Get Real to RSL's dreamy plan to put on more than a dozen concerts annually that would sell 17,000 tickets — a feat accomplished in Utah only 11 times in five years.
Not 2 1/2 years of futility of trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together, unsuccessfully, which ought to tell the politicos something but doesn't.
Not polls that show 59 percent of the people are against public funding of the stadium, or that 70 percent of the people supported Corroon's decision last week to reject the use of public funds for the stadium.
This thing is like a bad cold or Hillary Clinton — it refuses to go away. You probably thought Corroon's rejection was the last nail in the coffin. Silly you.
But of course I'm not going to write any more about Real Salt Lake, because we're all sick of hearing about it. This subject is more tired than Brad and Angelina. Aren't you just weary of all things Ray-AL, Ree-al, whatever?
But if I were writing about it, I would marvel at the arrogance of state legislators, who, despite all of the above, are now trying to pull an end-run around county citizens and officials. The county — and taxpayers — overwhelmingly rejected the use of public money (hotel taxes) for the stadium, and yet state legislators and other politicians say they will now try to do exactly that anyway, which is not so much a slap in the county government's face as it is a punch in the mouth.
Leading the way: Senate president John Valentine, R-Orem, Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson, Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. and Sandy Mayor Tom Dolan. Valentine even uttered that tired old phrase that public funding of stadiums produces economic development, one of the biggest lies ever sold to the American public.
But of course I'm not writing about that today, because it's futile. The politicos are determined to ram this thing through, no matter what.
But if I were going to write about it, I would marvel further at some of the nonsense pouring out of the politicians' mouths lately.
"This is going to be a black eye for our community for a long time if we aren't able to bail it out," Anderson said.
To listen to this man, you'd think people in cities around the nation are wringing their hands over this. Get Re-AL. Nobody outside of Utah knows or cares. A little perspective, please: We're talking about soccer in America.
Gov. Huntsman and Valentine say the use of hotel-room tax is paid for by out-of-state visitors, so the money would not be coming out of Utahns' pockets. Follow this logic: If that money is used for things that otherwise would have to be paid for by Utah taxpayers, or if it could be used for other things we pay for now, then it is coming out of their pockets.
For his part, Dave Checketts, the Real owner with his hand out, said he wasn't bitter about last week's rejection. Of course this was right before he accused Corroon of blocking the stadium project to advance his political career.
But, surprise! the stadium project isn't dead. It never is. Meanwhile, haven't you had enough of the whole subject? Good thing I'm not writing about it today.
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dang.. i was getting optimistic thinking this was going to work out.. but that legislature article didn't sound too positive.. KEEP RSL!!!
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For what I know Rocky Anderson went up to the hill today to share his plan about the fairgrounds.

As for Checketts he's out of town visiting S.L.

We should hear by tonight if salt lake will have a shot of keeping RSL or not.
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The state senate should have the vote finished before 5:00pm tonight. So we will know tonight about Sandy.

I really hope that if Sandy is shot down that they make it stick in the Fair Grounds.

Come on Senate and vote positive.
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