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I had noticed that it was gone in the last rendering, but assumed it was just an omission, cause the City can't be THAT dumb. Well, I guess they can. This just keeps getting better.

So we're spending half a billion for new sports facilities for OSEG, but we're too broke to spend $700,000 to fix the lighting system in an art piece (arguably one of the best and most prominent in town) we spent $4 million on 10 years ago. But we do have a $2 million art budget that for some reason can't go into the existing art. And we didn't bother asking the artist how much she would charge to fix it.

Worse case, you don't NEED the integrated lighting. Just have LED spot lights on it.
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Auditor general highlights risks of latest plan to retool Lansdowne Park
Tight construction deadlines, tariffs and 50-year term of deal with OSEG among potential pitfalls

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Posted: Nov 03, 2025 9:05 AM EST | Last Updated: 1 hour ago


The Lansdowne 2.0 redevelopment plan faces risks including a tight construction timeline, tariffs, Redblacks attendance and the uncertainty built into a financial deal that lasts until 2075, according to the office of Ottawa's auditor general.

In a report released Monday, the auditor general took another look at the $419-million redevelopment of the city-owned park in the Glebe.

It raises concerns that the city's 10 per cent contingency fund may not cover extra costs, leaving taxpayers on the hook.

The city's reliance on revenue from the Ottawa Redblacks could also leave it short, while construction delays with the new arena, north side stands and residential towers could result in penalties.

In the short term, alumimum, steel and other tariffs will cause uncertainty. In the longer term, it's difficult to predict how market conditions will affect the proposed 50-year deal with the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group.

The audit finds the city's assumptions about retail and event revenue at the new arena reasonable.

The city's audit committee will hear from Auditor General Nathalie Gougeon on Tuesday. City council is expected to vote on the project Friday.

On Monday, Mayor Mark Sutcliffe thanked Gougeon for her work, calling the audit "a very helpful report that identifies a number of areas of concern."

He said staff are ready to move on her recommendations.

"Clearly there has to be reporting back on a regular basis about the cost side of Lansdowne 2.0 and the other financial projections on the revenue side," he said. "So I'm very supportive of that. I think the auditor has done an excellent job drawing our attention to those issues."

Sutcliffe said the contingency fund for the project is "significant," but added that the city has still other strategies it can use to protect taxpayers from risk.

"It's a big project and the model is over many, many years, so there are always risks inherent in that kind of project, as there are in every other major construction project the city undertakes."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/lansdowne-park-ottawa-construction-audit-money-cost-9.6964289
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I had noticed that it was gone in the last rendering, but assumed it was just an omission, cause the City can't be THAT dumb. Well, I guess they can. This just keeps getting better.

So we're spending half a billion for new sports facilities for OSEG, but we're too broke to spend $700,000 to fix the lighting system in an art piece (arguably one of the best and most prominent in town) we spent $4 million on 10 years ago. But we do have a $2 million art budget that for some reason can't go into the existing art. And we didn't bother asking the artist how much she would charge to fix it.

Worse case, you don't NEED the integrated lighting. Just have LED spot lights on it.
Very worst case we can "enjoy" the art during the day.

There is no money because this was a negotiation between what OSEG wanted and a few asks from the city who also wanted the cost as low as possible.
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Auditor general highlights risks of latest plan to retool Lansdowne Park
Tight construction deadlines, tariffs and 50-year term of deal with OSEG among potential pitfalls

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/lansdowne-park-ottawa-construction-audit-money-cost-9.6964289
Wow. I'm shocked.

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Very worst case we can "enjoy" the art during the day.

There is no money because this was a negotiation between what OSEG wanted and a few asks from the city who also wanted the cost as low as possible.
Exactly. Incredibly stupid of the City.
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Wow. I'm shocked.
If you look at this closely, all the Auditor General highlighted were risks that are very general in nature that apply to virtually every construction project underway right now. Commenting on a 10% contingency for a construction project that is entirely standard in the industry? Including a higher contingency than is standard just makes it far more likely that we end up paying more for this project. In the projects I am involved with, we are systematically cutting contingencies as we have found that higher contingencies are leading to more waste and higher costs overall.

The long horizon is a bit unique, but is definitely less risky than a deal with a short horizon. This report is actually positive enough that you wonder if they really dug into the financial aspects of the deal. Perhaps they were gun shy after their report on construction costs that proved to be way off base. But that episode leads to another question. This process makes me wonder where the true value of the auditor general lies on a project like this. As city auditors, I don't think they have any particular insight into construction costs or retail leasing market conditions, or attendance projections for sports properties, so they are pretty easy to ignore when their report is full of comments on those things. It seems to me that they should be more focused on the financial details of the agreement and pointing out where the city is taking on risk. It would be particularly good to know how the financial risk profile has changed from the first agreement. That would make for a more useful report, and one that I don't think we've actually seen.
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Been listening to last week's delegations over the last few days. There are so many things to go through, but two things stuck out.

