The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

To clarify, Three Sisters is 458 units and Gateway will be around 420 units according to an official with Lafford.

The SJ project is good sizeable project then, looking forward to seeing renderings soon.

Not to spam the thread with conjecture, but at lunch I realized this '400 unit' projection might consist of not only Lafford's site... but the 180-unit Landmark too. I mean, I don't blame the city for hustling Ottawa for millions of dollars in infra money to bring Lafford's project to fruition by juicing the numbers. But, I hope they aren't.

Thanks for Gateway correction, as well. It does make it sound like this will be a two-towers-and-a-podium type of project. Slightly larger footprint, inaccessible from one side, similar unit count. IIRC someone said upthread it would possibly be a pair of ~12 storey towers?

[DyAm00394]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

Not to spam the thread with conjecture, but at lunch I realized this '400 unit' projection might consist of not only Lafford's site... but the 180-unit Landmark too. I mean, I don't blame the city for hustling Ottawa for millions of dollars in infra money to bring Lafford's project to fruition by juicing the numbers. But, I hope they aren't.

Thanks for Gateway correction, as well. It does make it sound like this will be a two-towers-and-a-podium type of project. Slightly larger footprint, inaccessible from one side, similar unit count. IIRC someone said upthread it would possibly be a pair of ~12 storey towers?

Your post was shared over on the Retail Talk NB FB page. The official I mentioned was the president of Lafford Property Management, he is who commented the corrected numbers. He didn't say any corrections regarding the 404 units for their SJ project, so I wonder if that is indeed correct then. He only mentioned unit count corrections for their two Moncton developments.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

Not to spam the thread with conjecture, but at lunch I realized this '400 unit' projection might consist of not only Lafford's site... but the 180-unit Landmark too. I mean, I don't blame the city for hustling Ottawa for millions of dollars in infra money to bring Lafford's project to fruition by juicing the numbers. But, I hope they aren't.

Thanks for Gateway correction, as well. It does make it sound like this will be a two-towers-and-a-podium type of project. Slightly larger footprint, inaccessible from one side, similar unit count. IIRC someone said upthread it would possibly be a pair of ~12 storey towers?

My source says 2x17 story

[dhottawa729]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

My source says 2x17 story

Can someone post and aerial map as to what this all means? I’m having a hard time following along how many buildings, how tall and where and by who.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by dhottawa729

Can someone post and aerial map as to what this all means? I’m having a hard time following along how many buildings, how tall and where and by who.

Developer is J.N. Lafford from Sackville, who developed 3 sisters and now building 2 brothers apartments in downtown Moncton. Sources say the Saint John buildings will be similar to the 2 brothers in Moncton. The infrastructure work and the new high rise development grants is meant to facilitate this development. Renderings are the Moncton buildings. Let me know if you need anything else.

[cdnguys]

Source from Quispamsis:

2025 housing starts:

105 single detached
3 two family
5 six unit buildings
Total 140 new starts

Current number of apartment units approved - 350 (excluding Shannex 60 beds)
87 currently under construction + 60 nursing home beds

[bingun]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

Not to spam the thread with conjecture, but at lunch I realized this '400 unit' projection might consist of not only Lafford's site... but the 180-unit Landmark too. I mean, I don't blame the city for hustling Ottawa for millions of dollars in infra money to bring Lafford's project to fruition by juicing the numbers. But, I hope they aren't.

Thanks for Gateway correction, as well. It does make it sound like this will be a two-towers-and-a-podium type of project. Slightly larger footprint, inaccessible from one side, similar unit count. IIRC someone said upthread it would possibly be a pair of ~12 storey towers?

Nice catch, I didn't even notice this when I scanned through the agenda on Friday. My first thought was on the Landmark, too, and whether that was included in that unit count.

If it isn't, that is a lot of units; this is definitely going to be tall. I think the plot's square footage is about 110,000 sq ft, and the shape is awkward, so they might not be able to maximize the footprint as much as normal.

[adamuptownsj]

Large vacant lot on Britain between Carmarthen and Wentworth is staked off and has an excavator on site leveling it.

Addresses 182, 184, 186, 188, 190. Someone bought all 5 for $230K in November 2024.

[darkharbour]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

Large vacant lot on Britain between Carmarthen and Wentworth is staked off and has an excavator on site leveling it.

Addresses 182, 184, 186, 188, 190. Someone bought all 5 for $230K in November 2024.

Would love to see a new development in this area, it's got so much potential with the new school and the other south end growth. Hope this is a sign of something to come for Britain.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

Large vacant lot on Britain between Carmarthen and Wentworth is staked off and has an excavator on site leveling it.

Addresses 182, 184, 186, 188, 190. Someone bought all 5 for $230K in November 2024.

It’s an 18 unit apartment building

[adamuptownsj]

Interesting. It's a 10,000 square foot area. Wonder if they're building two on here?

[bingun]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

Interesting. It's a 10,000 square foot area. Wonder if they're building two on here?

More infill is good to see. The building permit is listed under 182, which is the larger lot, closer to the corner. Permit value of $1.85M.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by bingun

More infill is good to see. The building permit is listed under 182, which is the larger lot, closer to the corner. Permit value of $1.85M.

I wonder if that’s just for like a phase 1, can’t imagine units only costing $100k each - would be 3x that amount.

[cdnguys]

[darkharbour]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

I love how this view is coming together, I was admiring it the other day myself. The way Princess Street now leads you down to a usable waterfront space is amazing - and will be even better with the new Museum in the distance across the water. Add in the new Picaroons space in the first Fundy Quay building and it'll be fantastic.

Once the second building gets started it'll fill in even better too!

[DyAm00394]

The brochures are now online for 608 Millidge Avenue and 700 Somerset Street. They are both owned by Somerset Investment Ltd that is looking to build to suit then lease back to tenants. The 608 Millidge Avenue one has a site plan included. Both have the rendering of the same looking building.

Link for 608 Millidge Aveune: https://www.bbrokers.ca/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/608-Millidge-Avenue_Cut-Sheet_06.05.2026.pdf

Link for 700 Somerset Street: https://www.bbrokers.ca/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/700-Somerset-Street_Cut-Sheet_06.05.2026.pdf

[darkharbour]

I thought the old fire station property had requirements for including residential when the city sold it, or am I remembering wrong?

[bingun]

Originally Posted by darkharbour

I thought the old fire station property had requirements for including residential when the city sold it, or am I remembering wrong?

Here is the EOI form, you can see the criteria -

https://saintjohn.ca/sites/default/files/documents/EOI1.bid%20608%20Millidge%20Ave_0.pdf

Housing is worth 30/100 points, so it is interesting that they won without including any.

[cdnguys]

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