YVR & Sea Island Developments Discussion II

[Zmonkey]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

If the ME3 (or one thereof) get daily out of YVR, shouldn't TK get the same?? They (TK) asked for 5x/week at the outset and got kicked back to 3x/wk (and more out of SEA) then they have a valid complaint, IMHO. Transport Canada has something up its ass and it's uptight and problematic.

UAE, Saudi and Qatar can offer large capital investments into Canada. Turkey cannot. That is why this is happening, Canada is aiming for new direct foreign investment partners, new trade etc.

Saudi Arabia for example has teams looking at car plants in Ontario and food agri business for investment potential.

The should is irrelevant. Its whats being offered.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by msmariner

The flights used to happen from YYC. Used to have regular Korean 747’s loading live horses heading to Japan. They have stopped those flights. Probably because of the heat of the bad press

"That's the problem. We only wanna save the cute animals..."

https://youtu.be/IZBAtd9rty8

[twoNeurons]

Does anyone know if Vancouver has considered reserved rights to any regional airport codes to put YVR/YXX into one group. YVA (Vancouver Area) is taken, but YVX has a nice ring to it.

I know YXX is a bit far from downtown Vancouver, but it's pretty convenient south of the Fraser.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Does anyone know if Vancouver has considered reserved rights to any regional airport codes to put YVR/YXX into one group. YVA (Vancouver Area) is taken, but YVX has a nice ring to it.

I know YXX is a bit far from downtown Vancouver, but it's pretty convenient south of the Fraser.

That is an idea! May I say that whereas it makes a lot of sense in a schematic way, other cities with two airports keep their airport codes individually. Ex: SFO & OAK, LHR & LGW, CDG & ORY.
There is YTO, but that means Billy Bishop and Pearson as a group. Pearson is still YYZ, Biily Bishop still YTZ. No doubt there is a technical reason for this assigning each aiport a code.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

That is an idea! May I say that whereas it makes a lot of sense in a schematic way, other cities with two airports keep their airport codes individually. Ex: SFO & OAK, LHR & LGW, CDG & ORY.
There is YTO, but that means Billy Bishop and Pearson as a group. Pearson is still YYZ, Biily Bishop still YTZ. No doubt there is a technical reason for this assigning each aiport a code.

YVR and YXX would obviously have to keep their airport codes, but I'm talking about a regional code.

Examples include:
YTO(YYZ,YTZ)
YMQ(YUL, YHU, YMX) Rarely used now that Mirabel isn't used, but with the up and coming YHU, perhaps more useful.
SEL(ICN, GMP) Seoul
TYO(NRT,HND) Tokyo
LON(LHR,LGW,LCY,STN,LTN,SEN) (I'd argue a few shouldn't be included)
PAR(CDG,ORY)

In some ways YVR, YXX serve two different markets as YXX still is pretty far away, but I think the two airports will always function as a region and perhaps moreso as time goes on.

On another note, the FVX #66 bus is apparently a super popular bus. I wonder if there will be a market for a bus to YXX once the Surrey SkyTrain opens up. The bus service in Abbotsford is horrible, bu especially its bus to the airport. Doesn't drop you off anywhere near the terminal, which is ridiculous.

[nname]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

YVR and YXX would obviously have to keep their airport codes, but I'm talking about a regional code.

Examples include:
YTO(YYZ,YTZ)
YMQ(YUL, YHU, YMX) Rarely used now that Mirabel isn't used, but with the up and coming YHU, perhaps more useful.
SEL(ICN, GMP) Seoul
TYO(NRT,HND) Tokyo
LON(LHR,LGW,LCY,STN,LTN,SEN) (I'd argue a few shouldn't be included)
PAR(CDG,ORY)

In some ways YVR, YXX serve two different markets as YXX still is pretty far away, but I think the two airports will always function as a region and perhaps moreso as time goes on.

On another note, the FVX #66 bus is apparently a super popular bus. I wonder if there will be a market for a bus to YXX once the Surrey SkyTrain opens up. The bus service in Abbotsford is horrible, bu especially its bus to the airport. Doesn't drop you off anywhere near the terminal, which is ridiculous.

There's also YEA that's basically only include YEG right now.

If Vancouver going to get a metro code, it's more likely to include CXH rather than YXX. Even YDT, YPK, YLY are closer to YXX and they do receive scheduled service on/off...

[EDIT]
SY and G4 announced merger earlier this week. So if the merger go through, then this summer will likely be the last season we see SY metal at YVR.

So for S27 when both airlines fully merged, would we see G4 flying to YVR, perhaps adding new flights from other bases? Or they will they pull out of YVR instead?

[nname]

Originally Posted by nname

The AC new 7M8 Rouge now appears in timetable from today's update. Flight number now extended to the 2xxx range.

CUN AC2128 eff. Mar 19
YEG AC2074/76/78 eff. Mar 5
HUX AC2288 on Apr 12
YLW AC1922/24 eff. Mar 5
LAS AC1772 eff. Apr 17
LAX AC1742/46/50 eff. Apr 19
MEX AC2096 eff. Apr 26
MIA AC1754 eff. Apr 15
PVR AC2132 eff. Apr 2
SJD AC2136 eff. Apr 13

For most of the route, the Rouged 7M8 will be operating along side with non-Rouged 7M8, even on the same day

Summer schedule not yet updated, but looking at my previous post, looks like the two MAX rotation (MIA/CUN/PVR/YQB) will be Rouged, as well as anything that specifically mentioned as 7M8 from the post.

