Statistics Canada Reports II

[Coldrsx]

'I know this sounds really negative but in some ways I think Edmonton's downtown is beyond redemption.'

It's coming back, albeit slowly, but there are something like 3500 units planned or u/c, a giant new urban park and an at grade LRT that will be open in 2-3 yrs.

The mall is a key piece is and is currently in receivership, but it will return.

Having lived Downtown for 2020+ yrs, it's ebbed and flowed, but really needs a residential growth focus to bring it back, along with a commitment by all orders and partners to clean up the streets (starting to happen).

The bigger issue is office/commercial sector growth to drive workers back, along with much needed retail.

[jonny24]

Originally Posted by someone123

S-tier
F-tier

Huh? Is there some new alphabet order I don't don't about?

[Toronto_GTA]

A lot of the recent Statistics Canada and Urbanation data points are painting the same picture: short-term weakness, but potential long-term supply issues. What really stands out is that Q1 2026 had zero new condo launches across the GTHA for the first time in decades, while projects under construction also dropped sharply.

I came across a good breakdown of the numbers here:
https://www.gta-homes.com/real-insights/news/q1-2026-condo-market-report/

The current market definitely favors buyers in terms of incentives and selection, but if construction activity keeps slowing while population growth continues, supply could tighten much faster than many people expect over the next few years.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by Surrealplaces

I'll throw in my predications for the main metros.

Calgary +30,000
Edmonton +28,000
Montreal +25,000
Ottawa +22,000
Vancouver +20,000
Toronto +15,000
Winnipeg +10,000
St Catharines +5,000
Quebec +5,000
Hamilton +5,000
Saskatoon +5,000
Halifax +5,00
Victoria +4,000
Regina +3,000
Kitchener Waterloo +3,000
London +2,000

I'm going to correct y'all until you can spell St. Catharines correctly.

niwell never understood why its nickname is St. Kitts and I had to explain that Kitty is a affectionate short form of Catharine/Catherine/Katherine/Katharine (Hepburn anyone?)
Why did you place London and KW lower than St. Catharines? While Niagara Region is growing fairly quickly, the smaller St. Catharines-Niagara CMA is a bit slower.

[kora]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

'I know this sounds really negative but in some ways I think Edmonton's downtown is beyond redemption.'

It's coming back, albeit slowly

Downtown Edmonton has been "coming back" since the 1980s, so I don't think it's really coming back at all. It's taken steps forward and back. It's like walking on a treadmill. You're moving forward but you end up in the same place.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by jonny24

Huh? Is there some new alphabet order I don't don't about?

A bit of a joke. It's these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_list

[ue]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

'I know this sounds really negative but in some ways I think Edmonton's downtown is beyond redemption.'

It's coming back, albeit slowly, but there are something like 3500 units planned or u/c, a giant new urban park and an at grade LRT that will be open in 2-3 yrs.

The mall is a key piece is and is currently in receivership, but it will return.

Having lived Downtown for 2020+ yrs, it's ebbed and flowed, but really needs a residential growth focus to bring it back, along with a commitment by all orders and partners to clean up the streets (starting to happen).

The bigger issue is office/commercial sector growth to drive workers back, along with much needed retail.

Dude your girlfriend is too afraid of Downtown Edmonton. I've watched you have the same conversations for decades at this point. Your time on the DBA didn't move the needle. Lululemon ditched Whyte Ave. Downtown is worse than 10 years ago somehow because even 10 years ago it wasn't great. I've been attacked at Corona LRT Station as a large adult man. Can we please stop having this clinical conversation and be honest?

[jc_yyc_ca]

Originally Posted by Wigs

I'm going to correct y'all until you can spell St. Catharines correctly.

niwell never understood why its nickname is St. Kitts and I had to explain that Kitty is a affectionate short form of Catharine/Catherine/Katherine/Katharine (Hepburn anyone?)
Why did you place London and KW lower than St. Catharines? While Niagara Region is growing fairly quickly, the smaller St. Catharines-Niagara CMA is a bit slower.

I would guess KW would be lower becuase are more affected by the international student and temporary foreign worker numbers?

