Manitoba Highways

[Mr Tall Forehead]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Based on the property map here, there is intermittent right of way allocated for widening on the south side. Some areas would still need land acquisition.

https://kenora.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/basic/index.html?appid=d62a0193379c4bd7ba56ce708a595d54

The ownership map adjacent to the Kenora bypass is interesting. I've seen it previously and wondered if the parts with the wider right-of-ways are Crown lands and the narrower right-of-ways private lands...or vice versa?

The bypass was built in what...the 1980's? I'm assuming (but could be wrong) that the wider areas are Crown land adjacent as the style at the time would have been to re-purpose as much Crown land as needed without worrying about rights holder consultations or anything - whereas expropriating private lands would have been kept to the minimum required because of cost and blow back.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by drew

As long as it's provincial gov'ts paying for it, twinning to Kenora is what we should be expecting, and the reality that my comment is based on. If the Feds want to back up the money truck - great - have at a coast to coast to coast divided freeway.

On a selfish note, twinning this section to Kenora would be great for me personally - as I go out to NWO regularly for cottaging/camping/canoeing. I have turned around on several occasions (usually Sunday's of long weekends, or if there is an accident) when the traffic starts backing up from the MB border - sometimes as far back as Clearwater Bay.

I don't think change of ownership would accelerate anything either. The Feds have controlled the TCH through the national parks in the Rockies (Banff, Yoho, Glacier) since the beginning, and only Banff is at a 4 lane freeway through it's length (great quality with numerous wildlife over/underpasses mind you).

Only 6/46 km in Yoho are twinned, barely anything in Glacier, mostly 2+1 where a second lane is added on the uphills. Yoho has detailed plans for full twinning, but they're waiting for the federal money truck that doesn't seem to be anywhere.

[Dengler Avenue]

4 lane freeway, 2+1s, or the status quo, it doesn't change the travel time from Western Canada to the GTA. Trucks and most other vehicles traveling through will still cut through the USA even if we pave a freeway through NWO. It's just much shorter stateside.

Even a 2+1 configuration between Shabaqua Corners to Kenora (with pockets of divided 4 lanes) may render the TCH sufficiently reliable for many to travel via the Canadian side.
Right now it suffers from unreliability as some truckers pass recklessly and end up killing people on the way. 2+1 deals with that.

Originally Posted by Mr Tall Forehead

The ownership map adjacent to the Kenora bypass is interesting. I've seen it previously and wondered if the parts with the wider right-of-ways are Crown lands and the narrower right-of-ways private lands...or vice versa?

The bypass was built in what...the 1980's? I'm assuming (but could be wrong) that the wider areas are Crown land adjacent as the style at the time would have been to re-purpose as much Crown land as needed without worrying about rights holder consultations or anything - whereas expropriating private lands would have been kept to the minimum required because of cost and blow back.

Oh 1980’s… Can someone measure the ROW widths? I suspect that the narrower one is 60 m and the wider one 90 m.
Even then, MTO might widen the ROW to 100 m if it actually twins the bypass.

[bryan_ca]

Kind of topic-peripheral since MB is mentioned and NW Ont. highways are discussed here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztee6MB53Oc

The Urgent Push to Upgrade Northern Ontario Highways | The Rundown

[Dengler Avenue]

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=229872&page=82 #1629
Apparently, the Ontario Provincial Government did request federal help for its portion of TCH a while back.
It may be up to the federal government to decide now.

[bomberjet]

Looks like the Province is going ahead with re-construction of the final stretch of PTH 75 southbound. That'll finish off re-construction of the entire length of PTH 75, both directions. Probably be time soon to go back and start paving works on the stretches that were first done.

https://news.gov.mb.ca/news/?archive=&item=74346

The other big piece in the works is the Morris River bridge north of town.

[Wpgstvsouth94]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Looks like the Province is going ahead with re-construction of the final stretch of PTH 75 southbound. That'll finish off re-construction of the entire length of PTH 75, both directions. Probably be time soon to go back and start paving works on the stretches that were first done.

https://news.gov.mb.ca/news/?archive=&item=74346

The other big piece in the works is the Morris River bridge north of town.

Will it be a full concrete reconstruction? The concrete that is there is so far beyond its life.

[bomberjet]

It says bituminous. Asphalt. I'm not sure but I assume its more than an just an overlay.

[Carboy15]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

It says bituminous. Asphalt. I'm not sure but I assume its more than an just an overlay.

Y'know, I was driving on 75 between 14 and 201 lately. They finished the first layer on the right side of the road, but doing the second layer on the left side. When I drove on it, it felt bumpy. But when I got off of the first layer, there was a dropoff. They did an overlay if I'm not mistaken???

[Carboy15]

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Dz7SA2nAb/

Again, another truck hit the bridge at Kemnay lately. I know some may say it's driver error, but I think something should at least be done about it.

https://stroadz.glide.page/dl/d0a5f4/s/c0a8e8/r/rWTCLyAc85L45d4i6DG2

I remember I drew this up where Hwy 1A could bypass Kemnay to the East of town. I personally think that ultimately this should be done especially if Hwy 110 connects to TCH 1 West of Brandon.

