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I've gone to eagles games in Philly. I love the location and fact all their sports are in a single spot. For football its ideal because they have some amazing space for tailgating. Serviced by metro and its just 7 stops from city hall. you can even walk to genos or pats from there albeit about 45 minutes. Its not downtown downtown but its in the city. Go to a commanders game and compare, that stadium is way out! Admittedly football may be an apples and oranges comparison to a certain degree due to the much larger crowds
If you’ve ever walked from Xfinity Mobile Arena where the Flyers play on a frigid Philadelphia night to Geno’s, I commend you. That is a solid 1 hour walk. It’s a one and a half hour walk to downtown. That’s like walking from the Sens Lebreton arena to The Trainyards, or Mooney’s Bay, or Carlingwood. Not a great walk for most people in the cold.

South Philly Sports Complex is flanked on three sides by freeways, and is adjacent to a rail yard and industrial warehouse area. Sure that makes for cheap land and loads of parking/tailgating, but that’s not what makes good urbanism and not what Ottawa needs.
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If you’ve ever walked from Xfinity Mobile Arena where the Flyers play on a frigid Philadelphia night to Geno’s, I commend you. That is a solid 1 hour walk. It’s a one and a half hour walk to downtown. That’s like walking from the Sens Lebreton arena to The Trainyards, or Mooney’s Bay, or Carlingwood. Not a great walk for most people in the cold.

South Philly Sports Complex is flanked on three sides by freeways, and is adjacent to a rail yard and industrial warehouse area. Sure that makes for cheap land and loads of parking/tailgating, but that’s not what makes good urbanism and not what Ottawa needs.
I've walked it...and I'll admit the location is gritty but its in the city and serviced by metro. I quite liked the experience from a football side of things. I agree I would not want a similar setup in Ottawa (like trainyards) for the Sens. I'm quite happy with them moving to Lebreton.
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A few news stories have come out recently. The takeaway is that the Sens will not be asking the City to contribute financially to build the arena, but may ask for some sort of PPP, similar to the Sensplex projects.

Sounds like $37 million was the purchase price for the land. The Sens were looking at two or three other sites in case LeBreton fell through.

What's more exciting for us though, is that Cyril Leeder wants to have something to show the fans by the end of the calendar year, presumably a site plan with specific uses and/or renderings.

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Ottawa Senators’ Cyril Leeder admits urgency drove LeBreton Flats deal

Leeder says the club has no expectations to have taxpayers cough up money for a new rink but is interested in a Public Private Partnership

Bruce Garrioch, Postmedia
Published Sep 04, 2025


The Senators made a significant move towards building a new arena last month when they reached an agreement for the purchase and sale of land parcels totalling approximately 11 acres at LeBreton Flats from the National Capital Commission.

Sources told Postmedia that the Senators have agreed to pay $37 million for the land, which is located just 10 minutes West of Parliament Hill. The news represented a significant, necessary step, but now the organization has some heavy lifting to do to make it a reality.

Cyril Leeder, the club’s chief executive officer and president, told Postmedia in a one-on-one interview on Media Day at the Canadian Tire Centre on Wednesday that there was urgency to get this agreement signed to see if the dream of a rink at LeBreton can be a reality.

The location is on Albert Street, between Preston and City Centre Ave.

“It’s a credit to both sides because everybody made themselves available,” Leeder said. “When people were away, they took calls, and technology helped us. The people at the NCC accommodated that because they knew there was some urgency to get this done.

“We were working with them to acquire the site. Now we’ve got to plan a development and plan an arena. That allows us to move from that acquisition phase into what it is going to look like and what the plans are going to look like.

“You couldn’t really do that in earnest until you knew you had the site.”

He stated that the organization had two other locations on its radar screen and push had to come to shove with the NCC to see if both sides could get this across the finish line so that the club could get serious about its plans for a new rink.

“We were considering other sites because it was taking so long,” Leeder said. “We had two or three sites on the go. You can’t have architects, engineers and guys doing soil testing and rink siting at each different location. You had to make your deal or not.

“It came together in the summer, but we’re happy it came together and we’re moving forward with what it’s going to look like. We’re in the planning phase right now.”

