Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion II

[SFUVancouver]

Streets ahead.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

My brother in Christ, light years is a measure of distance, not time

Well, it's not like time isn't involved in the speed of light. #relativity.

Besides, words in context change meaning...

The real question is how fast can it do the kessel run?

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Well, it's not like time isn't involved in the speed of light. #relativity.

Then it would be light-(insert unit of distance here) if we are measuring time with light.

[Glow Fun City]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

Then it would be light-(insert unit of distance here) if we are measuring time with light.

299,792km is one light second

[GMasterAres]

Huge nerd alert here but when comparing two objects in space and trying to explain how one is further away implying the other object could catch up, you are in fact measuring both distance and time. This is because for two objects to meet up in our reality, you can't only give a spatial coordinate you need to also provide a time, and vice versa.

"Meet me at Metrotown" alone would require you to immediately ask "what time?" and vice versa me saying "meet me at 4:30" would have you yell "WHEN!?"

They are tied together. Therefore in nerd conclusion, light-years ahead is a perfectly valid measure of time between two objects just as much as it is a perfectly valid measure of distance... and anyways we all know what it means now back to our show.

[logan5]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Really? You think our trains compare to New York's, which can span well over 200 metres?

I love the Skytrain system, but in terms of scale it's light years behind New York. Which is entirely fair, because Vancouver and British Columbia have nowhere near the demand nor the funding capacity.

yeah but we got them on frequency and looks. Skytrain > NY subway.

[BaddieB]

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[Mac Write]

With 9 Mark V's in service only 30/5 Mark I trains have been retired.

I remember reading here about when they were adding the second order of Mark III's they had to wait for 4 trains to be added before the scheduling could be changed

It seems they are seeing more Mark I's in service to add capacity/spares as we should be at 48-54 Mark I's retired which also marks 1/3 the fleet retired.

yes my autistic brain is trying to balance all this out. in May we will have 10 Mark V's in service which would allow 8 Mark I 6-car trains to be retired. I guess they are running too well at this point to pull from service.

[jollyburger]

Mayors Council meeting agenda for April 30 (nothing that interesting)

https://www.translink.ca/-/media/transli...ril/mayors-council-agenda-april-2026.pdf

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

With 9 Mark V's in service only 30/5 Mark I trains have been retired.

I remember reading here about when they were adding the second order of Mark III's they had to wait for 4 trains to be added before the scheduling could be changed

It seems they are seeing more Mark I's in service to add capacity/spares as we should be at 48-54 Mark I's retired which also marks 1/3 the fleet retired.

yes my autistic brain is trying to balance all this out. in May we will have 10 Mark V's in service which would allow 8 Mark I 6-car trains to be retired. I guess they are running too well at this point to pull from service.

They may be waiting until the World Cup games are over to retire more Mk 1 train sets, as they're planning to add quite a bit more service on game days.

[Mac Write]

Originally Posted by Changing City

They may be waiting until the World Cup games are over to retire more Mk 1 train sets, as they're planning to add quite a bit more service on game days.

How much service? (I don't care about sports). are we talking 24/7 service with trains every 90 seconds?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

How much service? (I don't care about sports). are we talking 24/7 service with trains every 90 seconds?

No, it's specific to game days.

TransLink say

More frequent trains before and after matches at BC Place Vancouver, arriving at downtown stations every 2 to 2.5 minutes (similar to rush-hour frequency).

Later SkyTrain service on all three lines (Canada, Expo, and Millennium) with each running one hour later on evenings with late-night matches (June 13, June 26, and July 2).

Empty trains starting at Main Street–Science World Station after matches to help clear crowds faster.

[jollyburger]

The only games that might have a larger impact are the midweek games with Canada that start at 3PM and 12PM. Some of the other games start at 8/9PM so it might be anticlimactic from a traffic/transit POV.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

With 9 Mark V's in service only 30/5 Mark I trains have been retired.

I remember reading here about when they were adding the second order of Mark III's they had to wait for 4 trains to be added before the scheduling could be changed

It seems they are seeing more Mark I's in service to add capacity/spares as we should be at 48-54 Mark I's retired which also marks 1/3 the fleet retired.

yes my autistic brain is trying to balance all this out. in May we will have 10 Mark V's in service which would allow 8 Mark I 6-car trains to be retired. I guess they are running too well at this point to pull from service.

BTW: DH confirmed with Translink saying the retirement is already up to 34

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/skytrain-mark-v-trains-incoming-arrivals-april-2026

Not sure how much spare storage space they have with all the new MK V trains (in service/testing) and waiting for OMC4 to complete.

[WarrenC12]

I'm confused with the retirement order. I still see white livery Mk1 cars out there. Both red/blue and yellow/blue.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I'm confused with the retirement order. I still see white livery Mk1 cars out there. Both red/blue and yellow/blue.

I would think the livery wouldn't be a factor in deciding which Mk 1 trains are retired first. It would seem logical to remove them based on any servicing requirements or repairs they require. It won't be that long before they're all gone.

[madog222]

Most of the currently retired sets were actually off the roster before the first Mark V entered service. As mentioned, those early units to go were likely due to specific costly repairs or maintenance they individually required.
Recent retirements from earlier this year are from 1995 swoop on white fleet, more inline with a general retirement schedule.

Originally Posted by Changing City

I would think the livery wouldn't be a factor in deciding which Mk 1 trains are retired first. It would seem logical to remove them based on any servicing requirements or repairs they require. It won't be that long before they're all gone.

Livery is a quick reference for the age of the trains and components. While being the youngest, those trains still in their original BC Transit or early Translink colours didn't recieve the major overhaul last decade.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by madog222

Livery is a quick reference for the age of the trains and components. While being the youngest, those trains still in their original BC Transit or early Translink colours didn't recieve the major overhaul last decade.

I realize that, but this far out from that overhaul I'm guessing some of the early refurbished ones may still have issues, while a few of the others don't. Supposedly all 114 of the initial cars were refurbished, starting in 2013, through to at least 2017, and got the blue and grey livery. Some still have the original BC Transit red/blue livery on white, so maybe those are the 16 1990/91 cars? And there were 20 more added in 1994/95. Maybe those are the white ones, with the blue and yellow swoop?

[xd_1771]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

With 9 Mark V's in service only 30/5 Mark I trains have been retired.

I remember reading here about when they were adding the second order of Mark III's they had to wait for 4 trains to be added before the scheduling could be changed

It seems they are seeing more Mark I's in service to add capacity/spares as we should be at 48-54 Mark I's retired which also marks 1/3 the fleet retired.

Although not communicated publicly, the system had been operating in 'train shortage' conditions prior to the delivery of the Mark Vs. While the fleet was enough to operate normally, any extended outage of trains for maintenance would be marked by the sudden appearance of shorter 4-car Mark I trains in regular service (This was often at rather inopportune times too, such as one summer when Surrey service was cut for switch replacement and completely sardine-packed platforms were being met by consecutive 4-car Mark Is).

The intro of the Mark Vs have done a lot to restore balance and order to the system, particularly on the Surrey branch where capacity is cut in half but every station is at record all-time highs for passenger boardings.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Changing City

I would think the livery wouldn't be a factor in deciding which Mk 1 trains are retired first. It would seem logical to remove them based on any servicing requirements or repairs they require. It won't be that long before they're all gone.

I'm using livery as a proxy for age. Don't be so pedantic.