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Old Posted Jun 10, 2026, 1:38 PM
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MB is sitting on numerous critical minerals, let's get these going in a responsible fashion. make MB a HAVE province not a Have-not. SK is doing great, let's bring prairie pride to the stage. Mine Baby Mine!
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There was a thread here about a year ago (?) where people were saying that mining red tape needed to be cut to promote more investment. Looks like some folks here were ahead of the curve.
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Regarding AI data centres; here's a link to a "substack" article that unpacks some of the events taking place in Alberta, which has gone full-bore AI data centre construction.

https://factsmtr.substack.com/p/albertas...2hWdAbrFQUpn8_aem_Q_tXkP49LTC9b525d3db6A
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Regarding AI data centres; here's a link to a "substack" article that unpacks some of the events taking place in Alberta, which has gone full-bore AI data centre construction.

https://factsmtr.substack.com/p/albertas...2hWdAbrFQUpn8_aem_Q_tXkP49LTC9b525d3db6A
There was a time in Canadian history not too long ago, where if this were a time of War, Kevin O'Leary would be lined against a wall, and executed for treason.

Yet, Alberta is pretty much handing him over their water supply. Good on Kinew for standing up for Manitoba, and telling these AI predators to take a hike.
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There was a time in Canadian history not too long ago, where if this were a time of War, Kevin O'Leary would be lined against a wall, and executed for treason.

Yet, Alberta is pretty much handing him over their water supply. Good on Kinew for standing up for Manitoba, and telling these AI predators to take a hike.
Agreed. This is what happens when you completely are driven by economics and $ like in Alberta. Their leadership has to be the worst in the country. No respect for the land at all.
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Backlash Is Growing Over Kevin O’Leary’s Data Center. He Is Blaming China.


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O'Leary is blaming China for the rightful opposition of Utah locals opposed to one of his AI Data centers.
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Agreed. This is what happens when you completely are driven by economics and $ like in Alberta. Their leadership has to be the worst in the country. No respect for the land at all.
Interesting that the two “have provinces” SK and AB are all in for Data Centres including just outside Regina will have the largest one. Manitoba being a “HAVE NOT” province says “ Ah no thanks”. That folks says almost everything that we need to know about Manitoba vs SK and AB.
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Interesting that the two “have provinces” SK and AB are all in for Data Centres including just outside Regina will have the largest one. Manitoba being a “HAVE NOT” province says “ Ah no thanks”. That folks says almost everything that we need to know about Manitoba vs SK and AB.
That is a strange case you're making. AB and SK were "have" provinces long before data centres were even a thing. Your cause and effect make no sense because they are backward.

Data centres are a trendy dead-end trap. They are a waste of infrastructure, a waste of energy, and a slap in the face of the population by greedy corporations that give absolutely nothing back to the provinces they plunder. Kudos to MB for standing up and bucking this insane "cause du jour".
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That is a strange case you're making. AB and SK were "have" provinces long before data centres were even a thing. Your cause and effect make no sense because they are backward.

Data centres are a trendy dead-end trap. They are a waste of infrastructure, a waste of energy, and a slap in the face of the population by greedy corporations that give absolutely nothing back to the provinces they plunder. Kudos to MB for standing up and bucking this insane "cause du jour".
I don’t think people like that understand the horrible repercussions these monster centres have. The negatives far outweigh the positives, similar to the silica sand development proposal.

Not every bloody development is worthwhile. Short-term financial gains are not worth the long-term disastrous social, economical and environmental pains. Full stop.
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Manitoba Premier Wab Kinew, left, with Prime Minister Mark Carney on Parliament Hill in Ottawa. Kinew and Carney could be at odds over a proposed silica sand mining project in Manitoba.

Prime Minister Mark Carney’s high-profile support for a proposed silica sand mining project in Manitoba this week didn’t move the needle at all for Premier Wab Kinew.

“I work for the people of eastern Manitoba, not for the Davos crowd,” Kinew told a local radio station Thursday. “We’re going to continue to put the drinking water and the priorities of the people who live in this province first.”

Carney, attending a summit of G7 leaders in France Wednesday, issued a statement hailing an investment partnership between Sio Silica, a Canadian company, and Germany’s RCT Solutions on the contentious and not yet approved project that would extract sand from a large area in the RM of Springfield east of Winnipeg and turn it into solar panels. Area residents have expressed concern that the process could impact the aquifer that provides drinking water for thousands.

Sio Silica’s president issued a statement Wednesday saying the company is pleased to have its mining project recognized by the Carney government on the world stage.

Kinew was asked Thursday if he was was caught off guard by the prime minister’s support.

“I’m never surprised by the lobbying efforts of Sio Silica,” he said.

Last year, Manitoba’s ethics commissioner ruled that former premier Heather Stefanson and two of her cabinet ministers violated the conflict of interest act by trying to ram through an environmental licence for Sio Silica in the dying days of the Progressive Conservative government, after it lost the 2023 election, but before Kinew’s NDP government was sworn in.

The NDP nixed the proposed project when it took office.