Adding 2 routes being Rouged at the very end of the season:

PSP AC1776 on Apr 26, 27, 29, 30
PHX AC1770 on Apr 19, 22-24, 26-30



Also, according to aeroroute, FI will use A321LR for YVR-KEF starting Jan 2027
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/260114-fijan27yvr

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

Also, according to aeroroute, FI will use A321LR for YVR-KEF starting Jan 2027
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/260114-fijan27yvr

That’s a decent little bump in capacity for J and Y from the current 7M8s on the route. Even more seats than their 757s that they’re replacing. Their 321s look very sleek!

[xd_1771]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

In some ways YVR, YXX serve two different markets as YXX still is pretty far away, but I think the two airports will always function as a region and perhaps moreso as time goes on.

On another note, the FVX #66 bus is apparently a super popular bus. I wonder if there will be a market for a bus to YXX once the Surrey SkyTrain opens up. The bus service in Abbotsford is horrible, bu especially its bus to the airport. Doesn't drop you off anywhere near the terminal, which is ridiculous.

I recently read the CFTV official plan, and unfortunately goes in a bit of a different direction: the 21 from Aldergrove is expected to be straightened and extended but to the Montrose exchange in city centre, which means the current (indirect) connection to YXX from Aldergrove will actually be lost. However, a new bus route (17) will connect directly to the YXX passenger terminal from an upgraded High Street bus exchange, from where transfer will be possible to either the 66 FVX or 21.

It is looking like the 21 will still only go to Aldergrove and there is no formal short-range plan to extend it to Langley City Centre Station, but such a route was on previous planning documents from the 2010s.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by nname

Also, according to aeroroute, FI will use A321LR for YVR-KEF starting Jan 2027
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/260114-fijan27yvr

Not surprised.

FI is probably leaving seats open on KEF-YVR in winter on the Max 8. The 321LR, with an extra 500nm range, takes care of that problem.

[VancityAvgeek33]

Canada and China just announced a new deal with lower tariffs. Do we think we can expect more flights opening up between the two countries?

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by VancityAvgeek33

Canada and China just announced a new deal with lower tariffs. Do we think we can expect more flights opening up between the two countries?

Expanding the ATA (air transport agreement) wasn’t on the agenda this time it seems. There were some improvements in the travel sector though. Canadians will be able to go to China visa free.

https://www.international.gc.ca/news-nouvelles/2026/2026-01-16-china-chine.aspx?lang=eng

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releas...forges-new-strategic-partnership-peoples

As for the ATA, it might be looked at in the near future, based on the following sentence from that first link.

Canada and China have also agreed to continue work in coming months on additional trade irritants of economic importance.

[thenoflyzone]

Speaking of expanding ATA's....

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-greenland-carney-trump-tariffs-9.7050435

Qatar and Canada's major projects

During the press conference, Carney said that Qatar has committed to "significant strategic investments" for Canada's major building projects.

That capital will get projects built faster, "supercharge" energy industries and create jobs for Canadians, he added.

Calling it a "new chapter" in bilateral relations, Carney said the two countries will also strengthen "people-to-people" cultural ties, which will include expanding direct flights from Canada to Qatar to boost tourism and business.

More details to follow, I'm sure.

[VancityAvgeek33]

Damn Westjet are launching Calgary to São Paulo- I wonder if air Canada will announce Vancouver to São Paulo to get back at them like they did when Westjet added rdu?

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by VancityAvgeek33

Damn Westjet are launching Calgary to São Paulo- I wonder if air Canada will announce Vancouver to São Paulo to get back at them like they did when Westjet added rdu?

Lol, just like when they responded to Rome? Or Paris Or Barcelona? Or Edinburgh?

Not a chance do AC respond. They are fine to cede everything except Asia in Western Canada to Westjet.

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Lol, just like when they responded to Rome? Or Paris Or Barcelona? Or Edinburgh?

Not a chance do AC respond. They are fine to cede everything except Asia in Western Canada to Westjet.

We will see. Significant fleet growth is starting.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by VancityAvgeek33

Damn Westjet are launching Calgary to São Paulo- I wonder if air Canada will announce Vancouver to São Paulo to get back at them like they did when Westjet added rdu?

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Lol, just like when they responded to Rome? Or Paris Or Barcelona? Or Edinburgh?

Not a chance do AC respond. They are fine to cede everything except Asia in Western Canada to Westjet.

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

We will see. Significant fleet growth is starting.

Is there any chance WS might try YVR <> GRU? (seeing as how AC will not) ... or ... would LATAM Brasil be interested? Such a route would be a major breakthrough for YVR.

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Lol, just like when they responded to Rome? Or Paris Or Barcelona? Or Edinburgh?

Not a chance do AC respond. They are fine to cede everything except Asia in Western Canada to Westjet.

Not transborder though. Just last year alone AC launched BNA, RDU, and TPA just to go after WS.

We'll see what happens for W26, since they will have some slacks in the widebody fleet after converting some routes to the XLR, which will free up quite a few planes for long haul expansion.

[ninjakafi_81]

It may not be something fancy as a new flight to Sao Paulo but it looks like ANA will resume 1x daily Tokyo Narita - Vancouver flights next summer in addition to their daily Tokyo Haneda flight per Aeroroutes.

ANA to resume Tokyo Narita – Vancouver flight from 05JUN26 to 31AUG26 with 1 daily flight. This is in addition to existing service from Tokyo Haneda

https://x.com/aeroroutes/status/2013491517290066023?s=20

[LeftCoaster]

Wow, that came outta nowhere. Very welcome surprise. Every ANA flight I've taken has been a treat so always nice to have some more AC competition from Star Alliance partners.

I just tried to do a dummy booking and it's not loaded yet so I wonder plane they will be sending. I'd assume another 788 or 789.

Pretty shocked they're not sending a frequency to YYZ though, very odd that Toronto remains unserved by any Japanese carrier while Vancouver is 3x daily.