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Old Posted Jan 16, 2007, 12:45 AM
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Calpers has only handed over +\- 9 milly.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2007, 2:22 AM
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Calpers has only handed over +\- 9 milly.
What do you mean by +/- and where did you get that info from?
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2007, 9:23 PM
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He works there, so I'm sure he has his ways.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2007, 9:42 PM
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He works there, so I'm sure he has his ways.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2007, 10:00 PM
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I'm assuming that is about $9 million of the $100 million pledged, not an additional $9 million. Correct?
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2007, 6:15 AM
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correct. not additional. just the total so far.
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2007, 7:15 AM
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In September 2006 Saca said to the Bee that he and CalPERS together had spent $70 million on the project to date, including acquisition and demolition. (Post #638 in this thread.) More has been spent since September.

If CalPERS has only spent $9 million has Saca spent $61 million plus of his personal funds on this project? That's impressive if true.
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2007, 5:17 PM
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real estate investments

This is last years real estate investments report.

http://www.calpers.ca.gov/invest/investmentreport-2005/real_estate/

I am working on next years report as we speak which mentions the towers but I'm not sure when it will be promoted to the live website. probably within the next 15 days and you guys can see its about 9.5 million invested so far. Back to the real issue: hopefully calpers will release some more of the 100mil to keep it going or promise more if he finds more money to restart the project elsewhere. who knows
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2007, 5:34 PM
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That's great to hear, reggiesquared. I always thought CalPERS would have it as part of the agreement that Saca completely secure financing before starting to release money. Glad I was wrong.

On another note, if Saca has really put in that much money so far, there is no way this guy is going to give up on this project without going to hell and back to find a way.
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Old Posted Jan 20, 2007, 12:03 AM
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So the SBJ had an article on The Towers in this week’s edition. Nothing special and nothing new, but it is a good overview of where the project stands.

Headline: “Deadline Looms on Towers Project”

The Details:

-- A month-long stoppage should not have a severe impact on Saca’s schedule. A prolonged stoppage, however, could be BAD. Nobody is certain how long it will take to meet the topping off stipulations in the lease contracts once the projects starts up again.

-- If he has not received the proper financing by May 1, Saca can void the lease contracts. However, Saca and his representatives won’t discuss the possibility of the project failing.

-- The $480 million pledged for the project is impressive, but most of it is not available yet:

- The City’s $11 million dollar subsidy for the hotel is “last in”, meaning it will not be available until the project nears completion.
- Deutche Bank’s loan is STILL contingent on Saca pre-selling half of the units (I thought this requirement had been relaxed a bit. Maybe he needed more than half???). According to Hanley Wood Market Intelligence, 383 units are pre-sold (17 short ). Since sales began, there have been 27 cancellations.
- CalPERS does not write $100 million checks. Funds must be drawn down over time. According to Brad Pacheco of CalPERS, there are “certain criteria Saca had to meet.” (I’m not sure what he means by “had”. Does that mean Saca has met all the criteria necessary to continue making scheduled draw downs? Or, does that mean he only met the criteria for the roughly $9 million (according to reggiesquared) he received so far?) A major backer of the project, Michael McCook, has since left his job as Senior Investment Office for CalPERS. According to media reports, Saca said he is seeking a larger investment from CalPERS, but his spokesman, Eric Rasmusson, counters that claim, saying there is no request for more funds (from CalPERS, I assume).

-- According to Eric Rasmusson, “This isn’t really a case where the project ran out of money. It’s a matter of stopping and making sure you are on a pathway to success."

-- According to David Hutchinson of Beuhler & Beuhler Structural Engineers, work done at the site does not prohibit something different from being built there. “In the big picture, it would be well-prepared to receive anything else that could come along.”

-- Most importantly, Moe Mohanna bought a unit (Which, if the Towers are built, he will use to house bums, drug dealers and a seedy liquor store. To those who do not like the negative effect his unit has on the Towers, Mohanna will offer it for $800 billion. Outraged, the City will take the unit by ED for $775 billion. Shortly after the court decision, but before the transfer of ownership, there will be a fire in the unit (# 666, by the way). Mohanna will file a grievance against the City saying that the fire increases the value of his unit. Ultimately, he will end up with $885 billion, which he will use to buy up all the property downtown and then do nothing with it. With the extremely valuable 1100 square foot property in the City's hands, Mayor Fargo (yes, she will still be the mayor) will propose 96 (originally, the amount was 69, but religious groups sued the City for $885 billion dollars saying the number was “dirty” and “offensive”) different community get togethers (all catered by Wolfgang Puck) to determine the best use for the unit. After 10 years of charettes, the City will decide to sell the unit to a residential buyer for $885 thousand. Oh yeah, and shortly after that, the Fresno Kings wins it 5th straight NBA Championship).

