Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Ya it's going to be super embarrassing for Toronto when the entire planet sees Toronto next year.

I'm not worried about a seven second overhead shot and a stadium that will have a full crowd to hide any aesthetic issues.

What will embarrass Toronto and what will be unforgivable is if we play Italy and the crowd is cheering for them. That would be the total embarrassment not a stadium.

[Djeffery]

Arash Madani hasn't worked for SN for the last year or so. He was actually sideline reporting for CBC during the Vanier Cup

[EpicPonyTime]

Originally Posted by elly63

I'm not worried about a seven second overhead shot and a stadium that will have a full crowd to hide any aesthetic issues.

What will embarrass Toronto and what will be unforgivable is if we play Italy and the crowd is cheering for them. That would be the total embarrassment not a stadium.

Isn’t Canada playing in Vancouver?

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by EpicPonyTime

Isn’t Canada playing in Vancouver?

First game against the winner of the European playoff, which is widely expected or hoped to be Italy, is in Toronto on June 12

[craner]

Originally Posted by cjones2451

Lots of work being done on BMO, both permanent and temp seats




Photos from Urban Toronto on X

Looks like they are permanently connecting the concourses on each side - that’s a good thing.

Did BMO have to get rid of the white maple leaf in the seating pattern for the WC or has that been gone for a while ?

[EpicPonyTime]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

First game against the winner of the European playoff, which is widely expected or hoped to be Italy, is in Toronto on June 12

I suppose that makes more sense than having them play in a single city, thanks.

[logan5]

Been a long time since a major venue has been built in Canada, but it looks like the Whitecaps are getting closer to building a soccer specific stadium at the Hastings Race Course grounds at the PNE, likely to be in the 25 000 to 30 000 range.

The Whitecaps ownership is going to present a preliminary plan to Vancouver City Council to build a stadium, as well as residential developments. I hope the City is open to this, because the extra money generated by residential development makes a stadium a lot more financially feasible.

Not a great spot for transit, but it would have spectacular views of the mountains, and some water views, and quite a few other attractions, currently and in the future. The native band that owns the casino there would likely end up building a major new casino. Hope this comes to fruition.

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by logan5

...Not a great spot for transit, but it would have spectacular views of the mountains, and some water views, and quite a few other attractions, currently and in the future...

Not yet, but by the time a stadium gets built, the R2 express bus will be extended from North Vancouver to central Burnaby. This will provide direct connections to the Expo and Millennium SkyTrain lines, as well as to North and West Vancouver. Eventually, the proposed North Shore rapid transit connection (either SkyTrain or BRT) will also pass through that area.

[ericmacm]

Originally Posted by logan5

Been a long time since a major venue has been built in Canada, but it looks like the Whitecaps are getting closer to building a soccer specific stadium at the Hastings Race Course grounds at the PNE, likely to be in the 25 000 to 30 000 range.

The Whitecaps ownership is going to present a preliminary plan to Vancouver City Council to build a stadium, as well as residential developments. I hope the City is open to this, because the extra money generated by residential development makes a stadium a lot more financially feasible.

Not a great spot for transit, but it would have spectacular views of the mountains, and some water views, and quite a few other attractions, currently and in the future. The native band that owns the casino there would likely end up building a major new casino. Hope this comes to fruition.

I saw that Hastings Racecourse just announced it was permanently closing down, which in my view is an encouraging sign that something major is happening behind the scenes. Honestly I hope residential is not part of it. Hastings Park/PNE is a pretty small property already given how much entertainment uses are already concentrated there, I think there is lots of benefit to keeping it park or entertainment use-only. This will probably be a good opportunity to bring the Playland expansion back into the discussion along with the potential new stadium and casino.

[J.OT13]

Not a fan of building a new stadium when one already exists, but if it speeds up the timeline for the E. Hastings Skytrain, great.

I imagine BC Place is probably used pretty well outside the two sports tenants thanks to Vancouver's mild weather and the retractable roof, so losing the soccer team might not be that bad. Safe to say it's the 2nd most used stadium after the Skydome? How many events per year?

[jonny24]

Originally Posted by cjones2451

I am not saying it is perfect

This is the TV angle on the Robert Carter Jr interception, the posts are in he way on the TV angle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCL6_OLZP-I

Won't disagree on MLB, but I think football stadiums should be uniform dimensions. I am not saying what I said is right or wrong, just my thoughts on it. I want the league to grow.

Why is it NFL wannabee-ism? if the league went to 4 downs, or 11 players etc. It would kill the CFL. Why does everyone think the owners are stupid?

So increase the camera locations, don't change the sport.

Rugby has posts on the goal line, and the even come down to the ground at the goal line, and also needs replays to determine if someone scored fairly common. It's a complete non-issue, unless you're one of the many people whole thinks "if the NFL does it, it must be better".