Initially, maybe they could pave Pioneer Road between TCH 1 and TCH 1A, along with Intersection upgrades at the latter with TCH 1. 1A could be realigned onto Pioneer Road and the underpass could be shut down and only open for pedestrians. Even tho it would have an at-grade railway crossing, it would be better than having truckers keep hitting the underpass.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Carboy15

Y'know, I was driving on 75 between 14 and 201 lately. They finished the first layer on the right side of the road, but doing the second layer on the left side. When I drove on it, it felt bumpy. But when I got off of the first layer, there was a dropoff. They did an overlay if I'm not mistaken???

I haven't been down there in a couple years. They're working on it now? sounds like an overlay. But typically they'd prep the existing road. Seems early to be doing asphalt in any scenario. Maybe they're doing some kind of detour work??

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by Carboy15

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Dz7SA2nAb/

Again, another truck hit the bridge at Kemnay lately. I know some may say it's driver error, but I think something should at least be done about it.

https://stroadz.glide.page/dl/d0a5f4/s/c0a8e8/r/rWTCLyAc85L45d4i6DG2

I remember I drew this up where Hwy 1A could bypass Kemnay to the East of town. I personally think that ultimately this should be done especially if Hwy 110 connects to TCH 1 West of Brandon.

Initially, maybe they could pave Pioneer Road between TCH 1 and TCH 1A, along with Intersection upgrades at the latter with TCH 1. 1A could be realigned onto Pioneer Road and the underpass could be shut down and only open for pedestrians. Even tho it would have an at-grade railway crossing, it would be better than having truckers keep hitting the underpass.

https://www.tiktok.com/@leroyandleroy/video/7430809197870075142

[Carboy15]

Originally Posted by WildCake

https://www.tiktok.com/@leroyandleroy/video/7430809197870075142

One more sign will fix it LOL.

But at least doing something, maybe flashing signs could help at least. Or at least pave Pioneer Road (Road 117W) and promote it as an alternater truck route, and/or reroute 1A down that road.

[cammy85]

Originally Posted by Carboy15

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Dz7SA2nAb/

Again, another truck hit the bridge at Kemnay lately. I know some may say it's driver error, but I think something should at least be done about it.

https://stroadz.glide.page/dl/d0a5f4/s/c0a8e8/r/rWTCLyAc85L45d4i6DG2

I remember I drew this up where Hwy 1A could bypass Kemnay to the East of town. I personally think that ultimately this should be done especially if Hwy 110 connects to TCH 1 West of Brandon.

Interesting! Last I heard, the current highway was being extended to north of Forrest at most. People would still have to turn twice, but not have to deal with the lights at the TCH and First Street.

[craner]

Originally Posted by BorealLynx

This is exactly the thinking that I'm railing against. Designing highways based on traffic volumes alone might make sense for generic infrastructure, but not for the one highway that connects Canada from East to West. If we can't classify the TCH as a national highway at the level of a "Nation-Building" initiative, then we will never have a national highway - it will forever remain a national path.

By this line of thinking, there will never be a highway to Churchill or even a dirt road for that matter, and it wouldn't even justify any upgrade to the rail line to Churchill. Traffic volume makes sense for determining interchanges along the TCH or the Perimeter Hwy, and for twinning Hwys 59 and 52 to Steinbach, but not for the only artery that connects Canada as a nation, from the perspectives of both personal travel and commercial transportation.

My point - you can't assess "nation-building" projects on the same merits as regular infrastructure; otherwise, they would have already been done. The whole point here is to make a difference where conventional justifications might fall short.

Well said. I wish you were running for PM.

[craner]

Originally Posted by WildCake

I don't think change of ownership would accelerate anything either. The Feds have controlled the TCH through the national parks in the Rockies (Banff, Yoho, Glacier) since the beginning, and only Banff is at a 4 lane freeway through it's length (great quality with numerous wildlife over/underpasses mind you).

Only 6/46 km in Yoho are twinned, barely anything in Glacier, mostly 2+1 where a second lane is added on the uphills. Yoho has detailed plans for full twinning, but they're waiting for the federal money truck that doesn't seem to be anywhere.

This seems like such low hanging fruit - it’s a no-brainer to call it a NBP.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by craner

This seems like such low hanging fruit - it’s a no-brainer to call it a NBP.

Is it really a no-brainer? Has geotechnical investigation been done?

[craner]

I’m not sure how far into detailing and investigations they have got but there are two websites that sate construction is ready to begin when funding is committed.

http://https://parks.canada.ca/pn-np/bc/yoho/gestion-mgmt/rtc-tch

http://https://parks.canada.ca/-/media/pn-np/bc/yoho/wet4/pdf/tch-twinning/apercu-du-projet_phaseivb_project-overview.pdf?_ga=2.148606199.1305111974.1581079983-1263092526.1581079983

[Carboy15]

https://www.merx.com/mbgov/manitobainfra...DER-6-6KM-NORTH-OF-PTH-14-S-B/0000291998

https://youtu.be/Q_bN3kx5fm4?si=ups3TLKpF-KTN28x

I see what they're doing on 75 now. It appears they're rubbilizing the base concrete in order to use it as a base. Therefore it fills in the big cracks and they'll put Bitumous Asphalt on top of that.

That's an interesting process, didn't know that even existed. But I'm relieved that it's not like they're just packing over the current broken stuff. That would be a Bandage on a Broken Bone.