High Speed Rail in Canada

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Zero because the people of Gatineau are traitors for working at the Feds.





"We want to separate from Canada and anyone talking to the Feds are traitors, but give us $40B for things that are Provincial jurisdiction so we can then leave Canada".

It's not HSR or free money for Provinces. That's not how it works. And why the hell should the Feds give a godam cent to Quebec if they have to deal with PSPP.

Hope he pulls a Pierre Poilievre. He's well on his way to doing that.

There's an election coming, hence the posturing. It seems to work with some portion of the electorate.

[Dengler Avenue]

If Charles Milliard can’t become popular fast enough, we may well be dealing with a PQ-led government.
La CAQ est fort probablement finie.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

If Charles Milliard can’t become popular fast enough, we may well be dealing with a PQ-led government.
La CAQ est fort probablement finie.

I hope Charles Milliard can rise up to the challenge. CAQ has been doing far better since Frechette took over, but probably not enough.

[someone123]

There's a conflict of interest with the PQ and HSR. If a HSR link between Ontario and Quebec turns out to be highly successful, it undermines their movement.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by someone123

There's a conflict of interest with the PQ and HSR. If a HSR link between Ontario and Quebec turns out to be highly successful, it undermines their movement.

So does asking for $40B from the Feds, or the equalization payments.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by someone123

There's a conflict of interest with the PQ and HSR. If a HSR link between Ontario and Quebec turns out to be highly successful, it undermines their movement.

Quite frankly, I feel that the eastern ontario farmers who oppose this project are inadvertently helping Quebec sovereigntists. I agree that bringing HSR from Ottawa to Montreal will make separation so much harder.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

So does asking for $40B from the Feds, or the equalization payments.

I think equalization is easier to square with "we get such a raw deal so we need this kind of arrangement", and it converts into dollars the province has to spend on projects that aren't necessarily labelled as being funded by the feds.

Functional HSR simply would increase cultural and economic integration regardless of the spin.

Though I think separatists have a huge uphill battle anyway as the US is so difficult to deal with right now and the postcolonial era has passed.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by someone123

I think equalization is easier to square with "we get such a raw deal so we need this kind of arrangement", and it converts into dollars the province has to spend on projects that aren't necessarily labelled as being funded by the feds.

Functional HSR simply would increase cultural and economic integration regardless of the spin.

Though I think separatists have a huge uphill battle anyway as the US is so difficult to deal with right now and the postcolonial era has passed.

Europe shows that HSR can exist between countries without killing one another's respective language and culture.

I agree, with the US threatening annexation, it's the worst time to be talking separation.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

So, people in Quebec are actually seriously thinking about electing this loser?

The leader of the Parti Québécois says, if elected, his government would prevent the province from being involved in the high-speed rail train, which would link Quebec City to Toronto.

Paul St-Pierre Plamondon said Tuesday the project does not address the needs of Quebecers

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/high-speed-train-pq-toronto-quebec-city-9.7228219

I’m sorry, but this piece a — can go — himself along with Smith and Trump.

Good, then they can give the rail money to BC and we can re-open the daily service to Whistler.

[MolsonExport]

Paul St-Pierre Plamondon

except the — is coming out of his —

[ToxiK]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

If Charles Milliard can’t become popular fast enough, we may well be dealing with a PQ-led government.
La CAQ est fort probablement finie.

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I hope Charles Milliard can rise up to the challenge. CAQ has been doing far better since Frechette took over, but probably not enough.

CAQ is rising:

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/polit...e/le-plq-chute-la-caq-remonte-encore.php

But PLQ is falling. Charles Milliard is seen too weak in protecting French.

Best case scenario: stronger CAQ and no majority for either the PQ nor the PLQ (not to mention the Conservative or Québec Solidaire...).

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Wait, in another thread, New Brisavoine told everyone that the separatist government was building HSR in Quebec. (never mind that the PQ isn't in power, and that they have nothing to do with HSR).



Shaddup.

I remember him saying that about the PQ and HSR.

Some of the posters that we haven't seen for awhile tried to convince us that PSPP would lead his party to a super-majority win and that support for sovereignty would be back with a vengeance in 2026.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

So, people in Quebec are actually seriously thinking about electing this loser?

The leader of the Parti Québécois says, if elected, his government would prevent the province from being involved in the high-speed rail train, which would link Quebec City to Toronto.

Paul St-Pierre Plamondon said Tuesday the project does not address the needs of Quebecers

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/high-speed-train-pq-toronto-quebec-city-9.7228219

I’m sorry, but this piece a — can go — himself along with Smith and Trump.