Rugby and soccer also both allow for variations in field length, width, and goal area depth. a rugby in-goal can be 5m deep or 22m deep. So those are rectangular field sports with variation - what's so different about gridiron football that it can't?

I don't think the owners are stupid. I think the owners are unimaginative and want easy money for little cost, and I also think they think that the fans are stupid.

They claim "innovation" but every rule change was either copying the NFL rule outright, or moving towards that rule but being different enough that dishonest arguers can say "see, it's not the same".

If they actually wanted to shake things up they would look outside the gridiron world. Things like getting rid of hashmarks all together. Why wait for the ref to blow it in at all? Keep play live and just snap the ball from where you got tackled. Get rid of the concept of "ineligible receivers".

The biggest problem isn't people who are very particular about the rules of a certain version of gridiron football. The problem is the way, way more people who think that football is boring because there's 10 seconds of play followed by 30+seconds of stoppage.

People who like the NFL, watch the NFL. CFL football is already damn close to the same thing in the world of football type sports. Making it even more than same won't attract any more people. Because the people who don't watch CFL, don't watch it for other reasons, even if they claim it's the rules.

You still can't explain what's "better", and neither can the owners. If you believe their handwaving about increased scoring based on some sort of mysterious analysis, I've got a bridge to sell you.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by elly63

I've been waiting for this. I've always looked at Elbows Up like Kramer looked at being forced to wear the yellow ribbon. It's —.

Most of the people who were for these changes never were CFL fans to begin with. Does the Commissioner think these people will suddenly start watching because of these changes? It just gets the league closer to the NFL comparison wise and that's a comparison they will never win.

I have to laugh at things like Trash Madani for example, SN's designated CFL hate piece "reporter". He does an about face and comes out after the changes with an article espousing the virtue of all the changes and how great they are. Is he suddenly going to stop with his hit pieces and do some fair reporting, I don't think so.

Re: Elbows Up. I'm a Canadian patriot, I gave up Anti Americanism in high school when I realized it said more about us than them. Self righteousness and jealousy are two extremely lame traits that some Canadians have.

The very same people who were spouting Elbows Up are the same people who will go back (already have) to worshiping at the NFL altar and shitting on the CFL for just being Canadian. Nuf ced!

Didn’t the BOG made up of the owners unanimously support these changes? They have to be the biggest CFL supporters out there.. imclude me in the group that supports the changes, and I’m a CFL fan that is not a fan of American football.

65 yard wide field
15 yard end zones
3 downs
12 men
Rouge
No yards
Waggle


…. People who claim the CFL is being Americanized obviously completely forget to mention the more important differences between the games, and instead focus on the field length that now allows every stadium to be standardized, and moving of the goalposts.

The games are so obviously blatantly different that every American player coming north has to outright learn the game from almost scratch. The only thing that is now similar to them is the post are at the back of the end zone and length of field, on a field that is substantially wider, and an end zone that is 50% longer than the ones they’ve played on their entire lives.

[craner]

Originally Posted by logan5

Been a long time since a major venue has been built in Canada, but it looks like the Whitecaps are getting closer to building a soccer specific stadium at the Hastings Race Course grounds at the PNE, likely to be in the 25 000 to 30 000 range.

Depends what you consider “a long time” but the stadiums in Winnipeg, Regina & Ottawa are not that old.

[J.OT13]

Andlauer once again confirming he's not asking for public funds for the new Sens arena.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/this-...nators-andlauer-on-lebreton-flats-arena/

[logan5]

Originally Posted by craner

Depends what you consider “a long time” but the stadiums in Winnipeg, Regina & Ottawa are not that old.

I guess not that long. Just seems like there was always a major sports venue being built somewhere across Canada. Been a lull in the action.

[Paper Boy]

Originally Posted by logan5

I guess not that long. Just seems like there was always a major sports venue being built somewhere across Canada. Been a lull in the action.

Saddledome Replacement Count?

[northernlights99]

The NFL had goalposts ON the goal line up until 1974 then moved them 10 yards back.

Watch Super Bowl One. Posts on the goal line like the CFL today.

The goalpost eventually went to the slingshot design which they use today, one post in the ground curved at top holding the crossbar 10 feet high.

Why make a comparison with rugby ? Totally different sport.

In soccer the goal line is parallel with the dead end line so it makes sense to have the net on that line.

In pointy football lol, the end zone IS PART of the field so why have a goal post standing in the way of plays ?

Originally Posted by Hackslack

NBA names like, what, a few billion dollars more in revenue compared to the CFL, they obviously got a formula that works… Th CFL? They are still trying to figure out that formula, and rule changes and changes to the field dimensions are part of that.

