1166 West Pender | 49fl | Proposed - Page 6

phesto · #**101** Posted **Feb 20, 2024, 4:08 PM**

If the City of Vancouver really wants to encourage more hotel development they could scrap the shadow restriction on Harbour Green Park and allow a 50+ storey hotel development on this site.

Changing City · #**102** Posted **Feb 20, 2024, 4:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by phesto

If the City of Vancouver really wants to encourage more hotel development they could scrap the shadow restriction on Harbour Green Park and allow a 50+ storey hotel development on this site.

If City Council want to allow Harbour Green Park to be compromised more by allowing it to be shadowed even more, then that's a decision they should make. It shouldn't be tied to any specific project. There's no guarantee that the development would actually be built as a hotel, another proposal could then be made for a different 50+ storey building. And it would presumably also apply, as a policy, to other sites that could be redeveloped that would also potentially shadow the park.

osirisboy · #**103** Posted **Feb 20, 2024, 4:59 PM**

I don’t get why having something provide shade in a park is a bad thing.

connect2source · #**104** Posted **Feb 20, 2024, 5:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by osirisboy

I don’t get why having something provide shade in a park is a bad thing.

As a Coal Harbour resident, it's quite cold and shady here most of the time, we get almost no direct light on our streets even during the summer months. Harbour Green Park is a respite for this and I enjoy the sun we do get down there in the summer. Most other times of the year we have to head over the English Bay to enjoy some much needed sun and vitamin D.

The park itself enjoys shade from tons of trees that are now 20+ years old and becoming mature and quite large, we don't need more shadows from buildings directly over the park.

trofirhen · #**105** Posted **Feb 20, 2024, 10:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by osirisboy

I don’t get why having something provide shade in a park is a bad thing.

I think that a lot of that has to do with Vancouver's climate. In a grey-sky city like hours, people look for all the sunshine they can get. If we had the climate of Phoenix or Dallas, this would be much different.

officedweller · #**106** Posted **Feb 21, 2024, 1:46 AM**

In the case of Harbour Green Park, it's just in a bad location for a park to get sunshine.
Having it directly north of the CBD isn't the optimal place for a park wanting sunlight.
But there is Stanley Park and Devonian Park nearby.

I agree that it's cold and shaded there, and that's one of the reasons that parkland is not as successful as the Concord Lands' parks, where they have southern exposure.

jollyburger · #**107** Posted **Feb 21, 2024, 1:49 AM**

They should build a public park on top of a 50 storey hotel

FarmerHaight · #**108** Posted **Feb 21, 2024, 4:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

In the case of Harbour Green Park, it's just in a bad location for a park to get sunshine.
Having it directly north of the CBD isn't the optimal place for a park wanting sunlight.
But there is Stanley Park and Devonian Park nearby.

I agree that it's cold and shaded there, and that's one of the reasons that parkland is not as successful as the Concord Lands' parks, where they have southern exposure.

From my experience Harbour Green Park is quite successful. Little kids on warm days don't care if the spray park is in the shade or not. And the park has the only large lawn close to the CBD, so it is often full of picnic blankets in the summer. The benches along the Seawall are also a great place to watch seaplanes land and take off, or to gaze at the mountains, or to watch watercraft. The park is also very peaceful at night when the tourist and office worker crowds have disappeared and the lack of nearby roads means there are no sounds aside from the waves, birds, and infrequent passerby. I regularly walk in this park and it feels uniquely like an urban oasis, especially during hot summer days, in a way the homogenous False Creek parks are not.

jollyburger · #**109** Posted **Mar 13, 2024, 12:02 AM**

Some more demo photos

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/adb-e...member_desktop

gaviscon · #**110** Posted **Mar 13, 2024, 12:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

Some more demo photos

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/adb-e...member_desktop

Are they still going with the proposed design?

jollyburger · #**111** Posted **Mar 13, 2024, 12:43 AM**

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Are they still going with the proposed design?

