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Old Posted Jun 29, 2026, 6:55 PM
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I agree that food service would make sense for there, those two plots are currently for lease. They've pitched two buildings, one is 9,000sf and the other 7,500sf.

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Yes, I remember this now. I wonder whether they already knew the hotel was coming and told prospective tenants, or whether they will see increased interest now that the hotel is public knowledge.

Doesn't seem to have been any movement on the self-storage across the street. I believe the sign is still up.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2026, 7:35 PM
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People in Lorenville are mad at John Ross and Sons wanting to scrap more metal stuff their location. Again, people who are mad at industry in a industrial park are something else.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2026, 12:45 AM
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This is the concept layout from the North End Plan. Slightly different in that they've gone for two buildings on the eastern portion, but honestly, I think this is close to what the city wanted. If I were involved in the North End Plan and learned this had been proposed so soon after, I'd be very pleased.

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Old Posted Jul 6, 2026, 5:31 PM
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A source of mine says Percy has a third project in mind, but did not purchase any land yet. Maybe he’s eyeing the Tin Can Beach property - I’m just guessing it’s an option he would look at.
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A source of mine says Percy has a third project in mind, but did not purchase any land yet. Maybe he’s eyeing the Tin Can Beach property - I’m just guessing it’s an option he would look at.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2026, 7:25 PM
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He must be stopped!
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2026, 7:29 PM
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A source of mine says Percy has a third project in mind, but did not purchase any land yet. Maybe he’s eyeing the Tin Can Beach property - I’m just guessing it’s an option he would look at.
Please Percy, stay away from Tin Can Beach. What land can we find for him far away from anything important?
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2026, 8:24 PM
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Please Percy, stay away from Tin Can Beach. What land can we find for him far away from anything important?
I’d welcome Mr. Wilbur building simpler, less aesthetically offensive high rises in other parts of the city, or even elsewhere Uptown, but my God, don’t over complicate the next one if he plans to build another high rise on the central peninsula.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2026, 8:30 PM
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Uptown Saint John should have a booming condo market, but it never has, even post 2020 hype for New Brunswick. It’s def not time to give up on dreams of getting some nicer high rise projects built when SJ is the third biggest port in Canada and one of the fastest growing container ports in North America… but we probably do need to get some serious outside investors to invest in SJ real estate for that to happen.

Lafford’s project for the South End is one of the most notable residential proposals for SJ from a non local developers in a long time… and they are only from as far away as Moncton.

Imagine the type of buildings we could see go up elsewhere around Uptown Saint John if some prime locations and vacant properties were sold to major property developers from elsewhere in Canada or around the world. The port is our gateway to the world, and puts Saint John, NB on the map… Surely, there must be a way to leverage that unique position to make connections with global property developers willing to invest in local projects here in Saint John.

We should be seeing much bigger proposals from our “new” governments (both provincially and federally). There’s federally and provincially owned property around Saint John that could be turned into really ambitious housing developments that actually show the electorate that they’re also funding some big solutions, instead of just funding more and more 3-6 storey boxes.

New Brunswickers receive mostly uninspiring updates from our provincial housing minister about dozens of units built here and there, or multi million dollar deals to make some units temporarily affordable in developments like 99 King. If I’m not mistaken, the province hasn’t funded the construction of a single publicly owned apartment tower over 10 storeys since this housing crisis began. I’m not sure how much SJ is on the radar of the federal housing minister, but as the former mayor of Canada’s biggest port city that very much “grew upwards”, maybe Hickey and Wayne Long can get minister Robertson, PM Carney, and Susan Holt to back

I understand the bulk of the housing we need is going to be 6 floors and below, or even 3 floors and below, but there’s still a lot of valid reasons to want to stimulate the growth of larger scale, high rise developments. Taller buildings reduce urban sprawl, and in some locations, can provide hundreds of new units of housing without the need to corresponding parking spots. Taller buildings will also just make our NB cities feel bigger, and be more welcoming to newcomers, especially building “up” is part of the strategy to eventually have a surplus of affordable rental units across the big 3 cities of NB.

The city has already put out their North End plan, and the province and Feds should step up and find ways to get that plan built, including pursuing private public partnerships and even fully publicly funded developments designed to solve the housing crisis in one of Canada’s oldest municipalities. This isn’t about trying to revive failed “towers in the park” strategies from decades ago, it’s about rebuilding this city into something great again, by building bigger, building bolder, and building now.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2026, 9:26 PM
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Surely there's some land on the Old Black River Rd he could look at.
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2026, 3:39 PM
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Surely there's some land on the Old Black River Rd he could look at.
Or... just "stay in your lane". As a developer, he has no business building "luxury" apartments. Stick to rent-geared-to-income apartment buildings that are designed and built for people to actually live in.
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Or... just "stay in your lane". As a developer, he has no business building "luxury" apartments. Stick to rent-geared-to-income apartment buildings that are designed and built for people to actually live in.
Did you just say a developer has no business building luxury apartments? Seriously?

I'd say what a developer chooses to build on his own property is nobody's business other than his, his bank's and Municipal planning's.
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2026, 4:16 PM
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Did you just say a developer has no business building luxury apartments? Seriously?

