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Old Posted Jun 8, 2026, 4:42 PM
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A good number of the homes in that red box are local historic landmarks. There are numerous politically connected long-time families in that red box, or just outside of it, including former elected officials.

NEVER going to happen.

A site out in Govalle would still offer potential skyline views AND be close enough to the river to offer some sort of plaza connection and pedestrian bridge to Guerrero Park. It’s also a rapidly developing area, and a ballpark could catalyst more.

Con: no rail (although via Govalle [down 7th] is my preferred way to reach Bolm, Dog’s Head, and Tesla with light rail, which the city seems to be bypassing in favor of using the Airport route—which is a long term mistake).

Dog’s Head is so large there might be an argument for both routes (creating a large X across the geography and allowing a transfer station).

A rail line from Mozarts to Carts on the east side on the Lake Austin, 5th corridor is great but that's so so so far down the development line. We have not even had any of the scoping for that. That would be a great corridor for light rail but we still have to get to South Park Meadows and Tech Ridge with the current route. The airport line is the practical solution if you want it to open in the next 15 years.
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2026, 3:10 PM
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Use eminent domain to claim the land bordered by I-35/E Cesar Chavez/Waller St/E 4th St to build a MLB ballpark. A deck cap/stitch is already planned next to it where fans can easily cross over from downtown. This is similar to the idea in SA for Project Marvel where initially wanted a land bridge over I-37 to access the Alamodome, but in Austin the cap will become a reality.
This wouldn’t and shouldn’t ever even be discussed. Do you even live here? The outrage would be insane
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2026, 5:14 AM
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This wouldn’t and shouldn’t ever even be discussed. Do you even live here? The outrage would be insane
This would be the perfect site where right next to CapMetro Rail, downtown, walkable from many destinations. Remember the convention center site was once a neighborhood and Rainey St. District too. And yes I live here and bet this site will be redeveloped within a few decades.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2026, 10:50 AM
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This would be the perfect site where right next to CapMetro Rail, downtown, walkable from many destinations. Remember the convention center site was once a neighborhood and Rainey St. District too. And yes I live here and bet this site will be redeveloped within a few decades.
Agreed. The majority of homes are either old and falling apart or new and falling apart. Not to mention the homelessness / drug epidemic that has taken over this particular area
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2026, 2:46 PM
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The only thing that I would like to see changed in that area is the Austin Iron Works being cleared up and turned into a public market. Aside from that, there will be a big fight if anything like a stadium would ever be proposed there.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2026, 7:42 PM
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NHL To Investigate Houston And Austin For Expansion
By Brennan McClain | at June 23, 2026 1:38 pm

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2026/06/nhl-to-investigate-houston-and-austin-for-expansion.html

After downplaying the rumors for years, it appears that expansion is back on the horizon in the NHL. According to Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman, NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman announced at the Board of Governors meeting that the league is planning to explore Houston and Austin, TX, as potential expansion cities in the future.

Despite other cities such as Atlanta, GA, or Phoenix, AZ expressing interest, Houston and Austin have seen increased interest recently. In March of last year, the NHL met with an ownership group led by Dan Friedkin, who also owns Roma of the Serie A League in Italy and Everton of the English Premier League. Later last year, in June, Frank Seravalli of Victory+ shared that Austin was becoming a popular candidate for future expansion.

Regardless, it illustrates that the NHL is focused on continuing its expansion westward. Houston or Austin would be in the Central Time Zone, but it would help alleviate the density of teams in the Eastern Time Zone. Despite the league being split evenly between East and West, the NHL has 16 teams in the Eastern Time Zone, with the remaining 16 (all in the Western Conference) being spread out across the Pacific, Mountain, and Central Time Zones.

Should the NHL find a suitable ownership group, it won’t come cheaply. In October, Friedman announced that the next NHL expansion fee could reach $2B, more than double what the Seattle Kraken ($650MM) paid and four times the amount the Vegas Golden Knights ($500MM) paid.

