BC Political Discussion: Election 2024 & 43rd Parliament

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by kikin

I feel stuck now on a sinking ship full of lunatics

Oh so you're a Conservative member then?

Just going back to this:

And there’s the potential for a mass exodus of as many as 10-12 more on Monday, the day of a caucus meeting.

Apparently the BC Conservatives were going to hold a press conference this evening, but they've cancelled it without any hint of a new date. That's something someone does when they've stabilized the bleeding, right?

Edit: Oh hey Áʼa꞉líya Warbus has quit the B.C. Conservative caucus.

[GenWhy?]

So we could have up to 15 independent MLAs and something like 25 MLAs in the Official Opposition?

[RedArbutus]

This is wild how steady this is. Nearly 1 a day.

[djmk]

Originally Posted by kikin

I should have moved away from here a long time ago when it would have been easier for me, I feel stuck now on a sinking ship full of lunatics

i really curious how any of this really affects you in such a dramatic fashion that you feel compelled to spend all that time money and effort to move 1000's of km away.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by kikin

I seriously considered making the huge move to Florida.....

Does one really need to move all the way to the other side of the continent to find their conservative nirvana?

I mean,.....Alberta is....right....there......


Of course,...they're also undergoing their own levels of existential crisis at the moment,.......sooo.....

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

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Apparently the BC Conservatives were going to hold a press conference this evening, but they've cancelled it without any hint of a new date. That's something someone does when they've stabilized the bleeding, right?

Edit: Oh hey Áʼa꞉líya Warbus has quit the B.C. Conservative caucus.

The only thing that's likely to stem this bleeding (not without a significant amount of pain) is if the next caucus meeting that they hold coming off of this postponement is a leadership challenge, and the removal and replacement of Findlay.

I don't see anything else saving this sinking ship.

It almost doesn't matter whom they replace her with.
A head of lettuce* would do at this rate.

(*Liz Truss approves this suggestion)

[djmk]

Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

Does one really need to move all the way to the other side of the continent to find their conservative nirvana?

I mean,.....Alberta is....right....there......


Of course,...they're also undergoing their own levels of existential crisis at the moment,.......sooo.....

Calgary is about a 1000 km drive from Vancouver. Still a long way to go. Equivalent of driving from Amsterdam to Wrocław, Poland

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by mcj

Who are these "far left extremists"?

Which reality are you living in?

I hate the NDP and have more further and further right in the past few years (especially my stance on drugs and poverty) but anyone blaming them for killing forestry, manufacturing and other misc industrial jobs have no understanding of the global economy as a whole. We are no match for slave labour and zero regulations, unless we elect to go rogue against intergovernmental bodies such as the WEF.

If anything, the rise of neoliberalism and continued privatization have done us in and we have no choice but to double down and navigate around these losses. The Cons can promise the moon but they are not bringing back manufacturing or spur on resource extraction. It's pie in the sky thinking.

[mcj]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

I hate the NDP and have more further and further right in the past few years (especially my stance on drugs and poverty) but anyone blaming them for killing forestry, manufacturing and other misc industrial jobs have no understanding of the global economy as a whole. We are no match for slave labour and zero regulations, unless we elect to go rogue against intergovernmental bodies such as the WEF.

If anything, the rise of neoliberalism and continued privatization have done us in and we have no choice but to double down and navigate around these losses. The Cons can promise the moon but they are not bringing back manufacturing or spur on resource extraction. It's pie in the sky thinking.

At the rate conservatives seem to be okay with abandoning institutions such as the WEF, that may happen sooner than you think.

However, anyone thinking the NDP is anywhere near "far left" has zero understanding what that actually means, is also the point (let me know when they begin seizing the means of production). They're the big tent for anyone not right wing in this Province as things stand, and they're governing like it. As you correctly point out the loss of forestry, manufacturing and (most) other industry is a consequence of neoliberalism and offshoring, something that the right wing seems to want to "fix" with tariffs perhaps, but our industry is right sizing for what Canada can support in those capacities. However, the mining industry is still going strong in this Province, and we've not had a government this openly supportive of mining projects since the Social Credit era.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by djmk

Calgary is about a 1000 km drive from Vancouver. Still a long way to go. Equivalent of driving from Amsterdam to Wrocław, Poland

Yeah,....but.......Florida....

I get they have great weather, theme parks, beaches and all that.....

Likewise, if great weather, theme parks and beaches are your draw......then California? Still relatively far, but not as far as the other freakin' side of the continent.

(...but then again we all know Cali is not a preferred destination neither for, .....'reasons'.....)

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

Yeah,....but.......Florida....

I get they have great weather, theme parks, beaches and all that.....

Likewise, if great weather, theme parks and beaches are your draw......then California? Still relatively far, but not as far as the other freakin' side of the continent.

(...but then again we all know Cali is not a preferred destination neither for, .....'reasons'.....)

I never get why people like Florida. The climate may be warm but it’s unpleasantly humid and flat as a pancake. Plus it’s full of old Trumpers.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by whatnext

I never get why people like Florida. The climate may be warm but it’s unpleasantly humid and flat as a pancake. Plus it’s full of old Trumpers.

For some people that is indeed a plus.

As to the rest, I've always wondered how people who grew up and lived with our mountains and great outdoors handle living in place so....flat....as you put it, and devoid of anything outside the beaches.