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Old Posted Jan 20, 2007, 12:36 AM
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-- Most importantly, Moe Mohanna bought a unit (Which, if the Towers are built, he will use to house bums, drug dealers and a seedy liquor store. To those who do not like the negative effect his unit has on the Towers, Mohanna will offer his unit for $800 billion. The City will take the unit by ED for $775 billion. Shortly after the court decision, but before the transfer of ownership, there will be a fire in the unit (# 666, by the way). Mohanna will file a grievance against the City saying that the fire increases the value of his unit. Ultimately, he will end up with $885 billion, which he will use to buy up all the property downtown and then do nothing with it. With the extremely valuable 1100 square foot property is in the City's hands, Mayor Fargo (yes, she will still be the mayor) will propose 96 (originally, the amount was 69, but religious groups sued the City for $885 billion dollars saying the number was “dirty” and “offensive”) different community get togethers (all catored by Wolfgang Puck) to determine the best use for the unit. After 10 years of charettes, the City will decide to sell the unit to a residential buyer for $885 thousand. Oh yeah, and shortly after that, the Fresno Kings wins it 5th straight NBA Championship).
That is seriously the funniest thing I've read all week!! Sad, but definitely plausible!
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Old Posted Jan 20, 2007, 1:32 AM
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That was awesome!....and so scary at the same time.
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Old Posted Jan 20, 2007, 1:39 AM
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-- Most importantly, Moe Mohanna bought a unit...
Hilarious, snfenoc!
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2007, 2:39 PM
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Not a single post in over a week? Nobody's heard anything? Not even a rumor?
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2007, 6:15 PM
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Well, on one note, it doesn't look like our theory that the "spillover" from Aura will help the Towers out because Aura now has more and more of a chance of getting built, it seems...
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2007, 6:39 PM
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Not a single post in over a week? Nobody's heard anything? Not even a rumor?
I expect more of the same for the next few weeks. Saca's stayed pretty tight lipped and I dont expect that to change in the near future. What I would love to see is the Maloofs come to the rescue and put some money down on a few pricey penthouse units to put the project over the top as far as meeting Deutsche's funding quota. I think right now they live in some custom home in natomas not far from creaky arco. In addition to helping the project along, their presence would give the project additional sexyness and maybe sell more people on the lifestyle and convince peope that they and the Kings intend to stay in Sacramento. You would think a luxury highrise condo would be more their style anyways then a tired cutom tract house. I remember when they first bought the Kings there was alot of speculation that they might make a serious business development push in town considering their family business background. They have been great to the franchise in turning the team around but I have been disapointed they havent made more of an impact on the city beyond basketball.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2007, 7:00 PM
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well i know the Maloof's aren't holding out for a place in the railyards. they might like a place in the Aura of the Towers, if they gain control of the entire floor and all surrounding retail. though something tells me the Maloofs would've been just fine with Lot A remaining a swath of surface parking lots.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2007, 7:33 PM
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If Deutsche Bank will finance a highrise that's 50% presold and Aura is more than 65% presold then why doesn't Nassi go to Deutsche Bank for financing?

Since Aura is a much smaller project than SacaTowers and has a higher ratio of presales it seems like Aura would be the safer project from a bank's standpoint.
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If Deutsche Bank will finance a highrise that's 50% presold and Aura is more than 65% presold then why doesn't Nassi go to Deutsche Bank for financing?

Since Aura is a much smaller project than SacaTowers and has a higher ratio of presales it seems like Aura would be the safer project from a bank's standpoint.

Because Nassi has had DB on board from day one. Why would DB want to compete with their own project, especially if Aura has had better sales numbers than the Towers???

The only curiosity is why they (DB) wont finance the whole project, considering Aura's sales numbers compared to the Towers...
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2007, 5:22 PM
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Because Nassi has had DB on board from day one. Why would DB want to compete with their own project, especially if Aura has had better sales numbers than the Towers???

The only curiosity is why they (DB) wont finance the whole project, considering Aura's sales numbers compared to the Towers...
I think you meant it's curious that Corus Bank won't finance all of Aura, not DB. DB was never involved with Aura.

If one bank thought both tower projects pencilled out, that having two nearby projects increased the viability of both, then conceivably the same bank could finance both.

I've wondered why Wells Fargo didn't want to get involved in either of these towers, since WF headquarters are practically across the street from both. Seems like WF would be most attuned to the issues and potential of the Capitol Mall location, more than out of state banks.

Both projects still face multiple hurdles, even if the city does loan $11 million to Aura.
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