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Old Posted Nov 7, 2025, 8:04 PM
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My memory only goes as far back as one of Pierre's reigns..I kinda sorta remember the Vietnam war going on and subsequently ending, and I have a very vague recollection of the moon landing..I was 3, and there was a big deal on T.V surrounding it, and that's all I can remember! The news and world events were for grown ups..Howard Cosell was around too..He should have hosted all of those lame Canadian game shows like "Beat the Clock", instead of calling sporting events!
I have some foggy memories of watching the moon landing with might family, I was 4 at the time. I also remember the Vietnam war being on tv all the time also.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2025, 12:36 PM
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I have some foggy memories of watching the moon landing with might family, I was 4 at the time. I also remember the Vietnam war being on tv all the time also.
Yes..Every night it was on the news it seemed..But again, I was too young, and would rather watch Sesame Street or the Banana Splits at that time.

Getting back to statistics, I just checked out Greater Sudbury's population..It's just south of 200k now! Some good growth for a "once was" mining town, which through the years, transformed itself into a bonafide regional centre. Having a northern community grow to this size in Ontario, would be akin to Rouyn Noranda in Quebec blowing up to 6 figures in population. Although, Rouyn is more remote than Sudbury. I've been to Rouyn btw, and it had a real vibrant dt (at that time)..People out on the patios and dressed up real nice, like Quebecers tend to do when they go out.
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October housing starts are out. Strong month for Calgary and Montreal.



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Old Posted Nov 20, 2025, 7:44 PM
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Toronto is just getting absolutely pummeled.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2025, 9:35 PM
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Lots of built up inventory with more still coming online. It could be a year or so before things get back on track again.
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All the cities and full range of housing start stats here:

https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/media-newsroom/news-releases/2025/housing-starts-ctober-2025
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Lots of built up inventory with more still coming online. It could be a year or so before things get back on track again.
I suspect Toronto will be slow for a bit, but it's only a matter of time until housing starts are raging again, it's just a minor bump in the road.

Calgary's an interesting case as last year Calgary was a clear third in housing starts, but this year it could end up having the highest number of housing starts of all metros this year, I'm not sure that's every happened with Calgary before. The question will be when does the inevitable slowdown hit Calgary?

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Question: does an apartment building with 100 apartments count as 100 housing starts?
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I suspect Toronto will be slow for a bit, but it's only a matter of time until housing starts are raging again, it's just a minor bump in the road.

Calgary's an interesting case as last year Calgary was a clear third in housing starts, but this year it could end up having the highest number of housing starts of all metros this year, I'm not sure that's every happened with Calgary before. The question will be when does the inevitable slowdown hit Calgary?
I didn't believe this when I saw it so I looked up the numbers and you might be right. Calgary is the highest so far for 2025 and at the pace its going it might end up with the most housing starts of all the metros.

Calgary 23,065
Vancouver 22,001
Montreal 21,813
Toronto 21,574
Edmonton 17389
Ottawa 9862
Halifax 5893
Winnipeg 4914
KW 3706
Hamilton 2152


What was even more surprising was seeing Toronto in 4th spot. Surprising, but then again Toronto has built massive amounts over the past few years. We're in a slow period as we fill up all that inventory. The slowness shouldn't last too long. The other things surprising was how many starts Halifax has had, and how little Ottawa, Winnipeg and Hamilton have had.

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Housing starts Moncton CMA YTD = 1,966

Pretty much equal to Halifax on a per capita basis, and, within spitting distance of Hamilton (which has 4x the population).
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The other thing for Halifax is that so much of it is urban infill. It might even be majority urban apartments with some highrises up to 40 floors. Plus there's other major construction like a new hospital (with $4.5B construction costs; it's a major project). Who knows how long it will go on for, but the city is really changing.
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Looks like PEI is outpacing Newfoundland in most of those statistics, and usually by a significant margin. Quite impressive considering the rampant NIMBYism issues PEI construction tends to run into (as seen in the PEI thread in the Atlantic Canada section).

I was over in Summerside at the start of the month. First time I've ever been there, but it did seem like there was a significant amount of construction and growth in general happening there; and even more going in Charlottetown from what I've heard.

And looking at NB's tricities, Moncton's still punching above its class as MonctonRad pointed out; but Freddy is doing quite well as well, in spitting distance of Moncton's numbers. Saint John is sadly trailing, but hopefully that will pick up. Lots of ongoing projects happening in the Port City that should spur lots of growth in the years to come.
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The other thing for Halifax is that so much of it is urban infill. It might even be majority urban apartments with some highrises up to 40 floors. Plus there's other major construction like a new hospital (with $4.5B construction costs; it's a major project). Who knows how long it will go on for, but the city is really changing.
According to the CMHC's very detailed data information portal, only 690 of the Halifax starts were single-family detached. Of the remaining 5,200, about 2,200 were on the peninsula, downtown Dartmouth and Fairview (a mid-century suburb adjacent to the central city that's increasingly an extension of it).

