[Moncton] St. Bernard Place | 6 Storeys | Under Construction

[Leroy321]

Originally Posted by mylesmalley

That's the council agenda, not PAC.

Oops… either way there’s a presentation for this project on Monday.

[MonctonRad]

This will be very interesting to keep an eye on.

I wonder if they will be presenting any new renders?

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Does the building code allow for 6 storeys of wood construction on top of a concrete podium?

Would be nice to see this at least crack 10 storeys somehow.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

Does the building code allow for 6 storeys of wood construction on top of a concrete podium?

yes

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

Would be nice to see this at least crack 10 storeys somehow.

It would be nice, but, several sources report it will be six storeys.

The fact that they are presenting to council in interesting. I believe they have incentive to get started quickly (next spring). Sources say that they have a lessee for the ground level commercial space (a restaurant).

I really want to see a new rendering. Despite the height of this building getting kneecapped, six storey construction on a main downtown street will add a lot to density, and, even a six storey building can be architecturally interesting.

[lirette]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

yes



It would be nice, but, several sources report it will be six storeys.

The fact that they are presenting to council in interesting. I believe they have incentive to get started quickly (next spring). Sources say that they have a lessee for the ground level commercial space (a restaurant).

I really want to see a new rendering. Despite the height of this building getting kneecapped, six storey construction on a main downtown street will add a lot to density, and, even a six storey building can be architecturally interesting.

Take the proposal for the building at 200 Robinson for example.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

yes



It would be nice, but, several sources report it will be six storeys.

The fact that they are presenting to council in interesting. I believe they have incentive to get started quickly (next spring). Sources say that they have a lessee for the ground level commercial space (a restaurant).

I really want to see a new rendering. Despite the height of this building getting kneecapped, six storey construction on a main downtown street will add a lot to density, and, even a six storey building can be architecturally interesting.

That's good... like, even pushing for it to be a 8-10 storey building with a parking podium would be a significant win. Would be good to see someone on council ask about the prospects for a podium for parking and mixed uses that could get the project higher than six storeys.

I bet you know a few ppl on council who'd be willing to ask, or at least make it clear they're disappointed with the huge decrease in height for this proposal.

Imo, the minimum for something zoned high rise should be 8 or 10 storeys. I know Moncton and Saint John have lots of room left for buildings of 20-30+ storeys within their core and core adjacent areas, but still... most 6 storey builds built within the core could have been 10-10-20+ storey builds with more ambitious proposals. Moncton especially needs to prioritize 10-15+ storey developments to fill out the skyline and start actually looking like a city approaching 200k and beyond.

I'm cherry picking a bit (or a lot) with this picture of the Regina, SK skyline, as it's a provincial capital and a bit of an exception in terms of it's skyline, but Saskatoon has seen explosive high rise growth in recent years, and it's certainly not the capital. The funny thing is, is that despite Regina having the much beefier skyline than Saskatoon, Regina's downtown really isn't a very happening place, and most of the buildings that much the skyline so impressive are office space. Saskatoon's downtown is also a lot closer to the U of S than Regina's downtown is to the U of R. The City of Regina actually just posted this survey today for on a new strategy for Centre Square, the area directly to the south of downtown Regina.

Regina Skyline:



Saskatoon Skyline:



If anything Saskatoon is more analogous to Moncton, and Regina is sort of analogous to a combination of Fredericton and Saint John, with a lake waterfront instead of a river/ocean waterfront. However, neither Saskatoon nor Regina have a situation where their suburbs make up 40-50% of their CMAs like here in NB... but I'll leave that topic a lone, lmao.

At the very least, I assume most people looking to move to another city in Canada, or moving to Canada from another country, look up pictures and videos of the city on google. If someone was looking up pictures of the Regina and Moncton skylines, and didn't look up the climate, it might influence them to pick Regina over Moncton.

I hope Moncton continues to fill out that skyline and keeps on raising the bar for high rise developments in New Brunswick.


I also hope Moncton council doesn't let this developer off too easy... a mild chastising would be more than deserved, at this point, haha.

[jonny golden]

Originally Posted by lirette

Take the proposal for the building at 200 Robinson for example.

I was a big fan of that project, especially given the location. Too bad it didn't get off the ground.

[Taeolas]

With Infinity about to break ground, the developer of this property is possibly shooting themselves in the foot by going 6 stories. They're cleared to go high and become another signature building on the Moncton skyline. Three Sisters and Infinity show that Moncton can support tall (Infinity might be still a bet, but Three Sisters is a solid success).

To go small on a property that has been greenlit for a major project is really short sighted IMO.

[Monctoncore]

I didn’t get the photos, but 6 story, still ground floor commercial. Only thing for me is Spitfire.. they need to branch out on their designs. It’s another, mixed colour property.. whites and darks. It just doesn’t feel like a downtown building..

[Leroy321]

Originally Posted by Monctoncore

I didn’t get the photos, but 6 story, still ground floor commercial. Only thing for me is Spitfire.. they need to branch out on their designs. It’s another, mixed colour property.. whites and darks. It just doesn’t feel like a downtown building..

I honestly hope the developer sells and a big developer buys it.

[MonctonGoldenTri]

They proposed a U-shaped 6-story, which isn’t bad, but I'm still disappointed we’re not getting the full 18

[DyAm00394]

Here's the renderings from the council livestream:

[jonny golden]

Originally Posted by Leroy321

I honestly hope the developer sells and a big developer buys it.

That's something I had thought about too, but I can't imagine it happening now. Looks like we're going to see 6 floors here.

Even 8 floors to match 55 Queen would have been better than 6.

I can't help but wonder why they dumped their 18 storey plan. What a great addition to the downtown it would have been.

[MonctonRad]

Here is St, Bernard Place V3







- not horrible, but, horribly generic (Spitfire design).

- Total number of residential units decreased to 98 (a reduction of almost precisely one half).

- On the bright side, the building no longer overwhelms St. Bernard Church.

- Ground level CRUs are maintained, giving this building a street presence along Botsford and Victoria Streets. Rumour is they have a confirmed lessee already (restaurant).

[OliverD]

🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 that the space is inside the U is wasted on surface parking. Could have been nice amenity space for residents.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by OliverD

🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 that the space is inside the U is wasted on surface parking. Could have been nice amenity space for residents.

Apparently they felt this was necessary to satisfy the ground level CRUs. I'm not so sure.

[josh_cat_eyes]

Disappointing given the location and significant decrease in height. I guess not everything can be a really tall building. Would have just been since to see this in the higher end of mid-rise. Also really disappointing that the u is facing the street instead of the church. The parking could have been completely hidden, between the church and building.

[sailor734]

Spitfire.........'nuf said.

[Lrdevlop]

My biggest fear was that it was going to be a Spitfire design, and well, looks like my fear came true. The podium is not too bad, but the rest... cookie-cutter, uninspired, with a total lack of aesthetics.

[Monctoncore]

Originally Posted by Lrdevlop

My biggest fear was that it was going to be a Spitfire design, and well, looks like my fear came true. The podium is not too bad, but the rest... cookie-cutter, uninspired, with a total lack of aesthetics.

Agreed, I find they keep going to the same bag over and over. A mixture of different sidings, multiple colours, no shape or change I design