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Old Posted Jul 17, 2026, 12:14 PM
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What is everyone's opinion on this?

https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2026/...opportunities-for-aspiring-aviators.html

"Sanders Flight Training Center’s Tuscaloosa campus recently partnered with Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. to offer a Bachelor of Science in Aviation."

To me, it would be wise for the University to conduct a cost benefit analysis on opening up a flight school directly instead of other schools outside the state coming into our city offering their services. I work with mainly engineers and a handful of their kids are in flight school at Auburn. Most will either become a pilot and work at big airlines like Delta, since they have an agreement with them or they will work in the front office there. I have seen up close how popular that program has become with students in this state and I don't want the University to miss out yet again on offering something where our graduates are shown as unique and can potentially make decent money. Believe it or not, the University of Alabama has a ton of students that are in the STEM path whether we get any credit for that or not.
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Chad, I think a program like that is great to have in Tuscaloosa, but, not worth the dollars for UA to hire staff, buy and maintain planes, buy insurance, etc. Liberty is more like a giant online JUCO and I think a program like that is more suited for them or Shelton State. I've always thought Auburn's cooking school, beer brewing program, airplane maintenace program, and small plane flight school is more suited for JUCO or a small tech school. I think, with the program now being in Tuscaloosa, UA can recruit students who are interested in doing a program like that in addition to their UA studies. Nice recruiting photo though. RTR
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By the way, on occasion, their students will fly to Tuscaloosa's airport, land, then takoff and head back to Auburn. LOL

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Old Posted Jul 17, 2026, 4:48 PM
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Chad, I think a program like that is great to have in Tuscaloosa, but, not worth the dollars for UA to hire staff, buy and maintain planes, buy insurance, etc. Liberty is more like a giant online JUCO and I think a program like that is more suited for them or Shelton State. I've always thought Auburn's cooking school, beer brewing program, airplane maintenace program, and small plane flight school is more suited for JUCO or a small tech school. I think, with the program now being in Tuscaloosa, UA can recruit students who are interested in doing a program like that in addition to their UA studies. Nice recruiting photo though. RTR
While I somewhat agree that some of those things that AU offers is kind of "beneath" a major college program at least they are unique and very few other schools offer those and that sets them apart. I think we are trying to do the same with the AI and Leadership college/school. Thanks for the reply
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Chad, I think a program like that is great to have in Tuscaloosa, but, not worth the dollars for UA to hire staff, buy and maintain planes, buy insurance, etc. Liberty is more like a giant online JUCO and I think a program like that is more suited for them or Shelton State. I've always thought Auburn's cooking school, beer brewing program, airplane maintenace program, and small plane flight school is more suited for JUCO or a small tech school. I think, with the program now being in Tuscaloosa, UA can recruit students who are interested in doing a program like that in addition to their UA studies. Nice recruiting photo though. RTR
Liberty is trying to be the evangelical Notre Dame, which will never happen. They're trying to engineer a world class institution on the back of faith alone. I happen to actually think that these niche classes and studies are great ideas. They're attractive to students and fill holes in the educational system. However, I do think that maybe they should be coursework done in partnership with community colleges and trade schools. Calhoun Community College in Decatur has made remarkable strides forward in robotics and other trades and has, if I'm not mistaken, over 10,000 students.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2026, 1:23 AM
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Behind a paywall. I miss the days when TN was free. Any new tidbits?
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2026, 1:33 AM
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Why do so many UA alumni/allies support Tubberville?

I am not a Democrat or a Republican, but I see Tubberville as Fob James part 3. He has already signaled that he will deemphasize funding for higher education. UA is not nearly as vulnerable to state funding as it used to be. The 1980s and 90s were very tough fiscally for UA thanks to a skeptical legislature.

But here is the danger: Auburn's allies and alumni are cohesive and make sure Auburn's needs are being heard. UA's allies have seemed satisfied as long as the football team is successful. So it is not surprising that Tubberville wins and will likely be the next governor. Auburn folks are very loyal to him, and UA folks just aren't as passionate about protecting UA's interests.

Had UA's allies cared as much about UA as Auburn's allies do Auburn, UAH would not have the better Aerospace program. UAB would not have locked down the entire Medical School. Not saying the latter was preventable, but it still illustrates the dynamic. Auburn's allies would NEVER allow AUM to rival AU in any lucrative program. NEVER!

