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Old Posted Apr 28, 2026, 2:07 PM
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As somebody who is parting with a classic car that is being more or less left to rot at my parents house due to a variety of circumstances... Ya really need to do something with this property.

Doing a shakedown of that car last weekend exposed manufactured issues that wouldn't be there had it even just been occasionally used. A near perfect interior of a 51 year old car was turning moldy and now has some holes in the headliner from mice.

Do something with this property one way or another or the problems will compound themselves. The notion that no party wants to spend money on it because the opposition will grill them for it is just peak Ottawa/Canadiana somehow.

I am now curious what other nations leaders do not have or don't live in an official residence.
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2026, 2:28 PM
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Please just tear it down, create an all-party committee to approve a new residence that meets all the new guidelines and requirements. Don't go overboard, make it blend into the landscape, make sure we check all the appropriate boxes let's get going please!
24 Sussex was never designed as the Prime Minister's house, let's build one (with a big ballroom )
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2026, 3:34 PM
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"You're not going to see me at 24 Sussex, but I would like to see my successors at 24 Sussex in some way, shape or form," Carney said in an interview Monday with CBC News: The National.
And this is why the notion that fixing 24 Sussex is unpopular because it looks bad for a PM to fix his "own" house is stupid. It will likely take 5 to 10 years to fix once shovels are in the ground.

This isn't like Trump who personally makes plans for the White House and puts them into motion with no oversight.
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And this is why the notion that fixing 24 Sussex is unpopular because it looks bad for a PM to fix his "own" house is stupid. It will likely take 5 to 10 years to fix once shovels are in the ground.

This isn't like Trump who personally makes plans for the White House and puts them into motion with no oversight.
The concern has always been overblown istm. Especially if the Opposition were to be on side with whatever is planned.
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2026, 3:41 PM
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The concern has always been overblown istm. Especially if the Opposition were to be on side with whatever is planned.
You'll never get Pierre Poilievre on side, you know, the guy who lives in a the renovated home of the official opposition and was actually just squatting there with no actual right to be there for 6 months.

Could reasonably get the Bloc, NDP and Green on board.
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2026, 6:33 PM
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You'll never get Pierre Poilievre on side, you know, the guy who lives in a the renovated home of the official opposition and was actually just squatting there with no actual right to be there for 6 months.

Could reasonably get the Bloc, NDP and Green on board.
And even some non-Leader Conservatives. I can even see Harper lending his weight.
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2026, 6:36 PM
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And even some non-Leader Conservatives. I can even see Harper lending his weight.
Harper has been vocal on the issue in recent years. He even teamed up with Chrétien to raise money a few years back, which is a bit ironic since Harper refused to move out of 24 Sussex as Prime Minister.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/could-two-former-prime-ministers-help-rescue-24-sussex
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2026, 8:27 PM
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And I'm very much on Team No, Don't "Tear It Down".

Sure, the house isn't Europe old, but it's Canada old. It would be a protected heritage house almost anywhere else, and its history as an official residence does give it significant patina. Important people and events have been inside its walls. Repurpose the existing building and add whatever needs adding.
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2026, 9:47 PM
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And I'm very much on Team No, Don't "Tear It Down".

Sure, the house isn't Europe old, but it's Canada old. It would be a protected heritage house almost anywhere else, and its history as an official residence does give it significant patina. Important people and events have been inside its walls. Repurpose the existing building and add whatever needs adding.
It isn’t Canada old, it is Ship of Theseus old. The house was almost entirely destroyed in the 1950s and then gutted again in the last few years. There is nothing heritage about it.
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It isn’t Canada old, it is Ship of Theseus old. The house was almost entirely destroyed in the 1950s and then gutted again in the last few years. There is nothing heritage about it.
Did I read correctly that it will cost $100-million to fix the house? If you Google “$100-million mansion” you get some of the biggest nicest mansions in California. Tear down the old house and build something like those or even half of those! I don’t want us to spend that much tax money on a crummy old house that is that far gone that it couldn’t even be safe enough to have tourist walk through.
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Did I read correctly that it will cost $100-million to fix the house? If you Google “$100-million mansion” you get some of the biggest nicest mansions in California. Tear down the old house and build something like those or even half of those! I don’t want us to spend that much tax money on a crummy old house that is that far gone that it couldn’t even be safe enough to have tourist walk through.
No, that kind of figure would be for a new complex (more than just a house), including huge security upgrades.
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No, that kind of figure would be for a new complex (more than just a house), including huge security upgrades.
Can we have some security downgrades?
Honestly tired of all that security theater. The other day I was on the Hill and there were literally 20 cruisers with bored officers sitting around the West Block. They add a couple new ones every year and they started fencing off the road around the Block in the afternoon directing tourists over to Wellington.

