BC Political Discussion: Election 2024 & 43rd Parliament

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Rob Shaw...

The same "many people" who want the Cons to win and the NDP fail no matter what? Try again.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

The same "many people" who want the Cons to win and the NDP fail no matter what? Try again.

You don’t like that then read the poll results article below it.

[Chirpythecougar]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Horgan was 10x the Premier Eby is.

And Eby is 100x the Premier any Con would be.
Do we have memories of goldfish here or are we ignoring the 2023 housing reforms? I would think the most progressive housing legislation in the US/Canada we've seen would be worth something on skyscraperpage

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by whatnext

You don’t like that then read the poll results article below it.

Same numbers as Obama's lowest? No problem - as long as the Cons have no leader and are trailing four points (assuming they don't implode again before '28), you can look forward to seeing Eby for six more years.

"Most popular premier" polls are pretty crap; just last year he was in the top half.

Originally Posted by Chirpythecougar

And Eby is 100x the Premier any Con would be.
Do we have memories of goldfish here or are we ignoring the 2023 housing reforms? I would think the most progressive housing legislation in the US/Canada we've seen would be worth something on skyscraperpage

Don't forget that whatnext is the Vancouver forum's loudest NIMBY.

[whatnext]

I didn't see this mentioned anywhere. IMHO it is a good call. Though Horgan was against it, he eventually came to realize it was a good project for BC.

B.C. to rename Site C dam after deceased premier John Horgan
VICTORIA — Former British Columbia premier John Horgan didn't like the idea of the Site C dam when he was alive and wouldn't like being named after it in death, but Premier David Eby says the massive hydroelectric project was emblematic of Horgan's l
Wolfgang Depner, The Canadian Press
about 16 hours ago

VICTORIA — Former British Columbia premier John Horgan didn't like the idea of the Site C dam when he was alive and wouldn't like being named after it in death, but Premier David Eby says the massive hydroelectric project was emblematic of Horgan's leadership.

Eby announced the renaming decision in Victoria on Thursday, which was attended by Horgan's wife, Ellie, and many other family members.

Horgan criticized the dam from the start, long before he was in government, for reasons including the large area it would flood behind the dam on the Peace River and the expropriation of homes.

But after his NDP government took office in 2017 with costs ballooning, Horgan said the project was too far along to stop.

Eby said it was a complicated decision to rename the dam after Horgan, and if he were alive today he wouldn't have allowed anything to be renamed after him....

https://www.biv.com/news/bc-to-rename-site-c-dam-after-deceased-premier-john-horgan-12312412

[chowhou]

I think it's on the stranger side of things, imagine if we named the TMX pipeline the "John Horgan Pipeline" or we named the Expo Line the "Mike Harcourt Line" and the Canada Line the "Derek Corrigan Line".

[madog222]

Originally Posted by chowhou

I think it's on the stranger side of things, imagine if we named the TMX pipeline the "John Horgan Pipeline" or we named the Expo Line the "Mike Harcourt Line" and the Canada Line the "Derek Corrigan Line".

It’s not without precedent, there is a (short) history of naming major dams in the province after former Premiers.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by madog222

It’s not without precedent, there is a (short) history of naming major dams in the province after former Premiers.

After premiers who fought against the projects? W.A.C. Bennett and John Hart were both some of the biggest supporters of hydroelectric projects in our province's history. Horgan tried his best to cancel Site C and begrudgingly accepted it was past the point of no return when he took office. I wouldn't say it's the same. All the people I mentioned before above are the politicians that fought their hardest to stop those projects from happening, so imagine if we named the projects after them?

[MIPS]

I think it's rather insulting. Even if he had to eat crow and let construction continue, he hated it and he was vocal about how much he hated it and even though hydro demand made the critics shut up before it was halfway done if he was alive to cut the ribbon I'm sure he'd be bitter about doing it.

When does the North Vancouver Wastewater Treatment Plant get named the David Eby Water Treatment Plant?

[kikin]

Originally Posted by Chirpythecougar

And Eby is 100x the Premier any Con would be.
...

huge kek

we are going to suffer a long time in this province fixing the mess that Eby has helped create, the sooner the election the better

[Chirpythecougar]

Originally Posted by kikin

huge kek

we are going to suffer a long time in this province fixing the mess that Eby has helped create, the sooner the election the better

Just because you're unhappy about Eby doesn't mean the conservatives are better. What conservative policies do you prefer?

[Migrant_Coconut]

If the Libs were still in charge, it might be the Gordon Campbell Dam... obviously the Christy Clark Dam is a non-starter even among their own voters.

[seamusmcduff]

It never would have been named Christy Clark because she's still alive. Imo it makes sense to make a major infrastructure project for Horgan, but a dam he was vocally against is probably the worst choice

[WarrenC12]

It was always a weird thing to be against, especially for the NDP. I don't get it. The opinion looks worse as time goes on.

