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How many time are you going to reshare the same images over and over again, sometimes within the same page? we get it, you have a total boner for this misplaced "park" and shitty faux classical lipstick over existing glass buildings and here you are calling something lipstick on a pig when in fact this gpa proposal is more or less doing the same exact thing. both proposals that we have seen have drawbacks, the original Penn is gone and never coming back. the sooner you understand/admit that to yourself the better.

Well, I agree with this, in that it has in fact become more or less spamming. As we know, Vornado is currently looking to build an office tower on site, and MSG is not looking to nor seeking approval to move.

We will keep the discussion here on 15 Penn.
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I was pointing out Vornado's admissions regarding massive obstacles for building this tower on this site.
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How many time are you going to reshare the same images over and over again, sometimes within the same page? we get it, you have a total boner for this misplaced "park" and shitty faux classical lipstick over existing glass buildings and here you are calling something lipstick on a pig when in fact this gpa proposal is more or less doing the same exact thing. both proposals that we have seen have drawbacks, the original Penn is gone and never coming back. the sooner you understand/admit that to yourself the better.
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I was pointing out Vornado's admissions regarding massive obstacles for building this tower on this site.
They were speaking of building these towers in general, which we all know has become very expensive. Which is why some people scream "value engineering" when in fact, they're not putting up the money to get whatever version of a tower they want, built. Things costs. Developers know that. Just so you know, costs for ALL construction has gone up. It's not like a new arena would suddenly come cheap.
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They were speaking of building these towers in general, which we all know has become very expensive. Which is why some people scream "value engineering" when in fact, they're not putting up the money to get whatever version of a tower they want, built. Things costs. Developers know that. Just so you know, costs for ALL construction has gone up. It's not like a new arena would suddenly come cheap.
We'll have more information by June.
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We'll have more information by June.
15 Penn. That’s what we’re discussing.
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How many time are you going to reshare the same images over and over again, sometimes within the same page? we get it, you have a total boner for this misplaced "park" and shitty faux classical lipstick over existing glass buildings and here you are calling something lipstick on a pig when in fact this gpa proposal is more or less doing the same exact thing. both proposals that we have seen have drawbacks, the original Penn is gone and never coming back. the sooner you understand/admit that to yourself the better.
Spread the gospel.
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More arguments for this tower, and others in the district...


https://commercialobserver.com/2026/04/p...he-center-of-manhattans-office-universe/

Penn Station Becoming the Center of Manhattan’s Office Universe


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A new report from Cushman & Wakefield shows that almost a quarter of Manhattan office relocations in 2023, 2024 and 2025 ended up in the Pennsylvania Station submarket, and that most tenants relocated while expanding their space.
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Financial services firms took 24 percent of this space, with professional services firms just behind at 23.7 percent, technology taking 18.8 percent, and media and information taking 10.7 percent. The remaining space was divided along categories including media, legal, real estate, entertainment and more.

The report notes that 14 office buildings have been developed or renovated in the Penn Station submarket over the past decade, adding or augmenting around 23 million square feet of highly desirable office space, and expanding submarket inventory by 124.2 percent. These buildings have a current total vacancy rate of just 6.5 percent. For comparison, a separate C&W report pegged Manhattan’s overall vacancy rate at 19.9 percent by the end of March.
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“Prior to this modernization of the area, there were only six Class A buildings in the Penn Station area. Now there are 20, and there’s less B and C,” said Albert. “Since Hudson Yards began in 2016, the whole area has been transformed, and then, in 2023, the renovations of Penn 1 and Penn 2 really modernized the area. It helped to alleviate a lot of overcrowdedness and just became very attractive to a lot of tenants.”