[jonny24]

Originally Posted by ue

To be honest, I've tried many times over the years to stop visiting SSP. The way I was treated on this website early on was not great as a young person. Why were grown professors at Western University bullying 16 year olds? Why were urban planners from a 1978 vintage laughing at me for not getting adult jokes when I was here to discuss cool new buildings going up at the time in Calgary because the stuff was lacking in Edmonton no matter how much we told ourselves the ICON Condos would put us on the map? This is rhetorical and I don't expect you or anyone to have an answer.

To be fair this is part and parcel of being on the internet - it's an adult world and you'll basically be treated like one if you put yourself out there. I was on forums a lot as a teenager and have always felt it was on me to fit in the grown-up majority, not them to adjust for a child who signed up.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

????

Quoi???

I'm hoping Moncton will surpass 200,000 in the CMA this year.

17. Saskatoon, SK - 3845000

=3,845,000

[MolsonExport]

Threatening to contact a person's employer and doxxing will not be tolerated on this website and will result in an immediate ban.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by jonny24

To be fair this is part and parcel of being on the internet - it's an adult world and you'll basically be treated like one if you put yourself out there. I was on forums a lot as a teenager and have always felt it was on me to fit in the grown-up majority, not them to adjust for a child who signed up.

Apparently he's still too immature to be on a message board forum with regards to what he said about a moderator, MolsonExport, and then a prominent Edmonton forumer

Don't attack someone's job, family, or threaten to doxx them or contact their employer. It's really simple to follow for most.
Good grief!

[MonkeyRonin]

Well that's a shame, I was enjoying the Edmonton conversation - that's the kind of stuff where SSP is at it's best, moreso than the stats jockeying.



On the topic of the census though: I got our census form a couple weeks ago. But we live in a 2-unit house with a shared mailbox, and only got 1 census form, so I only filled it out for my household while my neighbour has presumably gone uncounted. My street (and Vancouver more broadly) is filled with similar housing arrangements, or units that otherwise lack independent mail slots - so the fact that only maybe half of the households on the block can even respond to the census (and don't seem to have any other option) seems to be a big weakness with how it's conducted, and will obviously contribute to the population undercount - without even getting in to all of the people who don't bother (or aren't able) to respond. Part of why I'd always put more stock into the population estimates - and not just because I like the bigger numbers.

[WayneShuster]

What does doxx mean anyway, some form of new colloquialism from south of the border I'm not familiar with?

[giallo]

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

Well that's a shame, I was enjoying the Edmonton conversation - that's the kind of stuff where SSP is at it's best, moreso than the stats jockeying.



On the topic of the census though: I got our census form a couple weeks ago. But we live in a 2-unit house with a shared mailbox, and only got 1 census form, so I only filled it out for my household while my neighbour has presumably gone uncounted. My street (and Vancouver more broadly) is filled with similar housing arrangements, or units that otherwise lack independent mail slots - so the fact that only maybe half of the households on the block can even respond to the census (and don't seem to have any other option) seems to be a big weakness with how it's conducted, and will obviously contribute to the population undercount - without even getting in to all of the people who don't bother (or aren't able) to respond.

Yeah. I was really enjoying the conversation as well. I missed the whole doxxing threat, though. Too bad it came to that.

And good point about the census. There are so many houses in Vancouver that have multiple units inside them. It's not uncommon to have a SFH subdivided into four units.

[38 Geary]

There was an explicit threat to doxx someone here, which is an instant ban. Simple as that.

[jonny24]

Originally Posted by WayneShuster

What does doxx mean anyway, some form of new colloquialism from south of the border I'm not familiar with?

I don't know where it comes from, but it's not new. It means to reveal the real identity of someone's online persona.

[O-tacular]

How does the most mundane thread by topic always have so much drama?

[Innsertnamehere]

9,500 posts over 17 years.. jeez, what a way to end your time here.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

????

Quoi???

I'm hoping Moncton will surpass 200,000 in the CMA this year.

There's a bunch of Metros about to surpass the 200k mark soon.
- Moncton (196k)
- Kingston (193k)
- Greater Sudbury (194k)
- Guelph (183k) not too far behind

And as I learned earlier, if Moncton gains another 1M people it will be just like Edmonton
Still not a "real city" though apparently

Originally Posted by jc_yyc_ca

I would guess KW would be lower becuase are more affected by the international student and temporary foreign worker numbers?

I forgot Conestoga College's existence became tied almost completely to international students. That being said KW seems to keep growing as evidenced by the increasing height of high-rise residential in the linear skyline between Kitchener and Waterloo near the ion streetcar err light rail.