If the NHL adds one in the near future, it would become the largest league in North America, besting the NFL by one additional team. It’s unlikely the league would reallocate teams into new divisions if they were to add only one. However, anything is possible if the NHL adds both Houston and Austin in the same season. In this scenario, the Chicago Blackhawks and Nashville Predators would likely move to the Eastern Conference.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2026, 9:25 PM
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NHL To Investigate Houston And Austin For Expansion
By Brennan McClain | at June 23, 2026 1:38 pm

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2026/06/nhl-to-investigate-houston-and-austin-for-expansion.html

After downplaying the rumors for years, it appears that expansion is back on the horizon in the NHL. According to Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman, NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman announced at the Board of Governors meeting that the league is planning to explore Houston and Austin, TX, as potential expansion cities in the future.

Despite other cities such as Atlanta, GA, or Phoenix, AZ expressing interest, Houston and Austin have seen increased interest recently. In March of last year, the NHL met with an ownership group led by Dan Friedkin, who also owns Roma of the Serie A League in Italy and Everton of the English Premier League. Later last year, in June, Frank Seravalli of Victory+ shared that Austin was becoming a popular candidate for future expansion.

Regardless, it illustrates that the NHL is focused on continuing its expansion westward. Houston or Austin would be in the Central Time Zone, but it would help alleviate the density of teams in the Eastern Time Zone. Despite the league being split evenly between East and West, the NHL has 16 teams in the Eastern Time Zone, with the remaining 16 (all in the Western Conference) being spread out across the Pacific, Mountain, and Central Time Zones.

Should the NHL find a suitable ownership group, it won’t come cheaply. In October, Friedman announced that the next NHL expansion fee could reach $2B, more than double what the Seattle Kraken ($650MM) paid and four times the amount the Vegas Golden Knights ($500MM) paid.

If the NHL adds one in the near future, it would become the largest league in North America, besting the NFL by one additional team. It’s unlikely the league would reallocate teams into new divisions if they were to add only one. However, anything is possible if the NHL adds both Houston and Austin in the same season. In this scenario, the Chicago Blackhawks and Nashville Predators would likely move to the Eastern Conference.
The article quotes Pursuit Sports, the potential ownership group, as saying Austin (and Houston), "have an infrastructure, passionate fan bases, and economic strength needed to support a championship-caliber franchise for years to come."

Do we think this means the Moody Center? I believe that would make it the second or third smallest capacity arena in the league.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2026, 10:03 PM
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NHL exploring Texas expansion opportunities in Houston, Austin
League enters 6-month evaluation process with Friedkin family

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https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-exploring-texas-expansion-opportunities-in-houston-and-austin

NEW YORK -- The NHL is ready to explore putting a second team in Texas.

NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman announced Tuesday following a meeting of the Board of Governors that the League will open a six-month process to evaluate the possibility of expanding to either Houston or Austin, Texas.

Commissioner Bettman identified the Friedkin family, led by Dan Friedkin, the CEO of The Friedkin Group, as the prospective owner of the Texas expansion franchise, which would be the NHL's 33rd.

He said the League has entered into an agreement with the Friedkin family to explore the feasibility, adding it would be approximately a $3.5 billion investment made by the family, which includes the expansion fee that goes to the NHL and the cost of building a new arena.

Commissioner Bettman said the exploration phase will determine which market, Houston or Austin, is best suited for an NHL team.

Both markets require a new arena, he said.

"We have been in discussions for the better part of two years with the Friedkin family, principally for the last two years about Houston as an expansion opportunity," Commissioner Bettman said. "But as we continued to focus with them, particularly on the need for a new arena in Houston, the discussions morphed into also a discussion about Austin, which would also need a new building. But we are going to work together under the terms, a term sheet that we were able to agree upon, in terms of a framework to consider what makes the most sense moving forward."

Commissioner Bettman said the League did not present it to the Board of Governors for a vote Tuesday, but there was an extensive discussion about it with the BOG Executive Committee, which endorsed the framework of the terms the NHL has entered into with the Friedkin family.

"Ultimately, if we're able to jointly reach a conclusion, at that time it would be subject to a vote of the Board of Governors," Commissioner Bettman said. "That's something that will unfold over the next six months, give or take."

The Friedkin family also owns Italian soccer club AS Roma and Everton in the English Premier League.

Through Pursuit Sports, the Friedkins’ "global sports ownership and operating platform," the family released a statement saying the agreement with the NHL provides it with exclusive rights to bring an expansion team to Texas with the focus on Austin and Houston.

"Each city brings unique attributes that would make a new team a huge success," the statement read. "Both have the infrastructure, passionate fan bases, and economic strength needed to support a championship-caliber franchise for years to come.