His party's support is at about 30% and has fallen over the last while. Most Quebecers are not very fond of him for focusing on having a referendum.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by ToxiK

CAQ is rising:

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/polit...e/le-plq-chute-la-caq-remonte-encore.php

But PLQ is falling. Charles Milliard is seen too weak in protecting French.

Best case scenario: stronger CAQ and no majority for either the PQ nor the PLQ (not to mention the Conservative or Québec Solidaire...).

The CAQ could actually win this year's election if Fréchette is seen as the safest choice and campaigns well.

[ToxiK]

Originally Posted by Loco101

The CAQ could actually win this year's election if Fréchette is seen as the safest choice and campaigns well.

Yes, she can. She is on the rise and the PQ's stubbornness to hold a referendum and the PLQ's inability to stand up for French will definitely favor the CAQ. I do think whoever wins will be in a minority government. Not necessarily a bad thing, depending if a fringe party (Conservative or QS) holds the balance of power or not.

On the HSR front, the CAQ, PLQ and QS are for it, the PQ and Conservatives are against.

[hipster duck]

It hasn't been posted here yet, but Alto is a federally-funded and administered project, so the provincial government of Quebec doesn't have any leverage on how that money will be spent.

Worse, one of the main funding partners for Alto is the Caisse de Depots et Placements du Quebec, which is like the CPPIB for the pensions of the citizens of Quebec. So PSPP is saying that he will interfere in an investment decision that was already made by a pension plan that has a fiduciary responsibility to invest in the best interests of Quebeckers. What kind of signal does this send to those who want to invest in the province?

We make fun of Alberta separatists for being a bunch of yokels, but the people leading the Quebec sovereignty movement aren't much smarter, even if they present themselves more professionally. The BQ and the PQ are basically about low information cultural grievances and providing entitlements to Quebec boomers without thinking about where that money will come from.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by hipster duck

It hasn't been posted here yet, but Alto is a federally-funded and administered project, so the provincial government of Quebec doesn't have any leverage on how that money will be spent.

Worse, one of the main funding partners for Alto is the Caisse de Depots et Placements du Quebec, which is like the CPPIB for the pensions of the citizens of Quebec. So PSPP is saying that he will interfere in an investment decision that was already made by a pension plan that has a fiduciary responsibility to invest in the best interests of Quebeckers. What kind of signal does this send to those who want to invest in the province?

We make fun of Alberta separatists for being a bunch of yokels, but the people leading the Quebec sovereignty movement aren't much smarter, even if they present themselves more professionally. The BQ and the PQ are basically about low information cultural grievances and providing entitlements to Quebec boomers without thinking about where that money will come from.

Well said

[someone123]

Originally Posted by hipster duck

Worse, one of the main funding partners for Alto is the Caisse de Depots et Placements du Quebec, which is like the CPPIB for the pensions of the citizens of Quebec. So PSPP is saying that he will interfere in an investment decision that was already made by a pension plan that has a fiduciary responsibility to invest in the best interests of Quebeckers. What kind of signal does this send to those who want to invest in the province?

They have already been pretty explicit about using Quebec pension dollars and Hydro-Quebec directly as part of their plans: https://www.journaldequebec.com/2015/10/...-depot-au-lendemain-dune-victoire-du-oui

We make fun of Alberta separatists for being a bunch of yokels, but the people leading the Quebec sovereignty movement aren't much smarter, even if they present themselves more professionally. The BQ and the PQ are basically about low information cultural grievances and providing entitlements to Quebec boomers without thinking about where that money will come from.

Yes, the quality of these politicians and the reasoning is quite poor. I think it would have been a lot like Brexit on steroids. For one thing the idea that Quebec could declare independence and then pick and choose federal services after is really out in la-la land. We see with the EU that once a member leaves, there are strong incentives to play hardball.

One of the funny things is Alberta separatism is mostly fake and they're mostly asking for more integration. They would love a federal HSR project to go with some pipelines.

[James Bond Agent 007]

Liberal government considering high-speed rail route change to include stop in Kingston

The Liberal government is weighing a significant routing change for the Alto high-speed rail project that would move the line's corridor south toward the shore of Lake Ontario, CBC News has confirmed.

"I have directed Alto to develop a southern route option that includes a potential stop in Kingston, subject to technical feasibility and project requirements," Transport Minister Steven MacKinnon said in a statement sent to CBC News.

"This is an important next step toward building a faster, cleaner and more connected rail network for Canadians.”

[MonctonRad]

"This is an important next step toward building a faster, cleaner and more connected rail network for (some) Canadians.”

Fixed it for you........

Meanwhile passenger rail services elsewhere in the federation will be left to rot on the vine.......