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Old Posted May 28, 2025, 2:51 PM
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Kind of off topic, but as a young(ish) person, it really gives me the ick that all of the "poor common folk" in that article are would-be out-of-province absentee landlords.

I get that we need all the investment we can get into housing, but damn I just want a place to live in and its pretty hard to give a shit about investment properties for people who already got while the getting was good.
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Old Posted May 28, 2025, 6:00 PM
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Kind of off topic, but as a young(ish) person, it really gives me the ick that all of the "poor common folk" in that article are would-be out-of-province absentee landlords.

I get that we need all the investment we can get into housing, but damn I just want a place to live in and its pretty hard to give a shit about investment properties for people who already got while the getting was good.
These people wouldn’t have been landlords. They were essentially acting as the bank in these schemes. Their investments were supposed to be used for development costs. I believe they then would have received a percentage of the profit/interest on their investment. I don’t know if they also had buyers’ deposits in these projects, but I believe they would have received them back as they would have been held in trust by a third party.
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Old Posted May 28, 2025, 6:17 PM
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Here is the judgement on the case.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...rial-1.7545051

Developers found guilty of defrauding investors out of retirement savings in Barrie, Winnipeg

Defence lawyers previously argued risks were made clear to those involved

Adam Carter · CBC News · Posted: May 28, 2025 4:00 AM CDT | Last Updated: 1 hour ago

Two men have been found guilty of fraud over $5,000 after misleading investors on two never-realized projects in Barrie, Ont., and in Winnipeg.

Justice Daniel Moore delivered his judgment in the judge-alone criminal fraud trial of Jawad Rathore and Vince Petrozza in a downtown Toronto courtroom Wednesday.

"Mr. Rathore and Mr. Petrozza are smart, sophisticated businessmen," Moore said, before telling the two men to stand as he delivered his judgment.

"I find beyond a reasonable doubt that they both intentionally misled investors about the value of their secured interest in order to induce them into investing," Moore said. "While they likely hoped that all the projects would be successful and the investors would be paid back, I find beyond a reasonable doubt that they knew they were putting investor funds at risk."

Investors lost tens of thousands of dollars after using the pair's company, Fortress Real Developments, to invest in the mixed-use Collier Centre in Barrie, Ont., and a condo tower called SkyCity in Winnipeg.

The charges related to syndicated mortgages, which are loans made by several investors to cover initial development costs like marketing and zoning, with the land itself acting as collateral.

After 38 years as a federal employee, Linda Bilorosek of Burlington Ont., invested her entire retirement savings in the SkyCity project. Of her $63,000 investment, she lost about $56,000.

Her relief was evident speaking to CBC News after the verdict was handed down.

"I am so happy. I can't tell you — I am very emotional," Bilorosek said, her voice warbling with emotion. "It's been really stressful … it's a relief."

In the beginning of this ordeal, Bilorosek said she didn't even tell people in her family that she'd lost money.

"I was ashamed that I was duped into doing this investment — I thought that I was smarter than that. This just proves how we were conned," she said.

Eduardo Cavaco invested over $269,000 in the Collier Centre project. "I lost every penny of that money," he told CBC News.

Seeing Moore's verdict handed down brought "a little bit of satisfaction," Cavaco said, but he still worries that investors in these projects are "not going to see any of their money."

"This is terrible. I feel terrible about that," he said.

The maximum sentence for fraud over $5,000 is 14 years in prison. The proceedings are set to resume again next month.

During closing arguments in April, the defence had argued the investments' risks were made clear to those providing the loans and that Rathore and Petrozza didn't deal with investors directly, relying instead on mortgage brokers.

But Crown prosecutors argued at the time that investors had been misled about the value of the land involved in their loans, which was a central theme in the marketing of the investments as safe and secure.

As syndicated mortgage investments are secured against land, the value of that land is key, Crown prosecutors said. The value is so important because if something goes awry with the development, the investments can be recovered by selling the land.

In making the argument that Rathore and Petrozza didn't deal with investors directly, the defence said the mortgage brokers had a legal duty to ensure the investors were aware of the risk.

But a video entered into evidence showed Petrozza training brokers on what needed to be disclosed to investors in the syndicated mortgages. Prosecutors also said Petrozza and Rathore knew there were property appraisals that had lower values than the opinion of value given to investors, according to internal email discussions.
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Old Posted May 28, 2025, 6:37 PM
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Great news. Of course if Canada becomes the 51st state, no doubt Trump will pardon them!
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Great news. Of course if Canada becomes the 51st state, no doubt Trump will pardon them!
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Old Posted May 28, 2025, 7:09 PM
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We should force those two to actually build the tower here in Winnipeg with their own hands...would still likely top out before Sutton.
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Old Posted Feb 2, 2026, 8:35 PM
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Ill always jokingly say that its too bad the rug was pulled before SkyCity was built - cool tower design.
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Best case scenario was the tower got built before everything started to unravel. Worst case scenario was everything started to unravel during construction (like Regina), leaving us with another Sutton Place-style fiasco. The way I see it, Winnipeg didn’t get the best outcome but we also didn’t get the worst outcome.
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Financiers who defrauded investors in Winnipeg, Barrie projects sentenced to 5 years in jail, $12 million each

Justice Daniel Moore sentenced each of them Monday to five years in jail and potential jail time of another five years each if they do not pay their $12.2 million fines within a decade of getting out of jail, according to the reasons for sentence.

Their legal counsel told CBC News Monday they have appealed the verdict.
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Old Posted Feb 2, 2026, 9:38 PM
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I always wondered as well if it would have succeeded if it went the way of D-Condos. (Is 390 River considered a success? I've heard mixed reviews of the building)
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I'm impressed with that tough sentence! I expect the sentence will be reduced on appeal considering the mitigating factors mentioned in the article. That, and the fact that the criminal law rarely punishes white collar, financial criminals seriously. But hey, I'll take this as a momentary win for the little guys who got ripped off!
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That one time when they came into the SkyCity thread saying that everything is still a go.

Man, we all laughed and laughed.

Glad this is at the end of the road for them.
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The biggest tell their proposal may have been a scam was how vocal they were that it would the full line grocery store from a major player. When I challenged them to drop names they never could.

As I have long shared here there is near zero chance a major player in the grocery spaces opens a full line store in downtown Winnipeg. The lease cost would need to be less than free to even make it happen and reality is no one has put money on a table to make that actually happen.
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2026, 10:08 PM
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I remember they had an event down at the site, or somewhere close to there. And Jawad said "This thing WILL get built!".

Saying things like that really leads to credibility problems. Like won't every thing you're doing get built? Isn't that always the plan?
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That one time when they came into the SkyCity thread saying that everything is still a go.

Man, we all laughed and laughed.

Glad this is at the end of the road for them.

IIRC, there was a certain poster who was the main cheerleader for SkyCity Centre. However, he then had his doubts, before returning to cheer-leading for the project. I'll have to look through the thread when I have time, to mention his user name.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2026, 5:16 PM
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I still wish that it had been built. Too bad, honestly was a great gap filler and had some architectural intrigue.

Sigh
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