"We have wanted for some time to bring an NHL team to Texas, and we are excited that the process has now begun. Selecting a new market for an NHL franchise is a special and important responsibility, and we are grateful to the League for their faith in us and their support. Working with Commissioner Bettman and the NHL, we will undertake a principled, disciplined, and methodical process to ensure we find the right long-term home for this new franchise."

Commissioner Bettman said the Dallas Stars do not own territorial rights in Texas that would prevent the League from adding a team in Houston or Austin.

"My guess is they'll think it's good for hockey in Texas," he said.

Commissioner Bettman said the BOG also had discussions about the possibility of Atlanta and Arizona as expansion markets, but the Friedkin family's pursuit of a team in Texas is the furthest along, he said.

"We're in lots of discussions, but they've got to progress to a certain level before you create a framework to actually see if it's something that's going to work," Commissioner Bettman said. "That doesn't rule in or rule out Atlanta or Arizona, it simply means they're on a slightly different track. Tomorrow we could all wake up and they say, 'You know what, that looks so good we want to do the same thing.' "

Commissioner Bettman said he doesn't know yet if there will be pushback on adding a 33rd team from the Board of Governors because there was no formal vote or informal poll taken.

He also said the NHL is not concerned about having an odd number of teams, noting that was the case when the Vegas Golden Knights came into the League as the 31st franchise in 2017-18.

"Symmetry, I don't think, should necessarily govern expansion," he said. "You expand if you think it makes sense and enhances what the League has."

The NHL has been a 32-team league since 2021-22, when the Seattle Kraken made their debut. Seattle was unanimously approved as the League's 32nd franchise at the BOG meeting on Dec. 4, 2018, with an expansion fee set at $650 million.

The expansion fee for the Golden Knights nine years ago was $500 million.

The League also established a franchise in Utah two years ago, when the Smith Entertainment Group, led by co-owners Ryan and Ashley Smith, purchased the hockey operations and franchise rights of the Arizona Coyotes for $1.2 billion and brought both to Salt Lake City.

"The fact is, as we've talked about all along, expansion depends on ownership, market, arena and what does it do to make the League stronger," Commissioner Bettman said. "In that case, if you're sitting in the room and the first three are checked, those first three boxes, you'll then say to yourself what does it do to make the League stronger. Houston, South Texas, is a major market nationally."
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2026, 10:23 PM
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Reading between the lines it appears the NHL wants Austin over Houston

...He said the League has entered into an agreement with the Friedkin family to explore the feasibility, adding it would be approximately a $3.5 billion investment made by the family, which includes the expansion fee that goes to the NHL and the cost of building a new arena.

"We have been in discussions for the better part of two years with the Friedkin family, principally for the last two years about Houston as an expansion opportunity," Commissioner Bettman said. "But as we continued to focus with them, particularly on the need for a new arena in Houston, the discussions morphed into also a discussion about Austin, which would also need a new building. But we are going to work together under the terms, a term sheet that we were able to agree upon, in terms of a framework to consider what makes the most sense moving forward."
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NHL has wanted to be the first to a growing wealthy market rather than the last.

Austin matches the success they've had in Vegas, Seattle (no NBA team ... at the time) and also sells their vision for the wealthy, upper class fan that the league caters to.

I am very curious to see if Dogs Head or another location unlocks the potential of another arena close to downtown.
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NHL has wanted to be the first to a growing wealthy market rather than the last.

Austin matches the success they've had in Vegas, Seattle (no NBA team ... at the time) and also sells their vision for the wealthy, upper class fan that the league caters to.

I am very curious to see if Dogs Head or another location unlocks the potential of another arena close to downtown.
What's really peaked my curiosity is that the ownership group is going to build a new arena without public assistance which is huge. One would think if it was going to be HTown, the NHL would rubber-stamp the plan and move forward, especially since they have been in discussions for the better part of two years with the Friedkin family about a HTown expansion team. Conducting a 6 month feasibility study for both cities means Austin is seriously being considered.

Statesman site or Dog's Head would be my two choices.
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The only thing that I would like to see changed in that area is the Austin Iron Works being cleared up and turned into a public market. Aside from that, there will be a big fight if anything like a stadium would ever be proposed there.
I've always thought that Iron Works should take a cue from the Hoffbrau (Rustic Tap) on West 6th. If I were them, I'd look into turning the parking lot into a live music stage and bar (much like the Rustic Tap).