Not a Democrat, but please consider voting for Doug Jones. At least we know he is not Fob James part 3. If you don't know why I say this, please just do a little research on how Fob handled the budget for higher education. His vision stymied UA's Joab Thomas from achievng his goals in Tuscaloosa. So Joab Thomas left. I sure hope the same does not happen to Mohler. I don't think UA is that vulnerable anymore, but why risk another decade of stalled progress?

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I like this connection of the Nursing School to DCH. RTR
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2026, 7:30 PM
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By the way, I've always been a true Independent when it comes to politics. That said, I wouldn't vote for Tub-O-Shit if you put a bazooka to my head. Doug better present himself as a "Centrist" if he wants to have a chance of winning in this ruby red state. Imagine that, a centrist (which is what a majority of Americans want). Is that so hard?

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I like this connection of the Nursing School to DCH. RTR

Is this happening?
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2026, 1:33 AM
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Yes. It's a part of the renovation and expansion of the Nursing School building.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2026, 2:11 AM
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Yes. It's a part of the renovation and expansion of the Nursing School building.
I saw that and love it! Hopefully, UA will eventually buy up the rest of the properties south of University and west of DCH.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2026, 3:17 PM
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That's excellent to hear. Was this a long time coming or a Peter Mohler initiative? Hope it's the latter just to showcase we finally a president taking action.
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It's been in the works awhile. A lot of things that are being built on campus now. or about to be built, have been planned for a few years. Mohler has made some moves with hires to set up his administration and setting some new policy. I'm looking forward to seeing his imprint becoming more substantial on campus.
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2026, 12:16 PM
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Mohler has already raised admisson standards by shortening the application window for out of state students. He also has instituted a holistic admissions standard whereby students are judged not just by their scores but by things that correlate highly with higher test scores, such as leadership experience and rigorous high school coursework. Application process now favors non inflated GPAs, as in GPA's not inflated due to rigorous high school coursework. Also, semester by semester scholarship audits as opposed to yealy audits, put more pressure on students to maintain high GPAs. UA is starting to seem less desperate in its admissions process.

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Some numbers for UA alumni and supporters to think about. Today, at the University of Alabama, 1,235 students will receive their degrees. That means for the school year that began in the Fall of 2025, UA will graduate 10,277 this year, breaking the 10,000 mark for the first time. Dr, Witt's first year, in 2003, UA graduated 4,365. My, how things have changed. Below, are the numbers for this wonderful trend.

25- 10,277
24- 9,683
23- 9,181
22- 9,231
21- 9,433
20- 9,612
19- 9,668
18- 9,098
17- 8,881
16- 8,564
15- 8,491
14- 7,905
13- 7,582
12- 7,190

(and, on down to 4,365 in 2003)

The plan is to continue to graduate over 10,000 per year from this point forward. These numbers have already made a difference for UA in fundraising and support. It's fun to watch a lot of these new graduates find success in their lives. The BAMA Nation is stronger today than ever. RTR
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2026, 5:01 PM
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I had a little bit of downtime today at work so I asked GenAI some questions regarding alumni salary outputs compared to STEM % of schools. I first did the comparison of UA vs AU and then did a value add comparison of all the schools in the SEC. Some interesting information and fun to talk about:

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Can I get a full list and rank the schools from the Southeastern Conference?

🏆 SEC Universities Ranked by Alumni Salary Potential
SEC Rank University Early Career Median Pay Mid-Career Median Pay
1 Vanderbilt University ~$82,000 ~$148,000
2 Texas A&M University ~$74,000 ~$144,000
3 University of Texas at Austin ~$77,000 ~$141,000
4 University of Florida ~$68,000 ~$125,000
5 Auburn University ~$66,000 ~$120,000
6 University of Georgia ~$64,000 ~$118,000
7 University of Oklahoma ~$63,000 ~$115,000
8 Louisiana State University (LSU) ~$63,000 ~$115,000
9 University of Alabama ~$62,000 ~$112,000
10 University of Missouri ~$61,000 ~$110,000
11 University of Tennessee ~$60,000 ~$108,000
12 University of Arkansas ~$60,000 ~$106,000
13 University of South Carolina ~$59,000 ~$106,000
14 Mississippi State University ~$60,000 ~$105,000
15 University of Kentucky ~$59,000 ~$104,000
16 University of Mississippi (Ole Miss) ~$58,000 ~$102,000
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I then did a STEM % for each school. All of this is based on payscale website and Princeton Review

