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Old Posted Mar 28, 2024, 4:22 PM
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It's been a year since he wrote that. Maybe he's getting a bit of his wish with the latest budget reveal for Kanata BRT?
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2024, 7:36 PM
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Not really “Future Plans”, but Kitchissippi’s comment, in the Confederation Line West LRT thread, about fully automated Metro from Lincoln Fields to Hurdman makes me think about how I would have liked to see things develop in the past.

My dream probably would have cost a bit more, since I would have done a bit more tunnelling. However, I would have made all of the tunnels using Cut & Cover (except in areas where it was impractical) to lower cost and make the stations much shallower. In hindsight, the roads were so disrupted by the LRT construction anyway, there was little benefit in doing the expensive mining.

The big changes I would have made would be planning for the Central Library / LAC to be on the other side of a re-aligned Albert, with an integrated below grade LRT station; the line running under Slater (instead of Queen); putting the uOttawa and Lees Stations underground; and tunneling through the Hurdman wasteland, and under Riverside Drive. (I chose Slater as that was the road that the old 1970s plan chose because the infrastructure under Slater needed to be replaced anyway; so, a Cut & Cover tunnel could be done at the same time, more cost effectively.)



Notice in the graphic, that the Confederation Line (in red) no longer goes to Rideau. Since most of the travelers on that line were not destined for the By Ward Market, I skipped that detour. Access to the Rideau Centre is provided through a pedestrian tunnel under the canal. The re-routed Trillium Line (fuchsia line along Bank) covers The Market.

Ideally, the Bank Street Subway would have been built as a shallow line, just under the new infrastructure, when Bank was completely dug-up from Wellington through the Glebe. There could have been side platforms, accessible via stairs and a small elevator on each of the four corners of an intersection – thus providing redundant access by simply crossing a side street.

As drawn, the Bank Street route could be below or at grade. I have also shown a possible branch across the Ottawa River. If this is a subway, it could include both Lines 2 and 4, splitting them at Sparks, with, say, Line 2 going directly to the government buildings.

Stating at the west, I would have the line descending underground before Booth Street. The Pimisi Station has been moved under the new library. Booth Street could have been MUCH less elaborate. The Central Library would have backed into the hill, and provided access from the upper and lower levels – and added a funicular at the end of Laurier Ave (just for the FUN of it).

There is a transfer station between the LRT lines under Bank Street, and another underground station under Confederation Park. That station would have pedestrian tunnels to the NAC (through its underground parking) and a longer one to the Congress Centre and Rideau Centre (probably ending at the Rideau Centre - DND HQ underpass).

The uOttawa Station is now underground (likely under Nicholas with an underpass of Nicholas at each end). The train then emerges as the ground drops and uses the existing 417 underpass. However, it does not turn as sharply to use the existing Transitway ramp to the river crossing. The train stays below grade and passes under the Rideau River through a station that spans the river. (Yes, this will be complex; but it is do-able.) This station provides access from the Lees Campus, and any future development at Hurdman.

Notice that I have completely removed a separate station at Hurdman and the associated bus facilities. I simply have the SE Transitway buses continue to a transfer point at Lees Station. The road surface (Transitway) would no longer drop to below grade north of the bridge, but would stay at grade and intersect with Lees Avenue (likely at a roundabout, since there would be several converging roads). A bus lay-up would be provided there, freeing up most of the land at Hurdman. Buses could, if needed, continue north on Lees and King Edward.

I would have kept the train underground through Hurdman Field and under Riverside Drive. Yes, I know that there is a large pipe there, but I expect that a Cut & Cover tunnel could still go under it.
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Got bored at work and made a hopeful transit map. Tried to reclaim a bit of the unused rail line that goes from the hospital to prince of wales which then turns into a bank street tunnel. Would love a REM type train for this. Also I drove on Carling recently and with so many towers going up they will need something, maybe like the Finch LRT level of transit, potentially Eglington but that is mostly underground. Let me know what we think lol http://metrodreamin.com/view/R1gxVnlNYU5CblJGVHNWcDloak1vODYwVzJ4MXww
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Got bored at work and made a hopeful transit map. Tried to reclaim a bit of the unused rail line that goes from the hospital to prince of wales which then turns into a bank street tunnel. Would love a REM type train for this. Also I drove on Carling recently and with so many towers going up they will need something, maybe like the Finch LRT level of transit, potentially Eglington but that is mostly underground. Let me know what we think lol http://metrodreamin.com/view/R1gxVnlNYU5CblJGVHNWcDloak1vODYwVzJ4MXww

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Old Posted Mar 16, 2026, 6:40 PM
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My fantasy for Line 3 would be to split it off Line 1 at Hurdman and then have it go down the former AltaVista Parkway corridor via the General Hospital to Conroy and end in a terminus at the Hunt Club/417 interchange. The Hunt Club Station could be integrated into a large multi-storey park-and-ride garage and rural bus station. This has the potential to reduce the volume of traffic entering downtown.