(...and the novelty of those wears off real quick)

There's a reason snowbirds from up here love to go live out their retirement down there - but they tend to mostly be Eastcoasters. Mostly yearning to get away from all the bitter winters they've had to put up with while setting up their nest eggs through the years.

I lived in Florida sometime back and I rarely find myself yearning to go back.
Maybe for visits, yeah (family).

If you don't mind the bugs, the sameness of pretty much the whole place, the humidity and all that - there's also the fact that outside of the metro areas it's a sprawling state and you ought to be prepared to have to drive at least half an hour to get to anywhere you need to go or visit friends.

That... I didn't like about it.

[kikin]

Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

Does one really need to move all the way to the other side of the continent to find their conservative nirvana?

I mean,.....Alberta is....right....there......


Of course,...they're also undergoing their own levels of existential crisis at the moment,.......sooo.....

there are generally better politics in Alberta but unfortunately the federal government still has the biggest influence on our lives so things are still far from ideal there with too, the mayors of the two big Alberta cities are philosophical nutcases too and the downtown cores are sucking more and more as the years go by

[kikin]

Originally Posted by whatnext

I never get why people like Florida. The climate may be warm but it’s unpleasantly humid and flat as a pancake. Plus it’s full of old Trumpers.

the attitude of personal responsibility is much better there, not to mention much less envy and jealousy that is pervasive in the psyche of most Canadians

[kikin]

Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

For some people that is indeed a plus.

As to the rest, I've always wondered how people who grew up and lived with our mountains and great outdoors handle living in place so....flat....as you put it, and devoid of anything outside the beaches.

(...and the novelty of those wears off real quick)

There's a reason snowbirds from up here love to go live out their retirement down there - but they tend to mostly be Eastcoasters. Mostly yearning to get away from all the bitter winters they've had to put up with while setting up their nest eggs through the years.

I lived in Florida sometime back and I rarely find myself yearning to go back.
Maybe for visits, yeah (family).

If you don't mind the bugs, the sameness of pretty much the whole place, the humidity and all that - there's also the fact that outside of the metro areas it's a sprawling state and you ought to be prepared to have to drive at least half an hour to get to anywhere you need to go or visit friends.

That... I didn't like about it.

What are your thoughts on North or South Carolina? People I've met (not a lot) were really cool and got me researching them. The western states are just as bad as here so not really an option.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by kikin

there are generally better politics in Alberta but unfortunately the federal government still has the biggest influence on our lives so things are still far from ideal there with too, the mayors of the two big Alberta cities are philosophical nutcases too and the downtown cores are sucking more and more as the years go by

I'm enjoying the comments and your perspective.

Especially how the Feds have the biggest influence on ones' life and how the mayor of Calgary is a "nutcase".

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by kikin

the attitude of personal responsibility is much better there

You're talking about the country that had to put "caution contents hot" on coffee cups because people sued that it was hot right? The litigious attitude of the US flies in the face of personal responsibility to say the least.

Also, you're researching the people of the Carolinas? What does that even entail?

I'll second everyone else here. This is very enjoyable. Keep this TED talk going!

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

You're talking about the country that had to put "caution contents hot" on coffee cups because people sued that it was hot right? The litigious attitude of the US flies in the face of personal responsibility to say the least.

I highly recommend you do some reading into that court case. The PR campaign against that woman was extremely successful.

First things first, the cup always had a warning that it was hot, but McDonalds was found civilly liable for selling coffee that was literally hot enough to melt the skin of an old lady's groin and fuse it together. It was found that McDonalds was intentionally selling coffee near its boiling point and they knew it was an issue because they had settled hundreds of civil suits previously. This time they refused to settle and cover the old lady's $10k hospital bill, which is all she originally asked for, and they offered her $800 so she sued for all damages.

It was a very reasonable court case.

Anyway, feel free to move to the Carolinas if you love your own sweat and hate watching it evaporate.

[seamusmcduff]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/vancouver/article...-says-he-was-offered-job-to-quit-as-mla/

British Columbia legislator Ian Paton says the RCMP have asked to interview him on Wednesday and expects them to ask about allegedly being offered a job to give up his seat so Conservative Leader Kerry-Lynne Findlay could run.

Paton, who quit the Conservative caucus last week among an exodus of MLAs from the official Opposition, said Findlay’s chief of staff Chris Delaney asked him in July to step down in Delta South, saying he would be given a job as an adviser for two years with the same salary as an MLA.

“I was told I would be given some sort of a staff job as a party staffer and I would be an agriculture adviser or policy adviser to the B.C. Conservative Party,” he said in an interview Tuesday.

Paton rejected the offer but said he initially wasn’t aware that it could be an offence.

“I’ve never been through this before, so I thought well, maybe that’s fairly common. I didn’t realize it’s become such a big deal,” he said.

It is illegal under the Criminal Code to negotiate a reward or benefit related to resignation from political office.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Anyway, feel free to move to the Carolinas if you love your own sweat and hate watching it evaporate.

Humidity and the threat of death can make you sweaty:

Recent Homicide Rates per 100,000 People

South Carolina: Approximately 7.5 per 100,000 <> (based on recent FBI data tracking the 2024 state rate).

North Carolina: Approximately 7.5 per 100,000 <> (matching South Carolina's recent annual tracking level).

British Columbia: Approximately 1.43 per 100,000 <> (based on recent annualized Canadian provincial homicide statistics).