Looking ahead, six additional conversions or new developments are currently in the works that will expand Class A inventory in the submarket by another 30.1 percent over the next seven years.
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“Penn Station has firmly established itself as one of the most competitive and compelling office submarkets in New York City, thanks to a decadelong transformation,” Bruce Mosler, chairman of global brokerage for C&W, said in a statement. “Projects like Vornado’s Penn District, including the Penn 1 and Penn 2 office towers, are the new gateway to the West Side, offering connectivity to Hudson Yards and Manhattan West. These projects underscore how thoughtful redevelopment and transit-oriented planning can fundamentally reposition an entire neighborhood and attract sustained tenant demand.”
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C&W also noted that companies relocating to the Penn Station submarket are paying prime rates. Average asking rents there were 37.8 percent higher than the Midtown average, and overall vacancy was 3.1 percent lower.

The report also cited how companies relocating to the Penn District are “significantly more likely to expand their footprint rather than consolidate,” bucking current trends toward smaller leases.

Albert credited the larger footprints to the availability of larger blocks of space in the Penn submarket.

“Penn Station offers some of the larger blocks available, especially since Penn 2 was completed,” said Albert, noting that much of this space has been “gobbled up.”
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How many time are you going to reshare the same images over and over again, sometimes within the same page? we get it, you have a total boner for this misplaced "park" and shitty faux classical lipstick over existing glass buildings and here you are calling something lipstick on a pig when in fact this gpa proposal is more or less doing the same exact thing. both proposals that we have seen have drawbacks, the original Penn is gone and never coming back. the sooner you understand/admit that to yourself the better.

I don't even need to look to see who you are addressing.

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https://commercialobserver.com/2026/04/p...he-center-of-manhattans-office-universe/

Penn Station Becoming the Center of Manhattan’s Office Universe


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What class A buildings are in this corridor? I can only think of 1 Penn and 2 Penn. I would think that if it is doing so well, 15 Penn would have been preleased by now. I recall that it has been a proposal of various forms since the mid 2010s.
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What class A buildings are in this corridor? I can only think of 1 Penn and 2 Penn. I would think that if it is doing so well, 15 Penn would have been preleased by now. I recall that it has been a proposal of various forms since the mid 2010s.
Manhattan West and Hudson Yards?
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What class A buildings are in this corridor? I can only think of 1 Penn and 2 Penn. I would think that if it is doing so well, 15 Penn would have been preleased by now. I recall that it has been a proposal of various forms since the mid 2010s.
Maybe it includes the Manhattan west buildings 2 new construction/ 1 renovation)?
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What class A buildings are in this corridor? I can only think of 1 Penn and 2 Penn. I would think that if it is doing so well, 15 Penn would have been preleased by now. I recall that it has been a proposal of various forms since the mid 2010s.
That’s not how it works. All of the Hudson Yards towers are filled up, and are always leased quickly, even before completion. Yet, 3 Hudson Yards stands there hungry for a tenant. The WTC towers have been full, yet 2 WTC struggled for years to land a tenant. This tower was the first to land actenant - even before anything at the Hudson Yards. Yet the financial crisis killed that, and the tower has been off and on again for years, depending on what Vornado wanted to do. They could wait it out while the “placeholder” hotel remained open, and now that option olis off the table. If they say they are having serious talks now, even as 1 and 2 Penn fill up, believe them.
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The tower seems too squashed to me. If it were taller, it would be better...
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https://nypost.com/2026/04/22/real-estate/a-look-inside-the-latest-crop-of-nyc-super-towers/

Inside the new ultra-towers set to transform the NYC skyline in the coming years


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........The rest of the towers on the drawing board may not be ready until years later, but tenants with expirations in the 2030s are already exploring their options.

Just look at Societe Generale: its lease at 245 Park Ave. expires in 2032, but it’s already kicking the tires for a 500,000-square-foot slot at Vornado’s Penn 15; RXR’s 175 Park; or BXP and Moinian’s 3 Hudson Blvd.

I would think 175 Park would have the edge here, but others have jumped west, so we'll see.
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If SocGen signs a lease here it would be amazing for the Penn District. I hope it happens.
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Vikram Malhotra: I guess first one, given all the kind of activity you've had with all the PENN assets. Any update on Hotel PENN and PENN [indiscernible] Mall in terms of users, monetization, et cetera.

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Much nicer than previous versions. That's a lot of space to rent and they need an anchor. I hope they get an anchor soon, so they can proceed with this version.
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