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Is that so? Rents nowadays are are largely driven by supply/demand, not by the construction costs.
Well the supply if of course related to construction costs. It's not that subsidies don't lower rents they certainly do the question is just by how much and would the money be better spent elswhere.
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NCC won't pay tax-like fees for LeBreton Flats, arguing it's a park
Federal court challenge on hold as city negotiates with the Crown corporation

Elyse Skura · CBC News
Posted: Jan 08, 2025 4:00 AM EST | Last Updated: 9 hours ago


Imagine a day at the park.

Are you picturing a picnic at the soon-to-be developed downtown LeBreton Flats property?

Perhaps you're throwing a Frisbee at a lot wedged between Corkstown Road and Highway 417 — not exactly the bucolic setting young families strive to find in the city.

That's a taste of how the City of Ottawa and its mayor has framed the National Capital Commission's (NCC) decision not to make tax-like payments for 187 of its properties, which staff say could cost the capital $30 to $45 million over the next decade.

"So they're actually stealing from us now," Coun. Tim Tierney said at a technical briefing last September.

He was particularly frustrated with the idea that land being prepared for a downtown arena could be considered parkland.

"When it comes to speeding up building homes and building arenas … they're not paying market rate on that land at all. What? What's the incentive for them to get building?"

The exemption battle is just part of a struggle to reclaim lost revenue from what's called payments in lieu of taxes, or PILTs.

The city aims to close a number of purported loopholes that, if left unfilled, could see a funding gap balloon up to $445 million by 2035.

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That wedge he's talking about, I sure as hell would call it a park.

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LeBreton is actively getting redeveloped, so Tierney asking what's their incitive to redevelop? How about loads of cash from selling or leasing the land? That will bring far more to the NCC than the meager savings from having the area as a "park".

City Councillors are so concerned about this perceived unfairness, costing a whole few dozen million, yet have no issue subsidizing OSEG at a rate of half a Billion, or giving (almost exclusively Claridge) $50 million in tax breaks for moderately cheaper housing.

Beef should be with the Province who short changed us Billions in transit funding, not the Feds short changing us a few million in Pilts (and basically ARE the Ottawa economy while offering thousands of acres in parks and recreation).
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Well the supply if of course related to construction costs. It's not that subsidies don't lower rents they certainly do the question is just by how much and would the money be better spent elswhere.
I wonder how the coming Tariff Wars will affect construction costs and our housing supply?
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That wedge he's talking about, I sure as hell would call it a park.

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LeBreton is actively getting redeveloped, so Tierney asking what's their incitive to redevelop? How about loads of cash from selling or leasing the land? That will bring far more to the NCC than the meager savings from having the area as a "park".

City Councillors are so concerned about this perceived unfairness, costing a whole few dozen million, yet have no issue subsidizing OSEG at a rate of half a Billion, or giving (almost exclusively Claridge) $50 million in tax breaks for moderately cheaper housing.

Beef should be with the Province who short changed us Billions in transit funding, not the Feds short changing us a few million in Pilts (and basically ARE the Ottawa economy while offering thousands of acres in parks and recreation).
Well considering the NCC still hasn't signed the deal for LeBreton maybe Tierney is right, though really late to the party on this.

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Secondly try not to give false information, the city is paying devs to build "affordable housing" as per there definition, considering you were complaining about for reducing the amount required to be built when they were funded by new residents, is seems a little hypocritical to complain when the city finds them instead.
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City's court challenge of federal tax-like payments dismissed
Judge finds 'nothing unreasonable' in how lower payments were calculated

Elyse Skura · CBC News · Posted: Feb 20, 2025 4:33 PM EST | Last Updated: February 20


A federal court has dealt a blow to Mayor Mark Sutcliffe's Fairness for Ottawa campaign, dismissing the city's argument that it's getting shortchanged on payments for servicing tax-exempt government buildings.

The City of Ottawa applied to federal court to review the situation and side with it — restoring roughly $22 million in what are called payments in lieu of taxes or PILTs.

It said the federal government took advantage of a COVID-era provincial tax break meant to provide relief to struggling businesses.

But Justice Panagiotis Pamel found "nothing unreasonable."

Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) argued it was compelled to pay the lower amount by federal statute. It said the payments must reflect what a private property owner would be charged — and the judge agreed.

"Ottawa seems to be trying to fit a square peg into a round hole on the coattails of statutory intent and purpose," Pamel wrote in his Wednesday Federal Court decision. "The starting point should be the text of the PILT Act itself."

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Shocker. Same result in Chelsea. Hope people get fired for this waste of time.
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City of Ottawa appealing court ruling over payments in lieu of taxes
The Federal Court ruled in February that the federal government made a "reasonable" decision to pay a lower rate for PILTs on properties in the national capital.