The Senators have been examining concepts internally, but they hope to unveil their intentions for the site to the public before the end of the calendar year. Leeder can’t predict when the club will put shovels in the ground because the organization “isn’t there yet.”

The club is trying to find out whether it’s realistic to have a community rink attached to the events centre, which could also serve as a practice facility for the Senators. There is a hope that there will be an Ice District with bars and restaurants, along with a hotel, plus housing.

“Is there a community rink? A hotel? Office buildings? Housing? What does the connection to the LRT look like? What are the public spaces, community spaces and public realm?” Leeder rhetorically asked.

“Those are questions that we’ve got to answer. We’re now able to get into that work, and that work has started.”

The good people of Ottawa want to know how owner Michael Andlauer and his partners plan to pay for a rink that will exceed the $1-billion mark.

Leeder said that Andlauer and the Senators have no desire to have the taxpayers fund a new arena. They understand there’s no appetite for that to happen, but they do believe there is room for negotiation with Mayor Mark Sutcliffe about possible scenarios.

Leeder again cited the structure used to negotiate a Public Private Partnership (P3S) for the Bell Sensplex and the Richcraft Sensplex.

“The taxpayer is not going to increase their taxes and write cheques for this,” Leeder said. “That’s not the kind of support we’ve been talking about. We need to find a way to make it work that works for everybody involved — us included.

“We can’t go down there and be in a worse situation than we are now, but we’re not expecting to have a taxpayer-funded facility. We’ve got to figure that out with the right kind of (P3). We’ve done it before with the Sensplexes.

“We couldn’t have done it without the city, but the taxpayer didn’t put any money into those. The city was a big part of those and made it happen. They figured it out in Calgary and in Edmonton. We’ve just got to find a model that works here.”

The city also wants to find out what the plan is for the 75 acres where the Canadian Tire Centre sits because it will be either sold or redeveloped by the Senators.

“We don’t have a plan yet,” Leeder said. “We need to have full consideration because that’s going to be part of the final solution. What are we doing downtown, and what are we doing here?

“It’s too important. Kanata has been good to us. I know it’s important to the people who live here, the politicians and the councillors.

“What are we doing at this site if we move downtown? We will have a plan and a solution.”
https://ottawasun.com/ottawa-senators/cy...on-flats-deal?itm_source=sports&tbref=hp

A few other arcticles:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/ottawa/article/le...e-starting-line-senators-president-says/

https://ottawacitizen.com/ottawa-senators/new-arena-lebreton-flats-game-changer-even-naysayers
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Went to Open NCC on Saturday. The NCC has seen the Sens plans for the site, but aren't allowed to offer any information yet, but based on Leeder's interviews earlier this month, we should see those by the end of the year.
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New rendering (though seems to be the same concept from 3 years ago) from the NCC Board Meeting.

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I was walking along the pathway connecting Bayview and Pimisi the other day and was thinking about the notion of decking over the rail line and I'll tell ya.. those catenerary poles and wires are tall. Like.. you could deck over it for sure but then to provide an egress down will be a challenge without chewing up a bunch of space on aquaduct side.

There HAS to be some type of cross over though. I just couldn't say the best way of going about it.

Really though.. In a perfect world the train would have been buried here. That Booth bridge is mildly obnoxious to say the least. It's very much a barrier in the visual sense if not in the physical sense.. which it is. Knowing that Line 2 will likely never continue northward, imagine if line 1/2 stayed either completely subterranean or at least trenched until it met the western transitway portion. I dunno how we would have routed the aquaduct but mehhhh.. don't get me caught up in the details.

I just see the LRT in Lebreton as a barrier in its current form.
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I was walking along the pathway connecting Bayview and Pimisi the other day and was thinking about the notion of decking over the rail line and I'll tell ya.. those catenerary poles and wires are tall. Like.. you could deck over it for sure but then to provide an egress down will be a challenge without chewing up a bunch of space on aquaduct side.

There HAS to be some type of cross over though. I just couldn't say the best way of going about it.

Really though.. In a perfect world the train would have been buried here. That Booth bridge is mildly obnoxious to say the least. It's very much a barrier in the visual sense if not in the physical sense.. which it is. Knowing that Line 2 will likely never continue northward, imagine if line 1/2 stayed either completely subterranean or at least trenched until it met the western transitway portion. I dunno how we would have routed the aquaduct but mehhhh.. don't get me caught up in the details.