They have a great location for such a thing. That intersection now has large hotels on two of it's corners. Also, it is the gateway into the Rainey district from downtown and the eventually rebuilt convention center. If done right, it's hard to imagine it failing.
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The article quotes Pursuit Sports, the potential ownership group, as saying Austin (and Houston), "have an infrastructure, passionate fan bases, and economic strength needed to support a championship-caliber franchise for years to come."

Do we think this means the Moody Center? I believe that would make it the second or third smallest capacity arena in the league.
I'm fairly certain that they would need to build a new arena.

I could see a scenario where both Austin and Houston are added together. If I remember correctly, Tilman Fertitta (Houston Rockets owner) has been angling to get an NHL team in Houston for a while now. I would imagine that the Rockets' arena could be retrofitted to also host NHL games.
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2026, 3:39 AM
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Not likely because the NHL has given exclusive and sole rights to the Friedkin Group for the next Texas expansion NHL team.

Meaning they’ve eliminated Tillman Fertitta from the mix, which checks out as 1.5 years ago he said as much stating the expansion fee is too high for what he’s comfortable paying. Snd he just recently bought an WNBA team to relocate to Houston, that’s occupied more of his attention than the NHL recently. And as such Tillman is not going to share Toyota Center with someone else’s NHL team unless he’s able to make a good amount of money from it. Tillman control’s the lease at Toyota Center.

There’s a clause in it that states that another NBA/NHL arena can’t be within a certain number of miles of it, which is why the process has likely expanded to include Austin. Friedkin Group is Houston based and he badly wants it in Houston and that’s likely where it’s going (probably in the Woodlands) but he’s open to the possibility of a better deal in Austin if that plan doesn’t come to fruition.

Bettman for his part seem to be angling more towards Houston from his comments today (read towards the end of the quote):

"The fact is, as we've talked about all along, expansion depends on ownership, market, arena and what does it do to make the League stronger," Commissioner Bettman said. "In that case, if you're sitting in the room and the first three are checked, those first three boxes, you'll then say to yourself what does it do to make the League stronger. Houston, South Texas, is a major market nationally."

Austin being in the mix is excellent because it means it’s on the map for major pro sports. But IMO I think this will land in Houston. I’ve been following this for over half my life and that’s a market many in the NHL want to get in.

And finally Dan Friedkin purchased land in Northwest Houston, likely for the new arena according to a journalist that spoke to another businessman that is currently bringing a new minor league hockey team to Houston.

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I’d like to see MLB in Austin first anyways.

I think MLB is a much nicer fit for Austin as its first pro sports team (beyond the MLS). Michael Dell is now the 6th richest man in the world with more than $180 billion in net worth. He needs to make that happen.
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if it comes to austin, the ONLY option for arena location is statesman site right next to the light rail station. putting it in the suburbs or dog's head is a non-starter. who wants to go out there?
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I’d like to see MLB in Austin first anyways.

I think MLB is a much nicer fit for Austin as its first pro sports team (beyond the MLS). Michael Dell is now the 6th richest man in the world with more than $180 billion in net worth. He needs to make that happen.
FTLOG! Please stop it with the Dell talk. He will never be majority owner of any sports franchise. It's not in his blood. Neither will Elon - who is the planet's first trillionaire.

However, there are 11 other billionaires in the Austin area. Problem is, I don't see any of those wanting to be a pro sports primary owner. Austin will more than likely need to look "outside" to find capital for a franchise. And, that happens more times than not in the professional ranks.
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It would be AMAZING if the city of Austin could beat the largest city in Texas for this NHL team!!
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if it comes to austin, the ONLY option for arena location is statesman site right next to the light rail station. putting it in the suburbs or dog's head is a non-starter. who wants to go out there?
Considering the majority of Austin lives in the suburbs, seems like a lot of people.


There's been mention of Dogs Head, but what about Robinson Ranch. There was news about Endeavor finally starting up something there.

Mixed use stadium/entertainment district with a Red Line stop?

Closer to Cedar Park and the existing Stars fanbase.

Only a couple of miles further from the metro population center (which has been continually moving north anyway).

Downside of further from San Antonio, if they were hoping to pull some fans from there.
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