Why is it not getting an indigenous name? What about the future tunnel replacement, they could name that after him?

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

It was always a weird thing to be against, especially for the NDP. I don't get it. The opinion looks worse as time goes on.

Why is it not getting an indigenous name? What about the future tunnel replacement, they could name that after him?

I wonder if it's because the dam is on settled Treaty 8 land the government doesn't have to play their political naming games.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by chowhou

I wonder if it's because the dam is on settled Treaty 8 land the government doesn't have to play their political naming games.

Well, google tells me they still did all of this:

Who is Consulted: BC Hydro has engaged with over 60 Indigenous Nations, with a primary focus on Treaty 8 First Nations in B.C., Alberta, and the Northwest Territories.

Timeline: Formal, intensive consultation and information-gathering began in late 2007, prior to the environmental assessment.

Benefit Agreements: BC Hydro has successfully negotiated and signed impact and benefit agreements with several Treaty 8 First Nations, offering compensation, land transfers, and employment opportunities.

Environmental Forums: BC Hydro and participating Nations established committees and an Indigenous Traditional Use Fund to collaborate on environmental studies, cultural heritage preservation, and habitat enhancement as the reservoir was filled.

Naming the Reservoir and Dam: As the reservoir filled and generating units came online, the B.C. government worked alongside local First Nations to name the reservoir Nááchę mege (Dreamer Lake). The dam itself was later renamed the John Horgan Dam, though this decision received some pushback for lacking broader regional consultation.

[RedArbutus]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

It was always a weird thing to be against, especially for the NDP. I don't get it. The opinion looks worse as time goes on.

IIRC It looks worse in hindsight because electricity demand in BC has since increased at rates that were not (and, debatably, could not have been) predicted, namely due to LNG/heavy industry, consumer electrical increase through channels like BEV adoption, and finally the rise of data center demand. Site C was in the wings for decades and the Libs elected to move forward despite at the time projected falling per capita electricity demand. The section of the Peace River selected was also highly agrarian and it was controversial that it was being chosen as the site for flooding. This is putting aside any of the indigenous treaty stuff.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by RedArbutus

IIRC It looks worse in hindsight because electricity demand in BC has since increased at rates that were not (and, debatably, could not have been) predicted, namely due to LNG/heavy industry, consumer electrical increase through channels like BEV adoption, and finally the rise of data center demand. Site C was in the wings for decades and the Libs elected to move forward despite at the time projected falling per capita electricity demand. The section of the Peace River selected was also highly agrarian and it was controversial that it was being chosen as the site for flooding. This is putting aside any of the indigenous treaty stuff.

That's not what I remember; I remember environmentalists being up in arms about site C because it was for LNG development. Let's not forget the BCNDP has also lead the charge when it came to BEV adoption in Canada and electrification of residential energy and certainly hasn't put any pause on LNG development. I think you've being overly charitable to the government here.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by chowhou

That's not what I remember; I remember environmentalists being up in arms about site C because it was for LNG development. Let's not forget the BCNDP has also lead the charge when it came to BEV adoption in Canada and electrification of residential energy and certainly hasn't put any pause on LNG development. I think you've being overly charitable to the government here.

Yes that's it exactly. BCNDP was against LNG and Site C and linked them together.

I think the rise of electricity demand was obvious with EVs and the move towards heat pumps and away from fossil fuel heating. The pace was the question, but with Hydro we can always sell on the open market to maximize profit as much as possible.

Site C, and any other hydro for that matter, is almost a no-brainer.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by chowhou

That's not what I remember; I remember environmentalists being up in arms about site C because it was for LNG development. Let's not forget the BCNDP has also lead the charge when it came to BEV adoption in Canada and electrification of residential energy and certainly hasn't put any pause on LNG development. I think you've being overly charitable to the government here.

That's not how it was viewed in 2014, when the 'Liberal' government (and the federal government) approved it. There were three sources of opposition; The local First Nations, who launched an unsucessful lawsuit, citing a devastating impact on their traditional land, local farmers, throught the Peace Valley Landowner Association, who launched a legal challenge, citing the 3,800 hectares of agricultural land (much of it of very high agricultural value) which has now been lost and environmental groups, who were concerned with habitat loss.

LNG wasn't (at the time) the justification, it was overall need for additional power. There wasn't an expectation that LNG would need additional electricity until later. LNG was actually said to be why the government might not have been approved the dam. There was concern that the cost and manpower of Site C and a fledgling LNG industry may be too prohibitive at once. In 2014, in New York, Christy Clark told Bloomberg media that “LNG is our priority in British Columbia and we don’t need to do Site C in order to fuel up the LNG industry…Hopefully, we will find a way to do both, but if it’s one or the other, I’m choosing LNG.”