“This company had a shareholder and a board member try to force cabinet ministers to approve this project after the government had lost power,” Kinew said Thursday.

In December, he ordered a public inquiry into the matter, citing the need for transparency and accountability.

“Now they have, within their rights, come back to apply for a second try at getting an environmental licence.”

Kinew said his government can look “objectively” at Sio Silica’s latest application. He went on to say, “I want people to be absolutely clear — in rural Manitoba, I’m on your side. I’m not on the rich, elite side. I’m working for you folks.”

Kinew’s concerns about Sio Silica didn’t prevent Carney from promoting the company’s latest proposal for Manitoba, said David McLaughlin, former clerk of the executive council and former prime minister Brian Mulroney’s chief of staff.

“I find it revealing and important that the PM explicitly referred to the Sio Silica project in a formal news release,” McLaughlin said Thursday.

“To the PM and the federal government, this means Sio Silica is a viable project deserving consideration. It also means that inside the federal government, this project has made its way up the ladder to garner the attention of decision-makers, political and bureaucratic.”

The privately held company is not shy about lobbying government, said University of Manitoba political studies professor emeritus Paul Thomas

“The Sio Silica case involves the most high-profile, intense, aggressive and persistent lobbying campaign that I have witnessed in over 50 years,” he said.

“It led to a major scandal, damaged the reputation of the company and made a second licence application more difficult.”

McLaughlin said Kinew, who has often said “the economic horse pulls the social cart” was likely caught off guard.

“At some point the NDP government has to decide whether to keep making this a political football or get serious about economic development projects that fit the moment the country is in,” he said.

The premier likes the attention that goes with saying “no” to projects such as this or the hyper-scale AI data centre proposed for south of Winnipeg that he rejected earlier this month, McLaughlin said.

“This can endear you to local communities and garner a headline. But the heavy lifting of real economic development is finding ways to get to yes on jobs and investment,” he said.

“Failing to advance this is at odds with his own new economic development strategy which calls for ‘facilitating productive investment.’”

Although Kinew said his government will be objective in considering Sio Silica’s second application, “many people — not just the opposition and its allies — will be skeptical that this is the case,” Thomas said.

He said Kinew’s public inquiry into the former government’s failed attempt to approve the company’s first environmental licence application raises questions about whether it can get a fair hearing on its latest project — and if the inquiry is timed to influence the provincial election that must take place by Oct. 5, 2027.

“There is a legitimate question of whether the company can receive a fair hearing during a period when a public inquiry is underway,” Thomas said.

If it happens during an election cycle, “the NDP will remind voters that (PC Leader) Obby Khan was a cabinet minister in a PC government which violated the conflict of interest law and the caretaker convention,” he said.
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That is a strange case you're making. AB and SK were "have" provinces long before data centres were even a thing. Your cause and effect make no sense because they are backward.

Data centres are a trendy dead-end trap. They are a waste of infrastructure, a waste of energy, and a slap in the face of the population by greedy corporations that give absolutely nothing back to the provinces they plunder. Kudos to MB for standing up and bucking this insane "cause du jour".
“Waste of infrastructure and a waste of energy.” - A business is paying for the infrastructure not you. Strange comment.

“Waste of Energy” - I thought Hydro was clean energy that we want to sell, and profit from??”

If the business didn’t make sense they wouldn’t build them. At the same time people want all these advances in tech, data centres hold all that tech and data.
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Low power rates are one of Manitoba's competitive advantages. It's a fact that AI datacenters drive up power rates. This would destroy that competitive advantage.

Demand for datacenters has already plateaued. The boom is over. At this point they're just trying to convince investors with fomo to throw money at them, at which point their "business" will fail because that's the point. It only "makes sense" as a grift.

This kind of thing is super common these days. The economy is so top heavy, it no longer responds to consumers, it responds to investors. And a lot of those investors are literally just gambling.

So, no. Businesses don't need to make sense to exist. Mark Zuckerberg just lit something like $60 billion on fire for the Metaverse. That made no sense.

Think about what else that $60 billion could have done and you'll see why people aren't happy with businesses paying for junk.

"At the same time people want all these advances in tech, data centres hold all that tech and data."

You got me there. I sure want all these advances in tech. Do you think this datacenter will hold a hyperloop? Or a perpetual motion machine? Oh! What about a Rick and Morty portal gun?
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Waste of infrastructure and a waste of energy.” - A business is paying for the infrastructure not you. Strange comment.

Even if the data centre builds it's own generators, there are legitimate concerns about demands on water usage and local grid capacity.

“Waste of Energy” - I thought Hydro was clean energy that we want to sell, and profit from??”

Uncommitted MB Hydro capacity is low at the moment. There's been a lot of media coverage about this recently. Hydro is looking at building gas-powered generators and wind farms just to keep up with anticipated residential and industrial demand, apart from any ai data centre project.

If the business didn’t make sense they wouldn’t build them. At the same time people want all these advances in tech, data centres hold all that tech and data.