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Published Mar 21, 2025 • Last updated 5 hours ago • 2 minute read


The City of Ottawa says it will appeal a Federal Court decision on how much money the federal government has to pay in lieu of property taxes for its various properties in the national capital.

In a memo Friday, chief financial officer Cyril Rogers said that, after consulting with lawyers, the city believed it had grounds to appeal.

“Given the financial and legal implications of the recent ruling, (the city) has taken steps to preserve its appeal rights to the Federal Court of Appeal and intends on filing an appeal by the appeal deadline of March 21,” Rogers wrote.

In February, the Federal Court sided with the federal government in its dispute with the City of Ottawa over the amount of payments in lieu of taxes (PILTs) the government should pay.

The City of Ottawa had taken Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) and Canada Post to court, claiming they owed $22 million more for PILTs for 2021 and 2022 on tax-exempt buildings.

On Feb. 19, the federal court said the federal government made a “reasonable” decision to pay a discounted rate for PILTs, which are paid instead of property tax to cover the cost of municipal services because the municipality cannot demand property taxes from another level of government.

At the time, Mayor Mark Sutcliffe called the judge’s decision “disappointing” and reiterated the city’s belief that it was being short-changed.

“(The) ruling doesn’t change the clear evidence that the federal government and its agencies have been underpaying their taxes to the City of Ottawa for years,” Sutcliffe wrote.

“I will continue to fight for our fair share and ensure the burden that has been shifted to local taxpayers is addressed.”

The matter is a pillar of the mayor’s “Fairness for Ottawa” campaign, which is seeking $100 million from the federal government to augment PILTs over the past five years and a commitment for funding over the next 10 years.

Staff previously told councillors that the city was estimating a funding shortfall of between $252 million and $445 million over the next 10 years unless the federal government changed the formula for PILTs.

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As both a taxpayer and Ottawa resident it feels as though I'm getting hosed on both ends on this case. Based off the facts involved, I don't see how the city has a leg to stand on.
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As both a taxpayer and Ottawa resident it feels as though I'm getting hosed on both ends on this case. Based off the facts involved, I don't see how the city has a leg to stand on.
Like the Indigenous cases the hope is political pressure gets the Feds to drop their case.
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This is getting really dumb. Please stop wasting our time and money on this un-winnable case (on a lot of un-winnable cases). The Feds shower the City with money in other ways that greatly compensate for this alleged "fairness" issue. Go after the Province instead.
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Baseline-Merivale Secondary Plan: https://engage.ottawa.ca/baseline-me...secondary-plan
Algonquin Station Secondary Plan Study: https://engage.ottawa.ca/algonquin-s...secondary-plan
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Algonquin Station Secondary Plan Study: https://engage.ottawa.ca/algonquin-s...secondary-plan
How about not adding another layer of useless zoning reg, that will just further impede the construction of housing in the city.

Nimbys don't need another way to say no, the official plan already exists and the new zoning bylaw will already significantly under zone the city compared to the official plan.
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Ottawa mayor opposes pay hike for councillors amid talk of raise proposals

By William Eltherington, CTV News
Published: July 23, 2025 at 4:45PM EDT


Ottawa Mayor Mark Sutcliffe says he won’t back pay raises for city councillors as some members of council mull bringing forward a motion to give them a significant salary increase.

CTV News Ottawa has learned councillors are considering several options for pay raises, where proposals could go up as high as over $18,000, from $119,654 currently to $138,000 – a 15 per cent increase.

Speaking in a media availability following the meeting, Sutcliffe said that while he respects the hard work of councillors, it would not be appropriate to consider a pay raise at this time.

“I think we need to take a look around at what’s going on in the community right now. There’s an affordability crisis, there’s the prospect of significant federal job reductions, there are lineups at food banks,” Sutcliffe said.

“I hear all the time from my colleagues on city council and from members of the community that they want to see more resources being invested in critical areas to support the most vulnerable.”

Sutcliffe added that considerations about a pay raise could impact ongoing salary negotiations with public sector unions representing city staff.

“I think it would be imposing a significant burden on the staff who are negotiating those contracts with those unions if we were to introduce for ourselves a larger than cost of living increase for our salaries,” he said.

Ottawa’s 24 city councillors each earned $119,490 in 2024 and $111,111 in 2023. Elected officials received a 2.5 per cent raise in each year of the three-year collective agreement for 2023, 2024 and 2025, tied to raises for non-unionized managers.

In January, councillors received a report conducted by consulting firm MNP that found the current renumeration rates for elected officials in Ottawa aligned with the median market rate.

“Therefore, data-driven results across comparators’ research do not indicate that a salary increase is needed presently,” the report said.

