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[niwell]

Carney is the definition of a traditional Progressive Conservative or "Red Tory". It's a refreshing change though I wish he was a Conservative candidate. I didn't vote for his party as I have the option in central Toronto but I'm not unhappy with where we are.

As someone who spends time in rural Ontario "Maple MAGA" is real. It is very much a minority though.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by niwell

Carney is the definition of a traditional Progressive Conservative or "Red Tory". It's a refreshing change though I wish he was a Conservative candidate. I didn't vote for his party as I have the option in central Toronto but I'm not unhappy with where we are.

As someone who spends time in rural Ontario "Maple MAGA" is real. It is very much a minority though.

It's pretty much like that in most rural areas. It's very evident in rural aras across the Prairie Provinces. There is not a lot of support for maple MAGA in Edmonton or Winnipeg. In Calgary, they are also a minority.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by niwell

Carney is the definition of a traditional Progressive Conservative or "Red Tory". It's a refreshing change though I wish he was a Conservative candidate.

Agree 100%

I am a lifelong traditional eastern Canadian red tory Progressive Conservative. Mark Carney is a man I can 100% get behind. He IS a red tory.

I am not so doctrinaire as to always vote Conservative. I have in fact voted Liberal and even NDP a couple of times depending on the issues in play and the qualities of the candidates. As long as Carney is leader of the Liberal Party and PP is leader of the Conservatives, my vote will be safely Liberal. The choice is obvious.

[Dartguard]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Agree 100%

I am a lifelong traditional eastern Canadian red tory Progressive Conservative. Mark Carney is a man I can 100% get behind. He IS a red tory.

I am not so doctrinaire as to always vote Conservative. I have in fact voted Liberal and even NDP a couple of times depending on the issues in play and the qualities of the candidates. As long as Carney is leader of the Liberal Party and PP is leader of the Conservatives, my vote will be safely Liberal. The choice is obvious.

I have been having some fun with my Liberal friends and relatives educating them that Carny is actually a small c Conservative and once again my Liberal friends you have allowed your party to be taken over. I then educate them that Carney has bought 65,402 AR 15's for the Canadian Army, has reduced Trudeau's women Issues department budget from 486 Million to under 80
and started to buy 12 Submarines in record time all while letting the climate terrorists in his cabinet find other things to do. Trudeau family who?

In the bigger picture I believe due to the serious circumstances and the removal of Trudeau that Canada is saying goodbye to the last sixty years of Social justice obsession and the victim culture and industries that were built up around it. The Nation is moving forward on things we used to do and bloody well with Carney completely aware of what Canada can and should be
doing. He seems to be that perfect blend of a Blue Liberal and progressive Conservative. Funny how that combination gets the vast majority of Canadians supporting it.

[MonctonRad]

Mark Carney is the epitome of pragmatic centralism. We should never again allow the Liberal and Conservative parties to be highjacked by woke or reactionary extremists.

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by Dartguard

In the bigger picture I believe due to the serious circumstances and the removal of Trudeau that Canada is saying goodbye to the last sixty years of Social justice obsession and the victim culture and industries that were built up around it. The Nation is moving forward on things we used to do and bloody well with Carney completely aware of what Canada can and should be
doing. He seems to be that perfect blend of a Blue Liberal and progressive Conservative. Funny how that combination gets the vast majority of Canadians supporting it.

I'd be very careful about interpreting the current support for Carney as being some generalized thing. The Trudeau government won several successive terms including against opponents viewed as being much more centrist than PP. But leaders pretty much always lose support over time, particularly when there are scandals. And when that happens it doesn't mean people are rejecting them on an ideological basis. And even more importantly, leaders tend to be more popular during a "rally around the flag" event where outside threats are getting equal or greater attention as domestic issues.

Carney is popular because a) he represents change since normally a new leader rises from within a party and is therefore not seen as something new and is therefore tainted by party scandals while Carney wasn't even a politician previously. Plus b) Carney impresses people with lofty credentials and a reassuring temperament rather than ideology and c) he's still new enough to be in the honeymoon period. When the Trudeau government was still just a year and a half in, their poling was also very strong, especially for a non flag-rally moment. So I don't see any evidence that the situation represents some grand ideological shift beyond individual wishful thinking.

[Chocolite]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

So I don't see any evidence that the situation represents some grand ideological shift beyond individual wishful thinking.

I agree it's not an ideological shift, but it's not enduring support for the Liberals. It's like they voted in a conservative, who happens to be in the Liberal party.

We've seen for decades that Canadians like to see change after a while no matter what the case. There's np real ideological change other than we get tired of our leaders. We saw it with Mulroney, Chretien, Harper, Trudeau, etc and to me this is a continuation of the usual ping pong of politics. Another round of replacing a Trudeau with a Mulroney.


Carney will have a honeymoon phase, and the country will be behind him during all the trade BS, but as time wears on things change. I'm 100% behind him though, and I feel like he's the perfect leader to run the country at this time.