The business case for projects are based upon lowest cost vs highest anticipated return for their investors. Good "business" decisions have led to multiple cases of environmental damage in the oil & gas industry, among others. It's been "good business" to ship manufacturing jobs to countries where workers are paid a small fraction of what they would have been paid here.

The "people" who most want ai data centres are companies that envision laying off big chunks of their staff and replacing their decision making with ai computing, and the tech lords themselves who want to cash in quickly on their investments in ai. Apart from these folks, and a few who like "creating" ai memes that all look very much the same, I doubt the average Joe is champing at the bit to adopt ai.
Alberta and Saskatchewan are officially big on ai data centres, but theres also a lot of local opposition to them in those provinces.

I agree that Manitoba needs to grow it's industrial and business base, but not all business offers we get are going to greatly benefit the economy. We can't be desperate for anybody and anything that makes money.
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Low power rates are one of Manitoba's competitive advantages. It's a fact that AI datacenters drive up power rates. This would destroy that competitive advantage.

Demand for datacenters has already plateaued. The boom is over. At this point they're just trying to convince investors with fomo to throw money at them, at which point their "business" will fail because that's the point. It only "makes sense" as a grift.

This kind of thing is super common these days. The economy is so top heavy, it no longer responds to consumers, it responds to investors. And a lot of those investors are literally just gambling.

So, no. Businesses don't need to make sense to exist. Mark Zuckerberg just lit something like $60 billion on fire for the Metaverse. That made no sense.

Think about what else that $60 billion could have done and you'll see why people aren't happy with businesses paying for junk.

"At the same time people want all these advances in tech, data centres hold all that tech and data."

You got me there. I sure want all these advances in tech. Do you think this datacenter will hold a hyperloop? Or a perpetual motion machine? Oh! What about a Rick and Morty portal gun?
This says it better than my wordy little response!
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Data centres are quickly proving to be one of those things where for the business model to "make sense" requires exploitative deals with local governments that in effect act as subsidies. There is a long history if industries doing this and arguing "well you don't want us to take our investment somewhere else!!" ... but if the "investment" turns out to be a money drain for the municipality, then yes, we do want you to take it elsewhere. This is the story of much of our suburban real estate development so folks here should understand it but it seems some are still catching on.

And no, honestly, people don't want the tech. Companies want it. They want to better monitor and replace their low-level employees. But I don't know any real person who sees AI making a tangible positive difference in their lives beyond the novelty and amusement of talking to a chatbot. It's an incompetent personal assistant. It's an analysis tool that makes your analysis take 3x longer because you have to sift through the data and remove its hallucinations. Ordinary people don't want this. They want to be able to afford basic necessities and to have time for their families and hobbies.

We've long passed the point where silicon valley is creating useful things that improve peoples' lives. We are now in the phase where it is purely an extractive, exploitative and rent-seeking industry. Its creative energy is being used to find new ways to squeeze every last dollar out of consumers instead of creating value. People don't want it, they want a 4-day work week, but Zuckerberg can't profit from that can he.
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If the business didn’t make sense they wouldn’t build them. At the same time people want all these advances in tech, data centres hold all that tech and data.
You want to make this about economic sense? Then let the data centres pay for the infrastructure, including the power generation, right down to the source. Are they willing to pony up the $billions required to build Conawapa and other generating stations and the associated infrastructure to deliver that power to the data centres? Or is this once again a public subsidy of a corporation for absolutely no benefit to the public that is paying for it?
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You want to make this about economic sense? Then let the data centres pay for the infrastructure, including the power generation, right down to the source. Are they willing to pony up the $billions required to build Conawapa and other generating stations and the associated infrastructure to deliver that power to the data centres? Or is this once again a public subsidy of a corporation for absolutely no benefit to the public that is paying for it?
Ive been reading some of the comments supposedly attributed to noted corporate predator Jeff Bezos. Among other things he allegedly stated we need ai data centres to create the super computer that will solves the world's problems. Spoiler alert: the answer will be "42". He also seemed to be suggesting water use be prioritized for data centres over human beings, but some are claiming that's not true. Based on what I've read about the guy, though, I wouldn't put it past him.
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You want to make this about economic sense? Then let the data centres pay for the infrastructure, including the power generation, right down to the source. Are they willing to pony up the $billions required to build Conawapa and other generating stations and the associated infrastructure to deliver that power to the data centres? Or is this once again a public subsidy of a corporation for absolutely no benefit to the public that is paying for it?
This is the most economically illiterate comment I’ve seen in years. Please stop.
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“Waste of infrastructure and a waste of energy.” - A business is paying for the infrastructure not you. Strange comment.

“Waste of Energy” - I thought Hydro was clean energy that we want to sell, and profit from??”

If the business didn’t make sense they wouldn’t build them. At the same time people want all these advances in tech, data centres hold all that tech and data.
MB Hydro doesn't have infinite amount of energy. There's an opportunity cost of selling energy to a data centre. They have extremely low local employment per MWh of energy used. There are other energy intensive industries that would provide more employment.


It makes business sense to a private business, that doesn't necessarily equate to a public benefit.
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