I just see the LRT in Lebreton as a barrier in its current form.
With enough crossings it won't be as much of a barrier. It will still be a visual one but with the height and density along the south side of the LRT there won't be too many vantages where it makes a difference IMO. Really looking forward to seeing some concrete plans for the area.
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'This is Ottawa's arena,' Sens owner says of plans to build at LeBreton Flats
Team, NCC reached a deal in August for purchase of land at the site

Ben Andrews · CBC News
Posted: Oct 06, 2025 5:44 PM EDT | Last Updated: 9 minutes ago


At a groundbreaking ceremony for the expansion of a small Gatineau dairy operation Monday, Ottawa Senators owner Michael Andlaur discussed a much different development: a new hockey arena at LeBreton Flats.

Andlauer was on hand because the team is partnered with Laiterie de l'Outaouais, which is expanding and modernizing its facilities with the help of millions in government funding.

It was among his first times speaking to media since the Sens and National Capital Commission (NCC) reached a deal in August on the purchase and sale of about four-and-a-half hectares of land at LeBreton Flats.

Responding to questions about whether a future downtown arena would require public funding, Andlauer didn't answer directly, instead drawing a comparison between the dairy and the Sens.

He called investment in the dairy a "slam dunk" and described government funding for the company as "an investment by three levels of government here to do an expansion for the future."

Then, referring to the prospect of a downtown arena, Andlauer said: "I think we have to have the same mindset going into this."

Andlauer, who bought the Sens in 2023, said people shouldn't think of any future downtown arena as belonging to him.

"I think people need to understand, this is not my arena. This is Ottawa's arena. I don't need to own it," he said.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-sens-lebreton-flats-1.7652663
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Ottawa Senators owner Michael Andlauer: Team making good progress towards LeBreton Flats arena

By Bruce Garrioch, Ottawa Citizen
Published Oct 06, 2025 | Last updated 56 minutes ago




https://ottawacitizen.com/ottawa-senator...ds-lebreton-flats-arena?itm_source=index
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[B]'This is Ottawa's arena,' Sens owner says of plans to build at LeBreton Flats
Team, NCC reached a deal in August for purchase of land at the site

"I think people need to understand, this is not my arena. This is Ottawa's arena. I don't need to own it," he said.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-sens-lebreton-flats-1.7652663
Is that his way of making subtle hint at public funding? Either way this is one of the few costly projects id be ok with .
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Is that his way of making subtle hint at public funding? Either way this is one of the few costly projects id be ok with .
I'm turning a little sour on Landsdowne. This is very much needed and will be a yet another catalyst to one of the hottest areas in probably the entire country to be honest. Like Torontos Port Lands. Like.. how long did ya'll plan on sitting on that land?
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Is that his way of making subtle hint at public funding? Either way this is one of the few costly projects id be ok with .
They've always been adamant they won't ask for a direct public contribution, but these last few articles gave me the impression they will.

I'm no opposed to some sort of contribution, as long as we get our money back somehow. Tax breaks are fine, brown field CIP, renting ice time, loan guarantees, even straight up funds contributions if we get those back through ticket surcharges or transit fares included in the ticket prices.
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They've always been adamant they won't ask for a direct public contribution, but these last few articles gave me the impression they will.

I'm no opposed to some sort of contribution, as long as we get our money back somehow. Tax breaks are fine, brown field CIP, renting ice time, loan guarantees, even straight up funds contributions if we get those back through ticket surcharges or transit fares included in the ticket prices.
Agreed, there are lots of ways to support the rink. Ticket surcharges for transit are a must - the Sens have not done that before for some reason (parking revenue).

I would have thought giving the land/cleaning it up would have been part of the deal, but it doesn't seem so.
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Interview with Cyril Leeder on September 21. Seems Little Caesars Arena in Detroit could serve as inspiration.

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/ottawa-1200/art...all-the-upgrades-at-the-ctc-this-season/
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Interview with Cyril Leeder on September 21. Seems Little Caesars Arena in Detroit could serve as inspiration.

