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Old Posted Dec 19, 2006, 10:04 PM
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I wanna take some pix of towers under contstruction on Thursday, which ones should I hit?

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This from the latest Chronicle

"The current skyline is very flat, and needs some peaks to create a more distinctive look,'' city Planning Director Dean Macris said.
Now THAT sounds like good news ^^^.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2006, 1:49 AM
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This from the latest Chronicle

"The current skyline is very flat, and needs some peaks to create a more distinctive look,'' city Planning Director Dean Macris said.
You want peaks...I'll give you peaks!!!!!



Massive new project being proposed for San Francisco
San Francisco Business Times - 3:21 PM PST Thursday
by J.K. Dineen

A development team led by the Solit Interest Group is proposing to build a 1,200-foot tower at First and Mission streets, part of a quartet of astoundingly ambitious buildings being designed by superstar architect Renzo Piano.

The proposed building, which would dwarf any existing buildings on the West Coast, would be part of a 2.9 million-square-foot development that would include 600 condominiums, 470 hotel rooms, and more than 520,000 square feet of office space, according to an application filed Dec. 21 with the city.


The 1,200-foot proposed skyscraper, which would be the third tallest building in the United States, would lag only Chicago's Sears Tower, which is 1,450 feet, and New York's Empire State Building at 1,250 feet. San Francisco's tallest current building is the Transamerica Pyramid, which is 853 feet tall.

The 51,000-square-foot development site on the northwest corner of First and Mission streets was assembled by David Choo, the president of California Mortgage and Realty. Over the past two years, Choo has acquired four buildings on First Street between Mission and Market streets as well as three adjoining vacant parcels on Mission.

Last summer Choo brought on Mark Solit to head up the development team. Solit was a developer for the Hyatt Corp. and was also involved in building Embarcadero West at 275 Battery St.

The buildings -- 50 First St., 62 First St., 76-80 First St., and 88 First St. -- would be demolished under the proposal. They are all small, Class C office buildings with a combined square footage of 250,000.

At current construction costs, the project would cost more than $1 billion to build.

Piano, who designed the rebuild of the California Academy of Sciences now under way in Golden Gate Park, is a highly sought-after international superstar architect. He's behind the expansion of both the Whitney Museum in New York and the High Museum in Atlanta has public and private projects in Sydney, Tokyo and Paris, but recent American commissions have made him a familiar and golden name in the United States.

"He's certainly one of a very short list of preeminent architects in the world that have a significant body of work," said David Meckel, director research and planning and former dean of architecture at California College of the Arts. "He's done a lot of buildings and almost everyone of those building responds to place. No two look alike."

The proposed development would be made possible by a planned upzoning of the Transbay Terminal area that is currently under review. In July, the Transbay Joint Powers Authority agreed to a plan to build a trio of soaring towers that would help fund a new Transbay Terminal as well as a funding and phasing plan for the transit hub.

The zoning changes could bring as much as $250 million in new funding to the terminal project, according to the work of the planners.

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Holy moly...what day making, giddy-fying news. Now whats that going to make the signature transbay tower in height????
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2006, 5:49 AM
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Exciting new buildings you've got planned there in San Francisco!

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Can't wait to see them!

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I may have missed it, but what does that have to do with SF? Did somebody suggest that SF has more highrise activity than Miami or something equally controversial?
     
     
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Regardless of what anyone said, I do not believe that it is wise to introduce Miami issues in the SF thread. There is a separate Miami thread to discuss Miami related issues.
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Regardless of what anyone said, I do not believe that it is wise to introduce Miami issues in the SF thread. There is a separate Miami thread to discuss Miami related issues.

Understood. Point well taken. You just might find it interesting from an architectural standpoint if you ever come this way for a visit and enjoy the trip more. I believe that this mutual interest is why we are all here, but then you can always look on the Miami thread, as Btown has done or Emporis.com.

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/li/?id=101321&bt=2&ht=3&sro=1

Looks like I'll have a lot more new and interesting stuff to look at when I visit San Francisco again and would love to see those 1,200 footers go up there! Is there a rendering posted somewhere that I can look at? San Francisco already has one of the greatest skylines in the world with its bridges and setting!:
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Did foundation work ever begin on 555 Mission Street? It had a groundbreaking ceremony some time ago but it's still listed as approved on emporis.
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Hey sf doesnt look too vad eithe. with this nre proposal for the 2 1200 footers and the transbay tower which will supposely bring a new peak to the skyline, so it must be taller than 1200. I cant wait for the day when some of the uglyier buildings in the city are chopped down to make way to iconic structures.
     
     
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Perhaps for the next upgrade that FourOneFive does to the front page, these 5 new proposed towers can be added to the "proposed" section, with the "renderings" that we have.
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Did foundation work ever begin on 555 Mission Street? It had a groundbreaking ceremony some time ago but it's still listed as approved on emporis.
From the last time I saw 555 Mission, they appeared to still be in the midst of the excavation process.
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222 Second Street (at Howard)

Tishman sees $350M 'green' highrise
S.F. office tower's environmental pedigree to speed approval

San Francisco Business Times - November 3, 2006
by J.K. Dineen


Development giant Tishman Speyer is seeking permission to build a 33-story "green" office tower at Second and Howard streets, a project San Francisco officials are calling a pioneer in a new program giving priority to sustainable developments.

