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[NYguy]

SL Green shared some info and thinking behind the upcoming 346 Madison Avenue. The design is in development, but I'm excited that it will at least have a crown at the top.



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[ChiND]

I agree re: the sculpted crown. That sounds promising.

Also, it looks to be at least 1,000 feet tall.

What intrigues me most is an indication that 400-410 Park will be redeveloped.

[The New York Lion]

Now add the following to the rendering . . .

175 Park
250 Park
3 East 54th

and eventually 335 Madison

[NYguy]

^ They obviously didnt add 175 Park because it would ruin the graphic.

[The New York Lion]

Originally Posted by NYguy

^ They obviously didnt add 175 Park because it would ruin the graphic.

Also possible that they didn't add it because it's mixed use instead of purely office.

[ChiND]

I’m looking at this further. 346 is across the street from 343, and yet it looks far taller. Could it be around 1,100 feet tall? I think it’s possible if it has a substantial crown. Also, in order to have a crown, the tower must taper significantly as it rises because while the plot is very rectangular.



Also, Entry No. 32 in this thread, which NYGuy posted states:

Proposed Project and With-Action Condition As mentioned above, the Proposed Action would permit the redevelopment of the Project Site with the Proposed Project new, approximately 1,050-foot tall commercial office and retail building (up to 1,080 feet including the bulkhead). The building would have a total floor area of 925,630 gsf (753,152 zsf)…

[The New York Lion]

So potentially another supertall for the world capital.

Thank you, ChiND.

We are inching closer towards my goal of 100 supertalls.

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by The New York Lion

So potentially another supertall for the world capital.

Thank you, ChiND.

We are inching closer towards my goal of 100 supertalls.

This is the Age, my good man!

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by ChiND

I agree re: the sculpted crown. That sounds promising.

Also, it looks to be at least 1,000 feet tall.

What intrigues me most is an indication that 400-410 Park will be redeveloped.

Yes, this looks very promising. Hopefully we're getting a supertall with architectural flair.

And I'm not surprised 400-410 Park will be redeveloped. That banal block needs to go. Hopefully another very tall, landmark-quality tower.

[TKD]

Originally Posted by ChiND

I’m looking at this further. 346 is across the street from 343, and yet it looks far taller. Could it be around 1,100 feet tall? I think it’s possible if it has a substantial crown. Also, in order to have a crown, the tower must taper significantly as it rises because while the plot is

Also, Entry No. 32 in this thread, which NYGuy posted states:

The quote from NYguy was referencing the parameters of 343 Madison, not 346.

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by TKD

The quote from NYguy was referencing tge parameters of 343 Madison, not 346.

Thanks. I appreciate the clarification.

Do you think that this tower will be in the 800 to 900 foot tall range? It seems that an ornate crown could add significant height, though I care far more about the height than the design, particularly since two beautiful buildings will be razed.

Lastly with respect to the possibility of SLG acquiring RFR's adjacent tower, 350 Madison, does anyone know how many tenants 350 has? I assume that it has tenants that would have to be bought out even if SLG acquired it.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by ChiND

I’m looking at this further. 346 is across the street from 343, and yet it looks far taller. Could it be around 1,100 feet tall? I think it’s possible if it has a substantial crown. Also, in order to have a crown, the tower must taper significantly as it rises because while the plot is very rectangular.

The tower hasn’t been designed yet. It’s possible it could be taller than 343 Madison, but both height and design remain to be seen. It will have dedicated elevators to take people up the the public space at the top, which is a good thing.

[ChiND]

Thanks. Assuming that SLG does not acquire 350, this will be a wide but shallow tower. It must taper a lot as it rises if there’s going to be a crown. This could turn out to be a landmark tower.

[TKD]

Originally Posted by ChiND

Thanks. Assuming that SLG does not acquire 350, this will be a wide but shallow tower. It must taper a lot as it rises if there’s going to be a crown. This could turn out to be a landmark tower.

The top of any building can be regarded as a crown regardless of form, it doesn't need to taper a lot for the top to be considered a crown. If there is a public space at the top it wouldnt make sense for it to taper so much because there wouldnt be any room for the aforementioned public/cultural space.

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by TKD

The top of any building can be regarded as a crown regardless of form, it doesn't need to taper a lot for the top to be considered a crown. If there is a public space at the top it wouldnt make sense for it to taper so much because there wouldnt be any room for the aforementioned public/cultural space.

Yes, but the promotional materials state:

TOP OF BUILDING: A sculpted crown to echo the refined and
harmonious taper of OVA

The public space could be below any tapered crown.

[TKD]

Originally Posted by ChiND

The promotional materials state:



The public space could be below any tapered crown.

The public space is also at the top of the building as stated right below the aforementioned piece of information, it could be in the crown. It just says a sculpted crown, that doesn't necessarily mean/equal tapered.

Regardless, the building doesn't have to taper alot for there to be a crown, that's my main point.

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by TKD

The public space is also at the top of the building as stated right below the aforementioned piece of information, it could be in the crown. It just says a sculpted crown, that doesn't necessarily mean/equal tapered.

Regardless, the building doesn't have to taper alot for there to be a crown, that's my main point.

You're the architect, so I'll defer to you on this. I hope that this doesn't turn out to be another box, but I'm hopeful that it won't.

I'd love to see a crown like the one on this tower in Atlanta.


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[Crawford]

Will the public space at the top be an observation deck?

I know the Summit at 1 Vanderbilt is extremely popular, so maybe SL Green wants an additional observatory in the area?

SL Green will also be building a Summit Times Square at 1515 Broadway. The whole building will be redeveloped. There's even a proposal for a Times Square area High Line-type attraction.

https://www.costar.com/article/192774308...mes-square-office-tower-without-a-casino

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Will the public space at the top be an observation deck?

I know the Summit at 1 Vanderbilt is extremely popular, so maybe SL Green wants an additional observatory in the area?

SL Green will also be building a Summit Times Square at 1515 Broadway. The whole building will be redeveloped. There's even a proposal for a Times Square area High Line-type attraction.

https://www.costar.com/article/192774308...mes-square-office-tower-without-a-casino

They’re planning ”Summits” around the world now. Doubt they woukd put one here, with 2 others in Midtown.

[NYguy]

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