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/ottawa-1200/art...all-the-upgrades-at-the-ctc-this-season/
Not a bad starting point, it's an awesome barn! We would be looking at different architecture I would imagine but the facility itself, seating capacity and the entertainment/animation inside are a great example to follow.
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In all that, I missed the conversation about Philly's arena project. I still thought they were moving Downtown. Seems like a waste to build a new arena in the same parking lot when a renovation of the current arena that still seems fairly modern is possible. I certainly don't mind the Palladium as a building. It's always been about the location.

It does seem that the project will come with a new arena district. Wells Fargo Centre is shown to still be there in the renderings.

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Do we know when the Sens or NCC will give their next update? Designs? Really looking forward to the design/build process here.
You've probably already seen it, but Leeder promised the organization will show us something before the end of the calendar year: "hope to unveil their intentions for the site to the public before the end of the calendar year."

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I was walking along the pathway connecting Bayview and Pimisi the other day and was thinking about the notion of decking over the rail line and I'll tell ya.. those catenerary poles and wires are tall. Like.. you could deck over it for sure but then to provide an egress down will be a challenge without chewing up a bunch of space on aquaduct side.

There HAS to be some type of cross over though. I just couldn't say the best way of going about it.

Really though.. In a perfect world the train would have been buried here. That Booth bridge is mildly obnoxious to say the least. It's very much a barrier in the visual sense if not in the physical sense.. which it is. Knowing that Line 2 will likely never continue northward, imagine if line 1/2 stayed either completely subterranean or at least trenched until it met the western transitway portion. I dunno how we would have routed the aquaduct but mehhhh.. don't get me caught up in the details.

I just see the LRT in Lebreton as a barrier in its current form.
I don't see the polls as being an issue. You could replace them with the rigid overhead rail like we have in the tunnel. Covering the O-Train was one of my favourite parts of the RVL proposal a decade ago. In the current plan, I'm only seeing three ways to cross the rail line between Bayview and Booth (Pimi underpass and two active bridges at the Sens parcel, but I think the agreement only requires one).

The rail vibrations are also very loud at LeBreton Flats. At Open NCC, the speaker had to stop talking for 15-20 seconds every time a train passed by.
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In all that, I missed the conversation about Philly's arena project. I still thought they were moving Downtown. Seems like a waste to build a new arena in the same parking lot when a renovation of the current arena that still seems fairly modern is possible.
It's interesting to roll back the Google Earth clock on the South Philly site and see how they have moved sports venues all over that area. Current arena is where JFK Stadium (US home of Live Aid) used to be. Old Spectrum is a parking lot to the north of that. Old Veterans Stadium is a parking lot north of that again. Lincoln Financial Stadium is east of the current arena and the Citizens Bank Park is north of that. Not exactly sure which plot they are putting the new arena on, I have searched and haven't seen it said. I suspect the site of the old Spectrum, to preserve the other parking lots for the baseball and football stadiums. Too bad they didn't go with the downtown plan, arenas and especially ones with 3 Pro teams (WNBA team joining the league the year the new arena is set to open) are great for downtown improvements.
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You could replace them with the rigid overhead rail like we have in the tunnel.

While that would be the nicest option, users will balk at the idea losing the LRT for 6 months.
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It's interesting to roll back the Google Earth clock on the South Philly site and see how they have moved sports venues all over that area. Current arena is where JFK Stadium (US home of Live Aid) used to be. Old Spectrum is a parking lot to the north of that. Old Veterans Stadium is a parking lot north of that again. Lincoln Financial Stadium is east of the current arena and the Citizens Bank Park is north of that. Not exactly sure which plot they are putting the new arena on, I have searched and haven't seen it said. I suspect the site of the old Spectrum, to preserve the other parking lots for the baseball and football stadiums. Too bad they didn't go with the downtown plan, arenas and especially ones with 3 Pro teams (WNBA team joining the league the year the new arena is set to open) are great for downtown improvements.
Here's the best rendering I found, with a full overview. We can still see Wells Fargo to the right. It's hard to say what the new arena is in that image. Maybe the part with the green roof, if it's significantly sunken into the ground?


https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/editori...ast-spectacor-south-philly-20240307.html
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You could replace them with the rigid overhead rail like we have in the tunnel.

While that would be the nicest option, users will balk at the idea losing the LRT for 6 months.
Take a look at how Calgary built over their (operating) LRT during the library construction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3jjfYNdNQM
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