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Old Posted Mar 25, 2026, 12:56 AM
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Of course there will be a net increase in total parking spaces even if all developments from here on out had only limited additional parking. But there will be a net increase in population as well and unless that new population comes without cars, we need parking in these new developments. How much is the million dollar question. There will be difficulty in leasing up buildings where there is insufficient parking and that has a very real cost associated with it.
We just had a net population gain of 44,000 and no net gain in cars. There seems to be little need to build a lot of parking, given recent trends. To do so would be more than a million dollar (wasted) answer.
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I agree that the market will eventually guide developers to the right amount of parking. It's my view that a lot of the broadway plan submissions that have no, or very limited, parking will have issues leasing up.

I commute to work most days but still have a car and you'll have to pry that from my cold dead hands. In my view the best part of living in Metro Van is the mountains and outdoors which are still too difficult to access efficiently without a vehicle.
For the record, I have nothing against a larger number of carsharing, carpooling or ridehailing spaces, nor expanding such to more parts of the city and province.

The fact remains, however, that most large metros are no longer large enough for every household to automatically be given a place to park their car, and Vancouver is one of them. Were this an Asian city-state, we'd have already soft-capped total car ownership and made downtown a toll zone.
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We just had a net population gain of 44,000 and no net gain in cars. There seems to be little need to build a lot of parking, given recent trends. To do so would be more than a million dollar (wasted) answer.
Do you have a link to these numbers? Would be interested in taking a look, thanks!
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Do you have a link to these numbers? Would be interested in taking a look, thanks!
The Statistics Canada estimates are also available on the BC Stats website as a spreadsheet. It looks like they just use StatsCan data these days.

ICBC have their vehicle registration data on Tableau Public.
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We just had a net population gain of 44,000 and no net gain in cars. There seems to be little need to build a lot of parking, given recent trends. To do so would be more than a million dollar (wasted) answer.
My main point throughout this conversation has been that new rental buildings without sufficient parking will have trouble leasing up, not that there must be more parking built for the good of the City. Not completing lease up or taking longer to do so has significant consequences for developers.

I understand your point that as there is no net increase in car ownership in the City of Vancouver (even with population growth), we don't need more parking stalls built because currently everyone can park their car somewhere.

What I'm trying to point out is that where you have new developments that are beginning to lease up, renters will be asked to pay top of market rents. For those top of market rents they will expect a nice new building, good amenities and for their to be a net improvement in their day to day living. Why would someone that is in an older building that has parking go to a new building where they pay more and at the same time be forced to get rid of their car because there's nowhere to park? They may move because it's closer to their work, family, transit, whatever, but there needs to be an incentive to up and move. If a new building cannot adequately incentivize enough people to move in, they will not lease up.
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For the record, I have nothing against a larger number of carsharing, carpooling or ridehailing spaces, nor expanding such to more parts of the city and province.

The fact remains, however, that most large metros are no longer large enough for every household to automatically be given a place to park their car, and Vancouver is one of them. Were this an Asian city-state, we'd have already soft-capped total car ownership and made downtown a toll zone.
I'm definitely for an increase in carsharing and other alternative transit solutions and I don't think that giving every household a place to park their car(s) is necessary. The fact is though that many people want a car and will consider that when deciding where they want to live.
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My main point throughout this conversation has been that new rental buildings without sufficient parking will have trouble leasing up, not that there must be more parking built for the good of the City. Not completing lease up or taking longer to do so has significant consequences for developers.

I understand your point that as there is no net increase in car ownership in the City of Vancouver (even with population growth), we don't need more parking stalls built because currently everyone can park their car somewhere.

