NEW ORLEANS | Project/Development Thread

[York1]

In the 1960s when some of the tall buildings were being planned and built, the population of New Orleans was over 620,000. Today, it's less than 360,000. Although the metro area population is up, it's seems likely a city with a declining population and much of the metro area across a lake, businesses would be reluctant to put up multimillion dollar tall buildings. It's much more likely they would choose to build large, lower-height buildings in outlying areas.

[Chris from N.O.]

Originally Posted by York1

In the 1960s when some of the tall buildings were being planned and built, the population of New Orleans was over 620,000. Today, it's less than 360,000. Although the metro area population is up, it's seems likely a city with a declining population and much of the metro area across a lake, businesses would be reluctant to put up multimillion dollar tall buildings. It's much more likely they would choose to build large, lower-height buildings in outlying areas.

this kind of adds to what you're saying but Saint Tammany is actually its own metro now. it's independent of the South shore enough now that it split off. and it's constantly growing so yeah there's demand up there for people who both live and work on the Northshore

[broadmoor]

Originally Posted by Chris from N.O.

this kind of adds to what you're saying but Saint Tammany is actually its own metro now. it's independent of the South shore enough now that it split off. and it's constantly growing so yeah there's demand up there for people who both live and work on the Northshore

This is all true, but at the same time the Census appears to be leaning on Combined Statistical Areas a lot these days, and it generally is more aligned with how people casually refer to a metro area. By their definition, they "can be characterized as representing larger regions that reflect wider-ranging social and economic interactions, such as wholesaling, commodity distribution, and weekend recreation activities." To me, this is the definition a major corporation might use when deciding if they want to enter the "New Orleans market." Here's their latest map, showing that, for New Orleans, it's a combination of the NOLA metro, the new Northshore metro, and Washington Parish and Pearl River County (MS).

https://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/metroarea/us_wall/Jul2023/CSA_WallMap_Jul2023.pdf

[Green0007]

I drove by the new hotel on St Charles, which I believe is being branded as the Warbler Hotel (old trolley stop). Facade looks great, lighter colored brick. Looks better than I hoped.

They also announced the restaurant for the space:

Mildred’s and Upstairs at the Warbler Hotel
1923 St. Charles Ave., projected late September

The Warbler is a forthcoming, six-story boutique hotel that will have 58 rooms and a bar and a restaurant each led by Neal Bodenheimer, founder of the acclaimed Uptown cocktail lounge Cure, and other projects, along with his longtime collaborator Kirk Estopinal.

[Chris from N.O.]

Originally Posted by broadmoor

This is all true, but at the same time the Census appears to be leaning on Combined Statistical Areas a lot these days, and it generally is more aligned with how people casually refer to a metro area. By their definition, they "can be characterized as representing larger regions that reflect wider-ranging social and economic interactions, such as wholesaling, commodity distribution, and weekend recreation activities." To me, this is the definition a major corporation might use when deciding if they want to enter the "New Orleans market." Here's their latest map, showing that, for New Orleans, it's a combination of the NOLA metro, the new Northshore metro, and Washington Parish and Pearl River County (MS).

https://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/metroarea/us_wall/Jul2023/CSA_WallMap_Jul2023.pdf

I mean yeah unless this has changed recently some of the differences between an MSA and a CSA are kind of ridiculous. like San Francisco and Oakland are one MSA and San Jose is another. or the inland Empire is a separate MSA from Los Angeles. so I think the 49ers don't actually play in the San Francisco MSA (Hammond used to be part of our CSA though but it got reallocated to BR. but I mean I don't think they're going to start rooting for teams other than the Saints. they're also LSU fans too so

[York1]

Are there any figures showing how many people living in the outlying parts of the New Orleans metro actually work in the city, and even more how many work in the CBD?

I think a business considering building a tall building in the CBD would have to consider how the workforce would be able to access the building the every day.

[socigradstudent]

Does anyone know if Planet Fitness is still planning to have a location in the South Market District?

[ardecila]

Originally Posted by York1

In the 1960s when some of the tall buildings were being planned and built, the population of New Orleans was over 620,000. Today, it's less than 360,000. Although the metro area population is up, it's seems likely a city with a declining population and much of the metro area across a lake, businesses would be reluctant to put up multimillion dollar tall buildings. It's much more likely they would choose to build large, lower-height buildings in outlying areas.

This is a side note but a lot of this is related to declining household sizes. People having fewer kids, grandma now lives in an old folks home instead of with her kids and grandkids, etc. # of households is a better indication of the demand for jobs and thus office space.