Toronto councillors voted in March to increase their salaries by 24 per cent from $137,537 to $170,588. The Ford government unfroze Ontario MPP salaries held at 116,500 since 2009 last spring. MPPs saw a nearly $41,000 raise to a total of $157,350.

Coun. Riley Brockington tells CTV News Ottawa he believes an independent assessment should be done to come up with the right figure. Brockington says outside of inflationary increases, councillors have not had an in-depth review on pay raises for members in over two decades.

“I’ve met with the mayor on a number of occasions. I floated six, seven different options for us to consider, while talking about the pros and cons of each,” he said.

“I just want something that is reasonable, that is backed up by an independent study.”

Brockington says there are different opinions on council for the process moving forward.

“The timing is also a concern but at the end of the day, what we really need is a process that council agrees with so that this does not come up every term of office for city councillors and council as a whole to deal with,” he said.

No motion on councillor pay was put forward at Wednesday’s city council meeting and it’s unclear if or when one will be.


with files from CTV News Ottawa’s Josh Pringle

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This is getting really dumb. Please stop wasting our time and money on this un-winnable case (on a lot of un-winnable cases). The Feds shower the City with money in other ways that greatly compensate for this alleged "fairness" issue. Go after the Province instead.
Or, crazy idea, stop trying to keep municipal own-source tax revenue so artificially low because people yell at you about it?
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How a changing Ottawa will change your neighbourhood library

The Ottawa Public Library's list identifies which communities need new branches and priorities around growing demand and aging facilities

Joanne Laucius, Ottawa Sun
Published Sep 09, 2025


A list of 18 branches to be built, renewed or replaced over the next 20 years will be tabled at the Ottawa Public Library board on Sept. 9.

The report attaches no cost to each project, but identifies which branches are in need of expansion due to factors such population growth and which branches need significant improvements or replacement due to age.

Some existing branches are owned by the city and some are leased. The sources of funding to build or expand also vary, from development charges in new areas to capital funding and “synergies” with other city facilities such as community centres.

If the library board approves the list, OPL staff will bring specific projects to the board for approval through the annual budget process.

Here’s the list of priorities, from the top:

The central branch at Ādisōke will open to the public in 2026, replacing the existing main branch at 120 Metcalfe St. at 37,000 sqaure feet larger than the Metcalfe branch. Ādisōke will be the home branch for Centretown, West Centretown and LeBreton, but will offer new services for library users across the city.

The Greenboro branch, which opened in 2006 and is connected to the Diane Deans Community Centre, currently sees more than 200,000 visitors a year. The OPL recommendations call for investment in the branch, including improving the entrance to enhance security, reconfiguring public areas to improve programming space and lifecycle repairs such as replacing the roof. It’s expected this work will happen in 2026-27.

Old Hunt Club has about 19,000 residents in an area expected to grow by five per cent over the next five years. The area, currently served by the Hunt Club and Bayview bookmobile stops, is considered to have a “legacy” gap” for library services.

The project was previously fifth on the priority list, but has moved up to third spot. OPL will have to use capital funds for this project, because there are no development charges available for growth, said the report. The recommendation is for the project to be carried out in the next five years, using a leased approach.

The Elmvale Acres branch has seen increased visits since the end of the pandemic and serves a population of 28,000. It’s on a leased site with an agreement that ends in 2027, but it’s considered an ideal location. The report recommends exploring opportunities to expand the branch.

The Sunnyside branch, built in 1951, serves 200,000 visitors a year and is under consideration for renewal, redevelopment or relocation. The building needs lifecycle repairs, including a new roof and window and roof replacement. Exterior work is slated to start in 2027, but OPL staff are exploring relocating or redeveloping in the longer term.

The Riverside South branch, approved in 2022, is currently in design development, along with the Riverside South Community Centre and and Core District Park. The city is working through land and planning approvals. The design phase is expected to last until late 2026, with construction slated to begin in the spiring of 2027. It is being funded mostly through development charges and staff are exploring the feasibility of designing the facility to meet net zero requirements.

The library board approved a plan to go ahead wth a new Barrhaven branch in 2022 to replace the Ruth E. Dickinson branch, which is located in the Walter Baker Sports Centre. The new facility, slated to open early in 2030, will include a 30,000-square-foot district library branch, a seniors’ centre, theatre and urban park.

Conceptual designs are to be presented to the public later this year, and OPL expects a design team will be hired by the end of the year. It will be funded through a combination of development charges and an Investing in Canada Infrastructure grant.

Meanwhile, decommissioning the Ruth E. Dickinson branch will create a new gap, considering the growth of Barrhaven, said the report. OPL staff are recommending a feasibility study to keep a reduced presence in the current location.

The Richmond branch serves a community of 13,000 that is expected to double by 2036. The lower level of the branch is currently not accessible because it doesn’t have an elevator. The building is in good condition, but it doesn’t serve the current or future needs of the community, said the report. OPL staff are recommending that the branch be redeveloped and increased in size.