What I'm trying to point out is that where you have new developments that are beginning to lease up, renters will be asked to pay top of market rents. For those top of market rents they will expect a nice new building, good amenities and for their to be a net improvement in their day to day living. Why would someone that is in an older building that has parking go to a new building where they pay more and at the same time be forced to get rid of their car because there's nowhere to park? They may move because it's closer to their work, family, transit, whatever, but there needs to be an incentive to up and move. If a new building cannot adequately incentivize enough people to move in, they will not lease up.
I mean, we know as a certainty that people in the past didn't want to loose space. Regardless, builders continued to lower sqft and condos still got sold. I would think it will be the same, with apartments with more space AND parking spot maintaining more value compared to the new ones.
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My main point throughout this conversation has been that new rental buildings without sufficient parking will have trouble leasing up, not that there must be more parking built for the good of the City. Not completing lease up or taking longer to do so has significant consequences for developers.

I understand your point that as there is no net increase in car ownership in the City of Vancouver (even with population growth), we don't need more parking stalls built because currently everyone can park their car somewhere.

What I'm trying to point out is that where you have new developments that are beginning to lease up, renters will be asked to pay top of market rents. For those top of market rents they will expect a nice new building, good amenities and for their to be a net improvement in their day to day living. Why would someone that is in an older building that has parking go to a new building where they pay more and at the same time be forced to get rid of their car because there's nowhere to park? They may move because it's closer to their work, family, transit, whatever, but there needs to be an incentive to up and move. If a new building cannot adequately incentivize enough people to move in, they will not lease up.
Developers are presumably aware of that dynamic, and are having to decide how big a hole to dig to add to a building's cost and time to construct it, to add parking, against the income they hope to get from renting the parking spaces, and the additional tenants they might attract who will only consider their building if it has parking.

The recent data suggests that some households (in Vancouver) are moving to having no vehicle and using alternative arrangements for transportation, so that must play into the overall decision too. In the case of PCI, in their next tower they're just starting to build at Arbutus they're putting 67 spaces for 260 units, so they seem convinced that lower parking provision isn't a huge deal.

In the case of this building, it seems to be leasing up pretty quickly (in the context of higher rents than the general market, because it's a new building). I don't think new rental buildings fill up in the first few months - West End projects in the past few years certainly haven't. In the US rental market new buildings in 2025 were filling up at the slowest rate on record. In 2024 CMHC noted that in Vancouver there were more new rental units coming to market on transit at the same time that demand was falling, and vacancy rates increasing. Last year MLA noted that in Vancouver 'In response to slower absorption, developers are adopting more agile leasing strategies. Many are reducing the volume of units released at once or staggering lease-ups by floor or building phase. The goal isn’t to fill quickly; it’s to match product and pricing to today’s more cautious renter.' 5,500 new concrete rental units were added to the Metro market last year, most of them on transit. I doubt PCI are too upset about the rental level they've already achieved - and they're not even on a transit line until fall next year.

The test of significantly reduced parking being offered is obviously Senakw. That project doesn't even sit on top of a transit station, so if the comments by the developer about interest in leasing there are true, it would seem providing parking may not be a huge deal in the current market.
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I think the bigger deal is charging $5.95/psf in this building. I do and don't want to meet the people that would sign up to rent for that price.
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When I went by there on the weekend there was hoarding up for Starbucks. I wonder if that's a stand alone store or within the CityMarket?
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Probably a sublet; CityMarket usually takes up the whole floor.
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Probably standalone.
Starbucks co-locates within Safeways (Sobeys), not Loblaws.
(At the Post, the Starbucks is outside the City Market).
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Probably standalone.
Starbucks co-locates within Safeways (Sobeys), not Loblaws.
(At the Post, the Starbucks is outside the City Market).
I guess that means the one within the Indigo kitty corner to this will close.
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Probably standalone.
Starbucks co-locates within Safeways (Sobeys), not Loblaws.
(At the Post, the Starbucks is outside the City Market).
The Post kiosk is actually part of the CityMarket. On Starbucks's website it's listed as "Loblaws City Market The Post" I think it's just more of a staple at Safeways in Western Canada (?)

There's a restaurant on level 2 but not sure what it is

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I don't see a permit for the Granville Street side "coffee shop" in the renderings.

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