Orleans Parish
1960: 627,525 individuals
2020: 383,997 individuals (-39%)

1960: 189,901 households
2020: 151,753 households (-20%)

Also, I'm pretty sure the total population south of the lake (Orleans, Jefferson, St Bernard Parishes) is still larger than 1960, so even if the North Shore is not super relevant to New Orleans office demand it should still be a net gain.

[NOLAslimm]

Originally Posted by socigradstudent

Does anyone know if Planet Fitness is still planning to have a location in the South Market District?

Yes they are moving in where Arhaus Furniture was at 939 Girod

[BlueDot]

Originally Posted by NOLAslimm

Yes they are moving in where Arhaus Furniture was at 939 Girod

Speaking of South Market- did they ever announce the sixth and final phase?

[Franco96]

I gave up on the south market lol. It’s laughable

[socigradstudent]

Originally Posted by NOLAslimm

Yes they are moving in where Arhaus Furniture was at 939 Girod

I drove by recently and didn't see any active site work, so I wasn't sure.

[RickyJ]

I live in the CBD. I’m in Rouses a few times a week. There’s been absolutely NO activity in the vacant Arhaus location since Planet Fitness announced they were opening 1 1/2 years ago. The windows remain covered. Location is locked.

[BlueDot]

How’s the LaSalle Garage construction coming along ; and any update on when Charity renovation will start ?

[Chris from N.O.]

Some Lindy Boggs updates:

https://www.nola.com/news/demolition-lin...324177e057c.html#tncms-source=featured-2

Flower said Sunday that crews began preparing the site for teardown in mid-July, a process that included installing monitoring devices and other protective measures.

Environmental remediation efforts began shortly after that and has since been completed in two separate, small buildings — the old central plant and nursing school. Demolition of those two buildings will begin on Tuesday, Flower said.

Remediation of the main building is expected to be completed by early September, and the full teardown of that building will likely take four to five months, he said.

Building of the 4-million gallon water retention tank will begin once demolition is nearly entirely finished and should take about three months to complete, according to Flower. Once functional, the hope is that the tank will be able to reduce street flooding on Bienville Street by a foot during heavy storms.

[Green0007]

What is the 'missing middle' of New Orleans housing? This apartment complex aims to fill it.

Article on the new apartments going up at Celeste and Tchoupitoulas streets. The article has some photos, the photo showing the view of the River really exemplifies the need for more construction along the river to take advantage of the views. The area on the other side of the flood wall desparetly needs to be a park.


https://www.nola.com/news/business/mille...89480ade2.html#tncms-source=featured-top

[Franco96]

Originally Posted by Green0007

What is the 'missing middle' of New Orleans housing? This apartment complex aims to fill it.

Article on the new apartments going up at Celeste and Tchoupitoulas streets. The article has some photos, the photo showing the view of the River really exemplifies the need for more construction along the river to take advantage of the views. The area on the other side of the flood wall desparetly needs to be a park.


https://www.nola.com/news/business/mille...89480ade2.html#tncms-source=featured-top

I didn’t even know they was building these

[NOLAslimm]

in and out of town constantly, finally a break. some pics from driving/flying around Metairie/Elmwood/Kenner

New shopping mall next to Lakeside Hospital, Clearview and i10 area



Oschner sports medicine on airline



old Zeypher stadium is being renovated and upgraded, assuming for the Rugby if we still have them...outfield levee gone, pilings in, seats coming out




old Kmart in Elmwood is finally getting those apartments



that $85 million dollar road that is supposed to follow the existing road at sunkin terminal MSY, seems to be really short and exiting onto the airport access road



heres that $15 mil concrete expansion lol...im in the wrong business



old Animal Shelter by Clearview and Earhardt, assume its a new building for the same thing



Clearview mall is under way, you can see through all the way to the parking garage behind Target

[RickyJ]

‘Available for Lease’ sign is NOW on former Arhaus location in South Market where Planet Fitness announced they were moving.

[broadmoor]

Originally Posted by RickyJ

‘Available for Lease’ sign is NOW on former Arhaus location in South Market where Planet Fitness announced they were moving.

Planet Fitness always seemed like a weird choice there. All the new residents have access to gyms in their buildings, and people who want something better than an apartment complex gym probably don't think Planet Fitness is the spot. I would think something like an LA Fitness would do better just by filling an emptier niche with a (slightly) more premium positioning. But I think a gym is a tough sell there in a time when residential developments build gyms inside.

I wonder if there's any way they can chop up the space for multiple smaller footprint tenants? Given the square footage, there's definitely a limited set of potential commercial tenants. It's too bad bookstores aren't doing better, because I could see a Barnes & Noble fitting in well there.