And when was it the NBA added the three point line? — were they doing making such a drastic change??? Surely there were some negative pissed off fans too that argued against it, but look at the game and league now!?…

Almost certain too that the NFL had its posts on the goal line, but moved them to the back… wonder why they were so adamant on change? “Makes zero sense” now look at the behemoth the NFL lol

NHL trapezoid rule for foiled… two line passing allowed in NHL… pitch count in MLB… pick-off limit in MLB… new punting rule in NFL…

Like, why are people bitta so tight when CFL gets introduces change? Elbows up!!

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by Paper Boy

Saddledome Replacement Count?

Rogers Place for that matter is newer than those 3 CFL stadiums. Hopefully when it's done, Ottawa will be breaking ground. Maybe then Saskatoon will decide to build a new large arena as well.

[northernlights99]

Why do people compare the CFL field dimension changes to Rugby ?

In Rugby the end zones are 11 yards deep. NFL end zone is 10 yards deep, CFL going to 15 yards.

In Rugby there are two lower goal posts forming an H, not a slingshot as in NFL and CFL. The upper posts are 18.1 feet apart and 9.8 feet above field.

In NFL and CFL, one lower post in the ground with a curved top supporting a crossbar holding two upper posts forming a slingshot.

Upper posts are 18 feet 6 inches apart and crossbar 10 feet high, 24 feet apart for high school games to match width of soccer net.

In Rugby, the H goalposts are on the goal line and there are two posts on the ground which seems silly as it doubles the chance of a player running into a post. Padding or not !

In Toronto the end zones are only 17 yards deep cause of the design of BMO Field, in Montreal the running track cuts corners off the outside edges of the end zones. Commonwealth Stadium removed their track so its not an issue there but the sightlines are still awful.

Just cause Rugby does things oddly doesn't mean CFL has to follow.

The amount of Anti Americanism here is nauseating

[jonny24]

Originally Posted by northernlights99

Why do people compare the CFL field dimension changes to Rugby ?

Because no sport lives in a vaccuum. The changes are being pitched as way to gain fans and therefore money - in other words, to increase competitiveness with all other entertainment options.

Evaluating the merits of those changes vs. the very similar other entertainment options is a valid excercise.

If fact, you do the same thing for the rest of your post.

In Rugby the end zones are 11 yards deep.

No they aren't. So now I know you're talking out of your —.

Law. 1.3 The Ground:

Dimensions Field of play length In-goal length Width
Maximum (metres) 100 22 70
Minimum (metres) 94 6 68



Rugby League (the far less popular version) also allows a variation, of 6m to 11m. Their laws are only in PDF form so I can't post directly: link

NFL end zone is 10 yards deep, CFL going to 15 yards.

In Rugby there are two lower goal posts forming an H, not a slingshot as in NFL and CFL. The upper posts are 18.1 feet apart and 9.8 feet above field.

In NFL and CFL, one lower post in the ground with a curved top supporting a crossbar holding two upper posts forming a slingshot.

Upper posts are 18 feet 6 inches apart and crossbar 10 feet high, 24 feet apart for high school games to match width of soccer net.

In Rugby, the H goalposts are on the goal line and there are two posts on the ground which seems silly as it doubles the chance of a player running into a post. Padding or not !

In Toronto the end zones are only 17 yards deep cause of the design of BMO Field, in Montreal the running track cuts corners off the end zones. Possibly the same at Commonwealth.

Just cause Rugby does things oddly doesn't mean CFL has to follow.

I'd say it's more "odd" to have goal posts that are not on the goal line. It's logically inconsistent. That's "odd".

I've played rugby for 15 years, I can tell you first hand it's a non-issue. It's a "solution" looking for a problem, but there is no problem.

Just because the NFL does things, doesn't mean the CFL has to follow. See how that goes both ways?

The amount of Anti Americanism here is nauseating

Following on from above. It's not "Anti-Americanism", it's anti-following. Why are we following anyone at all? Why not actually innovate? The CFL used the word innovation, but nothing they suggested was innovative in the slightest.

I want us to be more unique, do our own thing like Aussie Rules and Gaelic Football.

What's nauseating are all the people who are either so uncritical in their thinking they swallowed the sales pitch whole, or the people who care so little about our game they're happy to see it get ever closer to the NFL version.

Originally Posted by hackslack

65 yard wide field
15 yard end zones
3 downs
12 men
Rouge
No yards
Waggle


…. People who claim the CFL is being Americanized obviously completely forget to mention the more important differences between the games, and instead focus on the field length that now allows every stadium to be standardized, and moving of the goalposts.

If you'd asked someone to make that list 6 months ago, 110 yard field, 20 yard end zones, and the goal post location that allows for incredible field goal returns, would have been on that list.

It's incredibly convenient that now that it's changing, people suddenly act as if those things were never mentioned.