I'd say what a developer chooses to build on his own property is nobody's business other than his, his bank's and Municipal planning's.
Not all developers. One specific developer. He made it the taxpayers business when he started begging for money and received 2.4 million, which would have been fine I suppose if he didn't proceed to value engineer the shit out of what could have been an aesthetically pleasing building with far more functionality than it has now in it's faux brutalist precast concrete configuration.
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2026, 5:11 PM
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Not all developers. One specific developer. He made it the taxpayers business when he started begging for money and received 2.4 million, which would have been fine I suppose if he didn't proceed to value engineer the shit out of what could have been an aesthetically pleasing building with far more functionality than it has now in it's faux brutalist precast concrete configuration.
Well, we are in agreement on your second point. As to the government money, aren't some of the apartments there priced as :affordable housing" in return for that money?
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2026, 5:22 PM
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Well, we are in agreement on your second point. As to the government money, aren't some of the apartments there priced as :affordable housing" in return for that money?
Receiving public funding doesn't mean the developer is running a charity. I'm sure you know this, I'm just putting this here for anyone who may think otherwise. Affordable housing programs are generally designed so the project remains profitable over the long term through a combination of subsidies, financing, and rental income. The public takes on part of the risk while the developer still owns an income-producing asset. It's mostly about making sure the project actually gets built, and that's why I have issue with it. Percy only came-a-beggin' after the foundation was poured. He's a sloppy disorganized parasitic developer, and that's why I stated in my initial post that he has no business building "luxury" apartments. It's like people who buy a million dollar home and can't afford to furnish it instead of buying a more modest 400k home and having money to pay towards the principle, some for a rainy day, and enough to furnish it.
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Saw this one Facebook.
People are threatening to boycott the Moonlight Bazzar because of the one sponsors is the company looking to build a data center in Lorenville. To me it's silly to boycott the whole event because of a single sponsor.
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Saw this one Facebook.
People are threatening to boycott the Moonlight Bazzar because of the one sponsors is the company looking to build a data center in Lorenville. To me it's silly to boycott the whole event because of a single sponsor.
Their logo was AI generated? The irony if so
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I said this from the start, but the bigger the JDI energy project gets the more and more ridiculous I think it is that it was allowed to go ahead at this location. The mill itself looks ridiculous to be so central to the core of the city, then to add what is essentially a giant wood-fired generation plant so close to not only a main route through the city but also neighbourhoods, local businesses, and tourist sites is wild - if you look at it through the eyes of a non-Saint Johner. Even ignoring the noise/pollution/visual impact on the immediate surroundings, the truck and train traffic needed to supply the whole complex requires moving through some of the most central neighbourhoods of the city and puts a significant amount of additional wear and strain on those networks.

I get the economic arguments, but I'm just saying the site is absurd and because the mill has been there for so long it wasn't questioned by anyone in the community in the slightest. Luckily the bigger and taller Uptown gets the harder and harder it will be to see the area from our waterfront and prime commercial and residential streets.
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2026, 1:46 PM
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Uptown Saint John should have a booming condo market, but it never has, even post 2020 hype for New Brunswick. It’s def not time to give up on dreams of getting some nicer high rise projects built when SJ is the third biggest port in Canada and one of the fastest growing container ports in North America… but we probably do need to get some serious outside investors to invest in SJ real estate for that to happen.
This reminded me to comment about 243 Prince William. From what I understand, a lot of folks have been trying to leave there recently. Some units are uninhabitable due to leaks, and there has been serious and repeated theft, leading to the installation of a beefed-up security system. Several of the units have sat on the market for months.

It certainly wouldn't fill me with confidence if I were considering building condos, but perhaps this example shouldn't reflect poorly on them all.

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I said this from the start, but the bigger the JDI energy project gets the more and more ridiculous I think it is that it was allowed to go ahead at this location. The mill itself looks ridiculous to be so central to the core of the city, then to add what is essentially a giant wood-fired generation plant so close to not only a main route through the city but also neighbourhoods, local businesses, and tourist sites is wild - if you look at it through the eyes of a non-Saint Johner. Even ignoring the noise/pollution/visual impact on the immediate surroundings, the truck and train traffic needed to supply the whole complex requires moving through some of the most central neighbourhoods of the city and puts a significant amount of additional wear and strain on those networks.

I get the economic arguments, but I'm just saying the site is absurd and because the mill has been there for so long it wasn't questioned by anyone in the community in the slightest. Luckily the bigger and taller Uptown gets the harder and harder it will be to see the area from our waterfront and prime commercial and residential streets.
I am not sure I agree with this take. The mill, alongside the refinery and the port, is key to the city's economic success. Its location made perfect sense at the time and helped Saint John grow into the city it is today. In a period when many mills are closing, it is impressive that ours is growing and becoming one of the largest and most technologically advanced in North America.

The idea that we should shut it down so folks have a nicer view of reversing falls is ridiculous. We should be proud to be an industrial city. As someone who grew up elsewhere, I was impressed by industries like the mill when I first came here. There have been great strides over the last few decades, and it is less polluting than it was in the past. From my understanding, the remaining west-side smells are more from the brewery than from the mill.

Now, that being said, the city and the province are not absolved of dealing with its consequences. Simm's Corner needs to be addressed as soon as possible to ensure the mill, the port, and the west side can co-function effectively.

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