The last inspection report mentions a revision is being prepared and the project is on hold.

mcminsen · #**112** Posted **Jul 30, 2024, 5:47 AM**

July 28 '24, my pics

jollyburger · #**113** Posted **Dec 10, 2024, 5:29 AM**

They just got a permit to install new hoarding? The Dec 4 site inspection still says the project is on hold.

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Temporary Street Occupancy Permit TO-2024-06413Issued

Application Date: Oct, 16, 2024

Issue Date: Nov 12, 2024

Completed Date:

Details

Work Description: *No Signage Required

Permission to install and 10' - 8" x 95' of structural hoarding over City sidewalk along 1100 block of W Pender. All hoarding to maintain a min. 5' of pedestrian access and be a min' 2' back from curb. Hoarding to have two openings into the street.

Effective dates: Oct 17, 2024 to Sept 30, 2025

Permit Purpose: Construction

Full/Part Time:

Short/Long Term:

Additional Signage Required: No

Start Date: Oct 17, 2024

End Date: Sep 30, 2025

Utility Company: No

jollyburger · #**114** Posted **Jul 31, 2025, 4:00 PM**

The electrical permit says Hines is the new owner for 1166 West Pender. Not sure if that's 100% confirmation that Reliance is out or not.

https://plposweb.vancouver.ca/Public...ctId=268071876

Their building permit got extended 6 months on July 3rd. There's a BP revision in review for the shoring.

Changing City · #**115** Posted **Jul 31, 2025, 6:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

The electrical permit says Hines is the new owner for 1166 West Pender. Not sure if that's 100% confirmation that Reliance is out or not.

https://plposweb.vancouver.ca/Public...ctId=268071876

Their building permit got extended 6 months on July 3rd. There's a BP revision in review for the shoring.

The building website still shows both Hines and Reliance as partners in the project, for what that's worth.

jollyburger · #**116** Posted **Jul 31, 2025, 6:33 PM**

Some of the older electrical permits states "Uploading Encumbrances on Title and Easement Agreement" so I guess that's why the change in owner might be specified.

Just noticed CityHallWatch found a temporary community garden on the site

https://cityhallwatch.wordpress.com/...-1166w-pender/

trofirhen · #**117** Posted **Aug 1, 2025, 10:57 AM**

I think this is a building that will make a nice addition to Pender St. If only it could be five or six floors higher, especially that the design is respectfully staggered back, that is stepped back on the top 10 floors or so. // Nevertheless (though perhaps with an ironic sigh about the viewcones and the building height), this one should be one to look forward to.
Back on page 3 of this thread are a lot of renderings. // I find it a bit inspirational to look at them again.

jollyburger · #**118** Posted **Aug 1, 2025, 3:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I think this is a building that will make a nice addition to Pender St. If only it could be five or six floors higher, especially that the design is respectfully staggered back, that is stepped back on the top 10 floors or so. // Nevertheless (though perhaps with an ironic sigh about the viewcones and the building height), this one should be one to look forward to.
Back on page 3 of this thread are a lot of renderings. // I find it a bit inspirational to look at them again.

Sort of pertinent to Reliance's property on sale on the opposite side of Melville but the 2019 UDP said the building is sculpted to respect shadowing on the parks/public spaces.

https://vancouver.ca/files/cov/udpminutes02062019.pdf

jollyburger · #**119** Posted **Sep 4, 2025, 2:50 AM**

Photos of the community garden. They even have planters setup in the bottom level.

https://www.communitygardenbuilders....mmunity-garden

madog222 · #**120** Posted **Dec 10, 2025, 2:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by phesto

If the City of Vancouver really wants to encourage more hotel development they could scrap the shadow restriction on Harbour Green Park and allow a 50+ storey hotel development on this site.

Well that was eerily accurate.

Here’s our 49 storey hotel proposal:

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amend CD-1 (833) for 1166 West Pender Street to permit the development of a 49-storey mixed-use building with hotel and residential uses under the recently approved Hotel Development Policy and amended Central Business District (CBD) and CBD Shoulder Rezoning Policy.

https://plposweb.vancouver.ca/Public...ctId=279492984

Submitted by Relliance so they are still involved.