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Old Posted Mar 16, 2026, 7:27 PM
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My fantasy for Line 3 would be to split it off Line 1 at Hurdman and then have it go down the former AltaVista Parkway corridor via the General Hospital to Conroy and end in a terminus at the Hunt Club/417 interchange. The Hunt Club Station could be integrated into a large multi-storey park-and-ride garage and rural bus station. This has the potential to reduce the volume of traffic entering downtown.

I certainly remain disappointed that the City removed the inner Greenbelt section of the Cumberland Transitway in 2013 because of some BS about space in the Hydro Corridor. Imagine the ridership from the General Hospital campus, with around 10k employees + uOttawa staff and students + outpatients, if it was served by a train every 5 minutes.

And that's before considering the Pearly Health campus, medium density, areas, industrial areas poorly served by transit, and the Science and Tech Museum.


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Old Posted Jun 23, 2026, 12:37 PM
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With the talks about too many connections and lack of direct trains to downtown, would this ever be possible/considered?

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Old Posted Jun 23, 2026, 1:12 PM
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The connection at Bayview was the original plan cancelled by Jim Watson to save money. It was also decided to not use the same trains on both lines at about the same time also to save money.

Bayview Station was originally to be to further east where Line 1 and 2 came together for interlining into the tunnel.

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The connection at Bayview was the original plan cancelled by Jim Watson to save money. It was also decided to not use the same trains on both lines at about the same time also to save money.

Bayview Station was originally to be to further east where Line 1 and 2 came together for interlining into the tunnel.
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The connection at Bayview was the original plan cancelled by Jim Watson to save money. It was also decided to not use the same trains on both lines at about the same time also to save money.

Bayview Station was originally to be to further east where Line 1 and 2 came together for interlining into the tunnel.
Also eventually saving money by not having interlining. Forcing a transfer is more effective and avoids the future problem of everyone expecting a one seat trip all the time on the train.
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Also eventually saving money by not having interlining. Forcing a transfer is more effective and avoids the future problem of everyone expecting a one seat trip all the time on the train.
I don't see a transfer at Bayview being the end of the world.

In a world of free money I would love to see a 3rd express track in the middle of all our lines that run a peak hours 1 way service with limited stops. SK and Carlton for example and just bomb that train down the middle as fast as is allowed.

The airport link train in Bangkok clips along at 120kmh and its lovely.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2026, 5:38 PM
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I don't see a transfer at Bayview being the end of the world.

In a world of free money I would love to see a 3rd express track in the middle of all our lines that run a peak hours 1 way service with limited stops. SK and Carlton for example and just bomb that train down the middle as fast as is allowed.

The airport link train in Bangkok clips along at 120kmh and its lovely.
It is when you have to transfer a second time to get home with difficult to predict transfers to the final bus running every half hour.

Up until 2019, there was a well used express bus that became a transfer at Hurdman which has now become two transfers. How many will abandon transit under these circumstances? With how much ridership has fallen, clearly many believe that rail and the bus connections does not serve their needs anymore. That is certainly the case with me. I am not doing the 2 transfer business and then arrive at Greenboro with a 25 minute wait to get home. It has happened too often.
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It is when you have to transfer a second time to get home with difficult to predict transfers to the final bus running every half hour.
That's a problem with the service not the transfer.
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2026, 2:17 PM
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And interlining so close to Downtown kills capacity for the line west of Bayview.

What I hope to one day see is Line 2 upgraded to 6 minute frequencies (maybe possible by double tracking everything but the Dow's Lake tunnel and Rideau River Bridge) and then shortened to Bayview-South Keys with a Bank Subway taking over Line 4 and the Riverside South portion.

If we keep RSS and the Airport as part of Line 2, Bayview transfers will eventually be too high to handle.
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