Really pathetic to see.
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Can we have some security downgrades?
Honestly tired of all that security theater. The other day I was on the Hill and there were literally 20 cruisers with bored officers sitting around the West Block. They add a couple new ones every year and they started fencing off the road around the Block in the afternoon directing tourists over to Wellington.

Really pathetic to see.
It really is when later they can go for a walk barely escorted. Sure the threat level is higher for official events but it's not zero elsewhere.

A new building seems like the obvious choice. The adress is historic not the building. Let's build something with an element from every province and territory.
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And I'm very much on Team No, Don't "Tear It Down".

Sure, the house isn't Europe old, but it's Canada old. It would be a protected heritage house almost anywhere else, and its history as an official residence does give it significant patina. Important people and events have been inside its walls. Repurpose the existing building and add whatever needs adding.
Have not been following this in detail. But, my understanding is they went through a remediation process to remove lead paint, asbestos, rodent droppings etc. That would have brough it back to bare wood studs and then the exterior shell. They should be able to repurpose that into something that is workable. If the shell of the building has been remediated already, what is gained by starting over.

It is a house, not an office building or events venue. Keep it as a house. Set it up so the PM if able to host other leaders and small gathering in a small function of maybe 15-20 at most. Anything bigger can be done in an events venue somewhere.
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Have not been following this in detail. But, my understanding is they went through a remediation process to remove lead paint, asbestos, rodent droppings etc. That would have brough it back to bare wood studs and then the exterior shell. They should be able to repurpose that into something that is workable. If the shell of the building has been remediated already, what is gained by starting over.

It is a house, not an office building or events venue. Keep it as a house. Set it up so the PM if able to host other leaders and small gathering in a small function of maybe 15-20 at most. Anything bigger can be done in an events venue somewhere.
I suspect “repurpose” means a stone by stone disassembly and building an elaborate steel superstructure and then reattaching the stones as a facade.
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Can we have some security downgrades?
Honestly tired of all that security theater. The other day I was on the Hill and there were literally 20 cruisers with bored officers sitting around the West Block. They add a couple new ones every year and they started fencing off the road around the Block in the afternoon directing tourists over to Wellington.

Really pathetic to see.
Security is always too much, until the moment that it's not enough.
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2026, 1:16 PM
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Do we really want to live in a world of ultra-security? Or subject our elected leaders to that?

Unthinkable things will always happen. There is no way to ensure complete safety for anyone.

Do you honestly think that having “literally 20 cruisers with bored officers sitting around the West Block” would have made any difference after Corporal Cirillo was shot? The shooter was able to run into the Centre Block of Parliament Hill despite the security at that time (2014). It is only AFTER an alarm goes off that most security goes into motion.

Just the other day there were shots fired in the proximity of the President of the U.S.A.. And it was less than two years ago that Trump was shot at during his campaign. As an ex-President, he had a security detail at that time, too.

There needs to be breathing room for our elected officials. I’m sure that there was elevated security at TD Place on April 14, 2026, but it probably wasn’t completely locked down. Yet Finland’s President Stubb and Prime Minister Carney were skating on the ice with The Charge.

They keep talking about creating a large public area in front of the Parliament Buildings – yet they want to have it completely secure.

We now need to go through security to watch our City Councilor in City Hall – yet the Mayor goes our running every morning. And all Councilors spend most of their time out in their ridings.

Just give the Prime Minister a reasonably comfortable house where they can entertain small groups in a more informal, intimate, environment. Let them have a ‘home office’, but most of their work will be done at their main office. Let their home be a HOME. Don’t make them live in an institutional building, on a secure compound. Make sure local security is sufficient to deter MOST incidents. Make use of AI to continually monitor the grounds for ‘anomalies’ – so that security can be quickly alerted.

Security is a funny beast. It is too invasive for most of the time, and only reactive when needed. I like kwoldtimer’s phrase:
“Security is always too much, until the moment that it's not enough.”
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It isn’t Canada old, it is Ship of Theseus old. The house was almost entirely destroyed in the 1950s and then gutted again in the last few years. There is nothing heritage about it.
Same as the White House.
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I'm pro restoring 24 Sussex. If not for the PM residence (though that would be my preference) as a museum of post WWII Canadian PMs to 2015.
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A House fit for a Prime Minister

Future of 24 Sussex Drive: While the government dithers, here are some ideas to fix it


Among the most difficult housing questions facing Canada, apparently, is where the prime minister should lay his head at night

Simon Tuck, National Post
Published Apr 09, 2026



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