The 700,000-square-foot building, which would cost approximately $350 million based on current construction rates, would be the first office tower in the city built to comply with "gold" standards set by the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design for developing high-performance, sustainable buildings. It would be the largest new office building to receive city approval in nearly a decade, and the first major project to do so since the commercial real estate market started to bounce back in 2004. Office buildings currently under construction, including Tishman Speyer's 555 Mission St. and Equity Office Properties' development at Foundry Square, were approved during the run-up to the technology meltdown of 2000.

"Tishman Speyer is very pleased to be acquiring 222 Second St.," said Tishman Speyer Managing Director Carl Shannon. "We see the site as one of the best remaining development opportunities for a new office building in downtown San Francisco."

Shannon called the project a "very logical next step following our 555 Mission project." The acquisition closed on Oct. 31.

The 24,000-square-foot parcel, currently a surface parking lot, sits on the southwest corner of Second and Howard streets. Two blocks from the Transbay Terminal, it's in an area San Francisco planners envision as the future heart of commerce and transportation in the city.

The seller was a private investment group that used a Menlo Park Post Office box and never participated directly in negotiations, according to various sources. The price was between $30 million and $35 million.

Under the new priority processing system, LEED projects are fast-tracked, automatically going to the top of the pile of projects awaiting evaluation. In the case of 222 Second St., Tishman Speyer was assigned an environmental planner in two weeks, a process that can take six months. In addition, the project is guaranteed an initial review within two weeks of getting a planner, something that frequently takes another six months.

While green construction generally costs 2 percent more than traditional construction, the millions saved in the expedited permitting process more than compensates for the cost.

Senior Planner Craig Nikitas said the Tishman Speyer project is a good one to launch the program, because the company, arguably the largest owner of real estate in the world, has a track record of completing audacious and complex green skyscrapers, including the headquarters for the Hearst Corp. and Goldman Sachs in Manhattan, perhaps the two most important office towers built in post-Sept. 11 New York.

"Tishman Speyer has a track record of doing green buildings in New York," said Nikitas. "It makes a good pilot project for us."

In the application, Tishman Speyer attorney Andrew Junius said that "the Department of the Environment Green Building Group is eager to test pilot the priority permitting process and has encouraged Tishman Speyer to approach the city to collaborate in this high-profile application."

Sources said that the design team was still in flux, with local high-profile architect Heller/Manus expected to be working with a "star architect" to be named later.

Planning Director Dean Macris said the priority application process appears to be working and predicted that other applications for green office buildings would come in.

"I think it's a good move on our part, everybody seems happy with it," said Macris. "We are seeing a renewed interest in office -- I think there is a lot of betting going on."

The only other LEED office building in San Francisco, the federal building under construction on Mission Street, has been beset by delays and cost overruns and is 18 months behind schedule.

Jeffrey Heller, principal at Heller/Manus, called the priority application process for green buildings "a significant incentive." He said that about 50 percent of the new projects his firm has been looking at are proposing some level of LEED certification. He said the developers are motivated by a combination of environmental sensitivity and the economic advantages of quick approvals.

"Timing is the real incentive and there is a growing awareness and sense of volunteer commitment in the real estate and development community to do green building," said Heller.

The last project approved on the site was a 225-foot "wedding cake" style development proposed by Chevron's development arm in 1990. Laura Ingall, commercial green building coordinator for the city's Department of the Environment, said she met with Tishman officials on Oct. 30. She said a "green team" including Ingall, Nikitas, and Chief Building Inspector Lawrence Kornfield would meet with the developers regularly.

"This is really exciting," said Ingall. "If you think about it, this ordinance just got signed three weeks ago and we've already met with our first team."
     
     
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Only 2% more? Not sure I really believe that - they would be like saying:

-No green: $350,000,000
-Green: $357,000,000

How does $7 million buy you anything worthwile for a 700,000 sq. ft. building that costs $350 million?
     
     
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You don't believe what the veteran developer said about green building costs because you cannot personally account for such costs? That's an odd way of thinking about things.
     
     
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Not odd at all - I am actually thinking and trying to use logic. Nobody gets anywhere without thinking and questioning what they hear and see. Not saying it is wrong, but skeptical that there would be such a small price difference for what seems like a significant amount of difference.

And like everything (especially press releases), there is often more than meets the eye. Of all places, this forum is used to hearing vague or not hearing known information at all from developers, agents, etc. (for example, lots of discussion about what is happening with some of the Sacramento projects, they are keeping a lot of information secret).

Being skeptical is one thing - saying something is outright false is another - I plead guilty to the former.
     
     
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