🔬 SEC Schools Ranked by STEM Graduate Percentage
STEM Rank SEC Salary Rank School Name % of Graduates in STEM Majors Mid-Career Median Salary
1 2 Texas A&M University 32%
$144,000
2 3 University of Texas at Austin 30%
$141,000
3 4 University of Florida 29%
$125,000
4 1 Vanderbilt University 28% $148,000
5 5 Auburn University 26% $120,000
6 14 Mississippi State University 25% $105,000
7 7 University of Oklahoma 24% $115,000
8 11 University of Tennessee 22%
$108,000
9 9 University of Alabama 21% $112,000
10 10 University of Missouri 19% $110,000
11 8 Louisiana State University (LSU) 18% $115,000
12 6 University of Georgia 17%
$118,000
13 15 University of Kentucky 17% $104,000
14 12 University of Arkansas 16% $106,000
15 13 University of South Carolina 15% $106,000
16 16 University of Mississippi (Ole Miss) 12% $102,000

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I then asked this question:

Comparing University of Alabama vs Auburn University with STEM % and Mid career median salary would it be incorrect to say that the University of Alabama alumni does a better job than their rankings suggest?

Based on the data we just examined, it is entirely correct and highly accurate to say that the University of Alabama (UA) "punches above its weight class" and performs better than its raw rankings suggest—especially when compared to Auburn University.

When you evaluate both schools side-by-side using a "STEM Efficiency Index" (how much salary they generate relative to how many STEM majors they produce), Alabama is actually the more efficient school at generating high mid-career salaries outside of traditional engineering.

📊 Alabama vs. Auburn: The Head-to-Head Comparison
To see why Alabama outperforms expectations, look at the delta between their STEM percentages and their final mid-career salaries:

University SEC Salary Rank Mid-Career Median Salary % of Graduates in STEM Salary "Yield" Per STEM %
University of Alabama 9 $112,000 21% $5,333 per 1% STEM
Auburn University 5 $120,000 26% $4,615 per 1% STEM

🧠 Why Alabama Alumni Are Outperforming Their Metrics
If you purely look at the headline rankings, Auburn is ranked 4 spots higher in salary. However, Auburn's advantage is almost entirely driven by having a much larger portion of its student body in high-paying engineering majors.

When you look deeper, Alabama alumni do a phenomenal job of closing that gap

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With that answer what would the rankings be on a "Value Add" comparison of all schools in the Southeastern Conference?

📊 SEC Universities Ranked by "Value Add" (Salary Yield per STEM %)
Value Add Rank University Mid-Career Salary % in STEM "Value Add" Index (Salary per 1% STEM) Raw Salary Rank
1 University of Mississippi (Ole Miss) $102,000 12% $8,500 16
2 University of South Carolina $106,000 15% $7,066 13
3 University of Georgia $118,000 17% $6,941 6
4 University of Arkansas $106,000 16% $6,625 12
5 Louisiana State University (LSU) $115,000 18% $6,388 8
6 University of Kentucky $104,000 17% $6,117 15
7 University of Missouri $110,000 19% $5,789 10
8 University of Alabama $112,000 21% $5,333 9
9 Vanderbilt University $148,000 28% $5,285 1
10 University of Tennessee $108,000 22% $4,909 11
11 University of Oklahoma $115,000 24% $4,791 7
12 University of Texas at Austin $141,000 30% $4,700 3
13 Auburn University $120,000 26% $4,615 5
14 Texas A&M University $144,000 32% $4,500 2
15 University of Florida $125,000 29% $4,310 4
16 Mississippi State University $105,000 25% $4,200 14


Anyway, I thought that was interesting and feel great about our students who are graduating knowing they will do well in their careers.
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Interesting data, Chad!!! Good work!!! A couple of years ago, I saw some data for the Engineering School graduates that showed UA had higher starting salaries and were more likely to move into management positions than AU grads. RTR
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2026, 2:20 AM
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This is the kind of data that UA needs to get out there to reclaim the momentum in enrolling top STEM students. Thank God Bell is gone and Mohler is on it!
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Great observations by John Mitchell with the Bama Hammer about Coleman Coliseum.

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