[someone123]

I think that JT's policies incorporated a lot of luxury beliefs that aren't going to be as viable moving forward. He was a plausible candidate in 2015 but isn't so much in 2026.

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by Chocolite

I agree it's not an ideological shift, but it's not enduring support for the Liberals. It's like they voted in a conservative, who happens to be in the Liberal party.

Not so sure of that one. The Liberal party has spent far more time in power federally both overall and in the last century than conservative parties prompting some to even refer to them as the natural governing party. And with Carney being so new to politics with basically no political track record, people didn't actually know what they were getting in terms of ideology. There were some minor hints like when he said he'd push to make Canada a superpower in both green and conventional energy which signalled a shift away from prioritizing environmental concerns. But I suspect most people realize that campaign rhetoric doesn't always equate to post-election outcomes.

Also, much of the Liberal surge post-Carney came from the NDP whose voters just wanted to avoid what looked like an inevitable CPC victory. That was support for the Liberal party (as a compromise) rather than a desire for a more conservative candidate. Meanwhile the CPC support remained strong rather than completely collapsing. So much so that they even managed to prevent an LPC majority (for awhile). So it wasn't like a big portion of conservative-leaning voters voted for Carney to support a more moderate conservative candidate. They were all in on PP.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by theman23

Did anyone ask for a running commentary on Twitter??

Does someone occasionally piss in your breakfast?

[Dartguard]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

I'd be very careful about interpreting the current support for Carney as being some generalized thing. The Trudeau government won several successive terms including against opponents viewed as being much more centrist than PP. But leaders pretty much always lose support over time, particularly when there are scandals. And when that happens it doesn't mean people are rejecting them on an ideological basis. And even more importantly, leaders tend to be more popular during a "rally around the flag" event where outside threats are getting equal or greater attention as domestic issues.

Carney is popular because a) he represents change since normally a new leader rises from within a party and is therefore not seen as something new and is therefore tainted by party scandals while Carney wasn't even a politician previously. Plus b) Carney impresses people with lofty credentials and a reassuring temperament rather than ideology and c) he's still new enough to be in the honeymoon period. When the Trudeau government was still just a year and a half in, their poling was also very strong, especially for a non flag-rally moment. So I don't see any evidence that the situation represents some grand ideological shift beyond individual wishful thinking.

Oh my you must be young. Trudeau got in in 2015 as he was not Harper but the first born for a generation of Canadians that loved his Father. His only policy offer was non criminalized Cannabis. Everything else the man touched was sound bite or Ideological nonsense related to climate silliness,
victimhood, and oh yeah keep our Wealth in the ground. Carney is not Ideological but he is an adult.

Face it the NDP are what the former leader called them at the last National press dinner. " Hi I am from the NDP and my pronouns are Broke and irrelevant." Fuck around time with the left wing bitch list is gone and we are entering far more serious times. If you have kids, get them in a trade as University's are about to replace Undergrad with AI so teach the kids the difference between a Phillips and a Robertson. Sore hands are in their future.

When Trump leaves the stage, by nature or serious Impeachment the Americans will coldly look at what he did FOR America and will continue with the prick parade of selfishness and they won't be able to be the complete World Policemen any more. Other Middle Nations like Canada will have to step up with the Australia's, Polands, Italys, South Korea and France.
Carney is in the midst of planning for Canada to go from about the 27th largest Navy to about the 12 largest Combined RCN/Coast Guard on the Planet. Serious Tonnage of over 500,000 Tonnes.

And We should all hope Bessent finds a way to solidify the American Bond valuations and Congress gets serious about American debt as a looming US Dollar crisis may soon be upon us all.
Carney understands all this better than the Americans and is trying to make Canada THE value option for sane long term investment. Fuck around time is over.

[FrAnKs]

After a period of negative population growth, can we now expect to see positive growth in the next provincial estimates?

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by FrAnKs

After a period of negative population growth, can we now expect to see positive growth in the next provincial estimates?

Hopefully not.

We took in far too many people between late 2021 to early 2025. We need to build the infrastructure and housing to catch up. By t2028, we should once again hope for 1% growth annually.

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by Dartguard

Oh my you must be young. Trudeau got in in 2015 as he was not Harper but the first born for a generation of Canadians that loved his Father. His only policy offer was non criminalized Cannabis. Everything else the man touched was sound bite or Ideological nonsense related to climate silliness,
victimhood, and oh yeah keep our Wealth in the ground. Carney is not Ideological but he is an adult.

Face it the NDP are what the former leader called them at the last National press dinner. " Hi I am from the NDP and my pronouns are Broke and irrelevant." Fuck around time with the left wing bitch list is gone and we are entering far more serious times. If you have kids, get them in a trade as University's are about to replace Undergrad with AI so teach the kids the difference between a Phillips and a Robertson. Sore hands are in their future.

