The easternmost part of Westmount is also arguably part of downtown Montreal, but... politics.
Westmounters are a funny bunch. They're adamant how they're not a suburb, yet when given the chance to prove their urban bonda fides they insisted on de-merging.
Westmounters are a funny bunch. They're adamant how they're not a suburb, yet when given the chance to prove their urban bonda fides they insisted on de-merging.
Obviously the reasons for that aren't primarily related to urbanity vs suburbanity, n'est-ce pas?
Hmm... and in a stunning reversal of events, it turns out the anglophones were the true separatist all along! Dun dun duuuun!
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OUCH! Dang that 3rd rail is LIVE!! I gotta watch myself.
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I find Westmount to really be it’s own thing separate from downtown. Westmount even have it’s own « main commercial street » with Sherbrooke street from Westmount parc in the east to Decarie in the West.
Westmount as a whole isn't part of downtown, but Greene Avenue, Westmount Square and Ste-Catherine just west of Atwater certainly is, in my books. It's like a much (much) more low-key version of Yorkville.
Westmount is pretty much the Montreal anglo equivalent of the in-town favoured quarter of Toronto, centered around Yonge and Avenue Rd. So a bit of Yorkville, Rathnelly, Forest Hill etc.
About half agree with the official definition but a lot feel it should stretch further west and goes too far east.
(To some extent probably reflects the views of under 30s who think "downtown = trendy" hence the incredulous statements of "how can Cabbagetown be downtown but not Trinity Bellwoods and Ossington and Liberty Village?").
Westmount as a whole isn't part of downtown, but Greene Avenue, Westmount Square and Ste-Catherine just west of Atwater certainly is, in my books. It's like a much (much) more low-key version of Yorkville.
I agree. Once you hit Greene Ave, it is downtown.
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I find it hard to believe that the population of downtown Montreal (relative to say, Ottawa) is that low.
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Downtown (read main central area) growth 2016-2021
Calgary +21%
Hamilton +9.7%
Ottawa +7.1%
Winnipeg +3.9%
Saskatoon +2.1%
Edmonton -1.1%
Regina -1.6%
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I find it hard to believe that the population of downtown Montreal (relative to say, Ottawa) is that low.
It partly relates to the way that Statistics Canada define the Downtown area. Montreal still had the third highest population density of Canadian downtowns in 2021.
Also, Edmonton had 1500 or so units delivered Downtown during that period, along with adjacent hoods that make up the 55k and yet its -1.X?
Census reporting must be very poor.
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I find it hard to believe that the population of downtown Montreal (relative to say, Ottawa) is that low.
There are some strange anomalies that arise from Stats Canada's methodology. For example, "downtown Edmonton" is twice as large as "downtown Calgary" and essentially the same size as "downtown Montreal". That's quite surprising.
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They include Downtown, Wikwentowin, QMP, Central McD, Boyle and prob Rossdale to get those...
'Downtown' Edmonton is ~13k.
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Where can we find a map of what they consider Downtown for each City? If Ottawa is 9.7 square kilometers, they're including a lot! Probably boarded by Line 2, the Queensway, the Canal and Wellington + Rideau Centre and the ByWard Market. There was a time when Downtown Ottawa was really just considered the CBD/Escarpment and the ByWard Market.
Where can we find a map of what they consider Downtown for each City? If Ottawa is 9.7 square kilometers, they're including a lot! Probably boarded by Line 2, the Queensway, the Canal and Wellington + Rideau Centre and the ByWard Market. There was a time when Downtown Ottawa was really just considered the CBD/Escarpment and the ByWard Market.
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