I'm a little surprised that more of it wasn't central, but there's lots throughout the inner and outer suburbs. There is also a big chunk (1,900) in effectively exurban areas. That's a bit different from the past several years, when growth was REALLY concentrated on the core, but it's still an overall urbanizing trend.

Interesting shift in Calgary too, with more multi-unit and less single-family. About 25 percent of starts so far this year were detached houses, which is a change from the 50-50 single/multi ratio of recent years. The starts in Calgary are still a lot more spread out, mostly in new-build communities at the periphery. There were about 2,300 in total across the ring of walkable inner-city areas: downtown, the Beltline/Inglewood/Mission, and what CMHC calls "North Hill" which is basically the western edge of Kensington, or a bit beyond, all the way to Bridgeland. Still, some of those new-build communities have more multi-unit and overall denser configurations.

Anyway, it's been a surprisingly long-running building boom here in Halifax, and the pace of approvals, permits and groundbreakings has not really slowed. It definitely has to at some point, particularly given reduced population growth. But even if it stopped right now, with what's currently U/C, the past ten years and especially the past five have really transformed the whole central part of the city and injected a good deal of everyday vitality and liveliness through a broad area. The downside has been fast-rising housing prices, so I'm at least hopeful that the continued high pace of construction, during a period of much-slower growth, can help mitigate that and flatten out rental price growth.

The one thing I hope we avoid, of course, is a crash. A decline in construction is inevitable, but I hope it's a slowdown, not a grinding halt.
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Quebec City has had 7666 new housing starts yoy. Only 591 of those were single-family detached while 82% were apartments for rent. Pretty good year thus far.

Le Soleil newspaper published an interesting article describing how increased construction costs has forced promoters to decrease the average size of new units entering the market :


https://www.lesoleil.com/affaires/2025/1...=customer.io&utm_term=Lundi+24+nov.+2025
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I didn't believe this when I saw it so I looked up the numbers and you might be right. Calgary is the highest so far for 2025 and at the pace its going it might end up with the most housing starts of all the metros.

Calgary 23,065
Vancouver 22,001
Montreal 21,813
Toronto 21,574
Edmonton 17389
Ottawa 9862
Halifax 5893
Winnipeg 4914
KW 3706
Hamilton 2152


What was even more surprising was seeing Toronto in 4th spot. Surprising, but then again Toronto has built massive amounts over the past few years. We're in a slow period as we fill up all that inventory. The slowness shouldn't last too long. The other things surprising was how many starts Halifax has had, and how little Ottawa, Winnipeg and Hamilton have had.
Changes to immigration rules are having an outsized impact on the Toronto market which is mostly propped up by new immigrants. I don't see the Toronto market really turning around until immigration returns to a non-net-zero amount, which right now is (I believe) 2028.

The way the Canadian market has long worked, especially in Ontario, is that new immigrants land in Toronto and there is consistent stream of people moving from Toronto to the rest of Ontario and Canada - obviously not universally, but this is the most dominant pattern.

The stream of people out of the GTA is still happening, and the in-stream of imigrants has been cut to a trickle. Which means that the GTA is most likely losing population right now - Ontario has not been growing as a whole in any meaningful way for the last two quarters.

Which means no support for new starts, falling rents, etc.
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I didn't believe this when I saw it so I looked up the numbers and you might be right. Calgary is the highest so far for 2025 and at the pace its going it might end up with the most housing starts of all the metros.

Calgary 23,065
Vancouver 22,001
Montreal 21,813
Toronto 21,574
Edmonton 17389
Ottawa 9862
Halifax 5893
Winnipeg 4914
KW 3706
Hamilton 2152


What was even more surprising was seeing Toronto in 4th spot. Surprising, but then again Toronto has built massive amounts over the past few years. We're in a slow period as we fill up all that inventory. The slowness shouldn't last too long. The other things surprising was how many starts Halifax has had, and how little Ottawa, Winnipeg and Hamilton have had.
What is the source for this? I cant find those exact numbers anywhere.
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What is the source for this? I cant find those exact numbers anywhere.
Looks like they are from the

"Housing Start Data in Centres 10,000 Population and Over (Metropolitan Areas)
January – October 2024 – 2025" table on the article linked earlier

Though the KW numbers don't quite match; the rest of them do. May just have been a transcription error.
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