Cannabis was very much not the only policy he promoted. One of his most prominent was electoral reform with him emphatically stating that this would be the last election we would have under first past the post. And his support for climate action was also not merely ideological but rather a strategic response to what voters were calling for at the time. For instance, Angus Reid polling in 2015 found that:

"Nearly two-in-three Canadians (63%) say they would support their country signing an agreement to reduce emissions even if it meant a ten per cent increase in their annual household energy costs." And,
"Seven-in-ten (69%) support Canada signing such an agreement [Paris climate accord] even if major polluters like China and India do not"

Perhaps you really are much older than me if your memory has deteriorated badly enough not to remember any of that. But yes, you're right that the biggest factor was people were tired of Harper rather than it necessarily being about ideology. Which is the exact same point I was making earlier about the current situation.

[niwell]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Cannabis was very much not the only policy he promoted. One of his most prominent was electoral reform with him emphatically stating that this would be the last election we would have under first past the post. And his support for climate action was also not merely ideological but rather a strategic response to what voters were calling for at the time. For instance, Angus Reid polling in 2015 found that:

"Nearly two-in-three Canadians (63%) say they would support their country signing an agreement to reduce emissions even if it meant a ten per cent increase in their annual household energy costs." And,
"Seven-in-ten (69%) support Canada signing such an agreement [Paris climate accord] even if major polluters like China and India do not"

Some of the bigger reasons people on the left side of the spectrum were annoyed with JT.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

We should never again allow the Liberal and Conservative parties to be highjacked by woke or reactionary extremists.

Sure.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by Chocolite

We've seen for decades that Canadians like to see change after a while no matter what the case. There's np real ideological change other than we get tired of our leaders. We saw it with Mulroney, Chretien, Harper, Trudeau, etc and to me this is a continuation of the usual ping pong of politics. Another round of replacing a Trudeau with a Mulroney.


Carney will have a honeymoon phase, and the country will be behind him during all the trade BS, but as time wears on things change. I'm 100% behind him though, and I feel like he's the perfect leader to run the country at this time.

I agree with you.

[Dartguard]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Cannabis was very much not the only policy he promoted. One of his most prominent was electoral reform with him emphatically stating that this would be the last election we would have under first past the post. And his support for climate action was also not merely ideological but rather a strategic response to what voters were calling for at the time. For instance, Angus Reid polling in 2015 found that:

"Nearly two-in-three Canadians (63%) say they would support their country signing an agreement to reduce emissions even if it meant a ten per cent increase in their annual household energy costs." And,
"Seven-in-ten (69%) support Canada signing such an agreement [Paris climate accord] even if major polluters like China and India do not"

Perhaps you really are much older than me if your memory has deteriorated badly enough not to remember any of that. But yes, you're right that the biggest factor was people were tired of Harper rather than it necessarily being about ideology. Which is the exact same point I was making earlier about the current situation.

Yet when Trudeau was sat down by Gerry Butts and had the electoral reform ramifications explained to him he dropped the effort. The Liberal plan was an attempt to rig things by electoral reform to never allow the Conservatives to ever get close to a Majority. The price would have almost always been a Liberal/NDP coalition. The last ten years showed all of us the folly and silliness of that construct.

Climate change was shown to be a nice to have but Covid realigned peoples priorities and the inflationary policies of the Government have pushed Climate change off the top 5 priority list in Canada . Carney gets this and will use the next ten to fifteen years righting the Ship by extracting and protecting what is ours.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

Sure.

I stand by my assertion.

Canada is best run from the centre, by pragmatic politicians capable of honest debate and reasonable compromise.

Extremists, ideologues and zealots need not apply.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Dartguard

Yet when Trudeau was sat down by Gerry Butts and had the electoral reform ramifications explained to him he dropped the effort. The Liberal plan was an attempt to rig things by electoral reform to never allow the Conservatives to ever get close to a Majority. The price would have almost always been a Liberal/NDP coalition. The last ten years showed all of us the folly and silliness of that construct.

Climate change was shown to be a nice to have but Covid realigned peoples priorities and the inflationary policies of the Government have pushed Climate change off the top 5 priority list in Canada . Carney gets this and will use the next ten to fifteen years righting the Ship by extracting and protecting what is ours.

I'm not sure this conversation is in the right thread, but policies to try to reduce the impact of the climate change we have already created are still necessary, and not addressing the increasing impacts won't make anything better - they'll ensure that the impacts continue to get more severe. There are also clear economic benefits if we switch from burning things to make energy.

Mark Carney completely gets that, as the book he wrote shows, but he's pragmatic enough to realize that, as your comment shows, the population doesn't yet seem to care enough about the future to make a difference. His government's inclusion of many electrification elements in the National Projects , and continuing requirements to try to develop carbon capture, suggests they're doing what they can to move the country forward.

Some of the future extraction, and the way it's done, could actually contribute to reducing greenhouse gases, but if we continue using old methods and relying on fossil fuels, the impacts of climate change will continue to get worse.

I recently saw a sobering interview with an environmental science professor, Benjamin Horton. "There's this phrase that right now we are experiencing the worst weather of our lifetimes. But for our children, this is the best weather of their lifetimes," "Adapting to the climate of 2026 is pointless."