The Centennial branch needs significant repairs and renovations, said the report. Accessibility in washrooms is limited and the interior needs to be modernized. The building is on the city’s heritage register and is under designation reviews. OPL staff are recommending that the branch be redeveloped.

The need for a 7,500-square-foot east urban branch for the growing communities of Orléans and Cumberland was identified in 2016. Since then, the neighbourhoods of Portobello South and Chapel Hill South have grown to a combined 44,500 people, with a need for a branch twice that size. OPL is investigating co-locating with city partners on existing city land.

The Vanier branch, at 6,209 square feet, is located on two floors of a heritage site and serves a population of more than 12,000 people. The branch has been upgraded in the past 15 years, including an elevator, but it also needs more improvements. OPL staff recommend that the facility be renewed in the next 10 years.

The Carp branch first opened in 1997 as the West Carleton Public Library. Carp has a current population of 6,800 and is expected to grow to almost 18,000 over the next 15 years. OPL staff recommend investing in the existing infrastructure and renewing the facility in the next 10 years.

Findlay Creek currently has almost 15,000 residents and is expected to grow by 45 per cent over the next decade. It’s first on OPL’s priority list of neighbourhood gaps. OPL is exploring the feasibility of co-locating with city partners and redeveloping city-owned land to build a 15,000-square-foot branch with a community centre. The project is targeted for completion in the next 10 years and will be funded through development charges.

OPL is considering relocating or redeveloping the Carlingwood branch. The location is “operationally challenging as it is a three-level facility and requires significant mechanical and electrical upgrades due to the systems being dated and noncompliant with current sustainability goals,” said the report. The neighbourhood is expected to grow by 30 per cent over the next 20 years, and LRT expansion is expected to add more foot traffic to the branch.

The Bayshore and Britannia area, with a combined population of 22,000 residents, is also considered to be a “legacy gap” for library services and has been identified as a high priority. Current options include partnering with other organizations and leasing.

The Emerald Plaza branch in Nepean has 10,367 square feet of space in a leased facility and sees 135,000 visitors a year. The most recent expansion into an adjacent unit happened in 2013.

The lease expires in March 2028 and OPL staff have recommended entering into a new lease agreement. Meanwhile, the city has started a secondary plan review of the Baseline-Merivale corridor, where the branch is located. There may be changes as a result.

Vars is a community of just over 3,000 people southeast of Orléans. The population isn’t expected to grow by very much, but OPL has recommended a new facility development in the next 20 years to “foster OPL’s commitment to rural communities and expand library services in these communities.”

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Federal Court dismisses City of Ottawa appeal over payments in lieu of taxes
Mayor Mark Sutcliffe had argued the federal government underpaid the city for its buildings.

By Aedan Helmer, Ottawa Citizen
Published Jan 15, 2026 | Last updated 1 hour ago


The City of Ottawa has lost its Federal Court appeal over how much money is owed to the municipality in lieu of property taxes on federally-owned properties around the national capital.

The Federal Court sided with the federal government in a dispute over the amount of payments in lieu of taxes (PILTs) the government should pay to the city.

The court ruled in February 2025 that the federal government made a “reasonable” decision to pay a discounted rate for PILTs, which are paid instead of property tax to cover the cost of municipal services because the city cannot collect property taxes from another level of government.

Mayor Mark Sutcliffe called the judge’s decision “disappointing” at the time and said there was “clear evidence that the federal government and its agencies have been underpaying their taxes to the City of Ottawa for years.”

The city’s legal team appealed the Federal Court decision in March 2025. The court dismissed the appeal after hearing arguments on Jan. 12.

The appeal challenged the federal government’s reliance on rate reduction for the provincial government in business education taxes — which are implemented for business taxpayers — as a basis for reducing its overall PILT obligations to the City of Ottawa.

The federal government’s “interpretation has resulted in a reduction to PILT revenues of approximately $11.5 million annually, beginning in 2021,” according to a memo from interim city solicitor Stuart Huxley.

That equates to a total revenue reduction of $58 million from 2021 to 2025, though $35 million of that has been offset through provincial one-time funding.

The remaining $23 million to date represents “foregone revenues” for the city,” Huxley wrote in a Jan. 15 memo.

The city’s base budgets have been adjusted since 2024 to reflect the reduced PILT revenues and there is no impact to existing approved base budgets, Huxley wrote.

The city’s appeal was dismissed in a ruling that found the original trial court’s findings were reasonable. City staff and external legal counsel will conduct a “detailed review” of the written decision and the reasons for dismissing the appeal “to determine whether any further recourse is advisable,” Huxley wrote.

The city was ordered to pay $5,000 in legal costs to both the federal government and Canada Post.

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