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Originally Posted by BlackDog204
This is just not true. The percentage of Canadians who are immigrants has been rising slowly since WWII. From 14.7% in 1951 to 23% in the last census. However, Canada only became competitive enough to compete for a World Cup spot in the 80s, and for roughly 20 years (late 90s to late 2010s), it's soccer program was awful. If immigrants were mainly responsible for Canada doing well in soccer, Canada would have never had a 20 year period of decline.
When Canada's immigrant population were mainly from Europe up until the beginning of this century. where soccer is huge. Additionally, the two largest immigrant groups in the past decade (Indians and Filipinos) produce literally no soccer players, as the sport is not popular in those countries.
IMHO, it has everything to do with soccer being affordable for nearly all Canadians to play, unlike hockey, football, golf, tennis, skiing, etc). Finally, when is the last time a non-traditional soccer powerhouse won a World Cup? If anything, the United States, with similar demographics as us, and 8.7x the population would have won at least 2 World Cup's if what you are saying is true. However, the USA has never even come remotely close to winning a cup. Ironically, the USA best result in the World Cup, was finishing 3rd in 1930 (the first World Cup). Their best result in the modern period, was a Quarter Final appearance in 2002.
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I think there’s a pretty direct correlation between Canada’s national soccer team having wayyy more success and the roster having way more players of African heritage, specifically West African heritage. Africa is a huge, diverse continent with over 56 countries almost all of which could be described as “football crazy”.
We’ve seen more immigrants from sub Saharan Africa and North Africa come to Canada in the last few decades, than ever before, and I think it’s no surprise that some of their children have risen to the top of Canadian soccer, and even into the top flights of European football. As you point out, a huge percentage of people immigrating to Canada are from countries like India, Philippines, and other Asian countries that don’t have much of a football culture like is found in Europe, Africa, and Latin America.
A big part of North and West Africa is Francophone and that means Canada will continue to see more immigrants coming from these locations. Ivory Coast almost beat Germany yesterday, and Morocco is a legitimate contender to actually win the World Cup.
I think Canada could have far better academy systems than the MLS, and a far better league system too. Soccer will always be fourth or fifth fiddle in the US because of the dominance of football, baseball, and basketball, but in Canada, soccer could legitimately become our second most popular sport (if it isn’t even already). I’d be surprised if soccer was not, by far, the most popular sport among newcomer Canadians (ahead of hockey, basketball, cricket, etc) and it’s only going to get more popular in the decades to come.
Soccer is already exponentially more accessible and affordable than hockey is for Canadians to play in recreational leagues… its the competitive side of the game, and the professional side of the game where we have a problem, and the biggest problem with soccer in Canada is the MLS! Fans and owners of the three Canadian MLS teams might not want to see their teams leave a “better” league and system in the MLS, but doing so (joining a Canadian domestic league) that decision could actually give Canada a fighting chance in the footballing world, since it would lay the foundation for our country to follow in the footsteps of the countries that have actually won the World Cup, all of which have large domestic leagues with systems of relegation and promotion.
It’s pretty hard to grow “soccer culture” across the country if we have our three biggest “football clubs” in our three biggest cities competing in an
American league called Major League Soccer, instead of a domestic league like would be the case in Brazil, Germany, Italy, Argentina, Uruguay, France, or Spain (countries that have actually won the World Cup). If Canada had a domestic league system with 40 teams across the top two flights (like the English Football League) that would fundamentally change how soccer was part of Canadian culture, and it would make relegation and promotion battles something of national importance and interest. Soccer has never succeeded in the US because Americans are obsessed with their own professional sports leagues like the NFL, MLB, NBA, and to some extent, the NHL (as well as golf, nascar and a bunch of other crap that basically only the US cares about).
Soccer is succeeding in Canada, despite the three Canadian MLS teams holding back professional soccer, as it makes it difficult for domestic leagues to compete for supporters when the three biggest cities in Canada have teams in a US soccer league. If the MLS owners could ever see the forest through the trees, they could not only make a lot of money by selling their franchises to relocate to American cities, they could change the landscape of Canadian soccer for generations to come.
This discussion topic reminded of a post MolsonExport made in the statistics thread the other day:
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Originally Posted by MolsonExport
Africa's population is projected to reach approximately 2.5 billion by 2050 and surpass 3.8 billion by the year 2100 (United Nations projections). While the overall global population is expected to level off, this massive demographic surge will make Africa home to roughly 40% of humanity by the end of the century. The future of immigration in Canada will be largely an African story.
Africa remains the world's youngest continent with a median age of around 19.5 years.
By 2050, 1 in 3 workers globally will be African, and 40% of all global births will occur on the continent.
The urban population is set to triple, adding hundreds of millions of people to towns and cities
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Not sure why you don’t think Canada will ever rise to the top of the footballing world if you also think the future of immigration in Canada will largely be an African story. I think Canada will win the World Cup by 2100, but hopefully we could see the game grow and development enough to see Canada win the World Cup by 2050. Before then, I think we will see an African country win… and if Canada can’t win it all this year, I’m very much pulling for an African country to win it all!