Whenever someone talks about the leaking roof, Menard points out that fixing the roof is part of OSEG's obligations in the current contract, and then the speaker and certain councillors get offended.

The other thing is when someone points out that the 1.0 waterfall and profits never materialized, so why should we believe that 2.0 will be different, and then the Mayor counters with "why should it profit? we don't expect community centres and Adisoke, which is fully paid by tax payers (which it is not) profit", yet the entire business case revolves around profit, and it's only going to cost $130 million because of, amongst other things, profit. Can't have it both ways.

I want to bring up Slush Puppie in Gatineau. That is a true partnership with the private sector, as not only are they maintaining the building (like, for real), but also contributed to the capital cost:

The costs were divided among the three partners:
– VMSO: $16 million
– Loan from Investissement Québec to VMSO: $21 million
– Government of Quebec: $26.5 million
– City of Gatineau: $37.9 million

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Whenever someone talks about the leaking roof, Menard points out that fixing the roof is part of OSEG's obligations in the current contract, and then the speaker and certain councillors get offended.

The other thing is when someone points out that the 1.0 waterfall and profits never materialized, so why should we believe that 2.0 will be different, and then the Mayor counters with "why should it profit? we don't expect community centres and Adisoke, which is fully paid by tax payers (which it is not) profit", yet the entire business case revolves around profit, and it's only going to cost $130 million because of, amongst other things, profit. Can't have it both ways.

I want to bring up Slush Puppie in Gatineau. That is a true partnership with the private sector, as not only are they maintaining the building (like, for real), but also contributed to the capital cost:

The costs were divided among the three partners:
– VMSO: $16 million
– Loan from Investissement Québec to VMSO: $21 million
– Government of Quebec: $26.5 million
– City of Gatineau: $37.9 million

https://centreslushpuppie.com/en/about/
Yeah, they never should have put emphasis on the possibility of profit. It should have always been framed as an investment in the facilities.

The Slush Puppie Centre (also a non-competitive project incidentally) brings up a couple of points.

The provincial government put in a good chunk of the money for the construction. We heard a couple of weeks back that Lansdowne would potentially be eligible for provincial infrastructure funding. Wonder where that stands and why no one is mentioning it. Maybe the City has other plans for that provincial funding?

Slush Puppie is a bit different from Lansdowne in that it contains 4 community rinks. In addition to the capital funding, the City has committed to maintain an annual level of arena rentals over the life of the deal, which makes it far more palatable for the private partner. That's a pretty common arrangement in other cities - yes the private entity takes risk, but that risk is significantly mitigated by the long term rental income that is committed by the public partner.

Lansdowne doesn't have more ice surfaces, and as far as I know the City doesn't rent ice there, so I don't think a similar arrangement is possible. But maybe instead of direct loans, the city commits to a revenue stream by taking some of the commercial space for its purposes, or it commits to rental of other space for community use. It's probably cheaper than building new or renting privately. Also more easily explained to the public, as it is simpler and easier to see the benefit the City is getting for its investment.
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If you look at this closely, all the Auditor General highlighted were risks that are very general in nature that apply to virtually every construction project underway right now. Commenting on a 10% contingency for a construction project that is entirely standard in the industry? Including a higher contingency than is standard just makes it far more likely that we end up paying more for this project. In the projects I am involved with, we are systematically cutting contingencies as we have found that higher contingencies are leading to more waste and higher costs overall.

The long horizon is a bit unique, but is definitely less risky than a deal with a short horizon. This report is actually positive enough that you wonder if they really dug into the financial aspects of the deal. Perhaps they were gun shy after their report on construction costs that proved to be way off base. But that episode leads to another question. This process makes me wonder where the true value of the auditor general lies on a project like this. As city auditors, I don't think they have any particular insight into construction costs or retail leasing market conditions, or attendance projections for sports properties, so they are pretty easy to ignore when their report is full of comments on those things. It seems to me that they should be more focused on the financial details of the agreement and pointing out where the city is taking on risk. It would be particularly good to know how the financial risk profile has changed from the first agreement. That would make for a more useful report, and one that I don't think we've actually seen.
To me it comes down to transparency. The Mayor's claims that "it will only cost taxpayers $130 million" and "it will only cost $6.3 million annually" doesn't offer any nuance. He says all this as a fact, completely ignoring the risks, and completely ignoring that we won't see any of the OSEG waterfall until the far side of 2050. He makes it sound like the contingency will fall out of the sky. He fully scratches out the $60 million or so we're spending on the retail podium and parking out of existence. He claims it's a fixed price contract when it really isn't. He never mentions Mirabella having the right to walk away at any point before the towers start construction.

With all that aside, we should have presented multiple options. He loves to use the "you'll buy a $418k house for $130k any day of the week". Well, you don't buy the first house your real estate agent shows you. You shop around. You don't buy the first car the salesman shows you. You compare prices, features, make sure it's the right size, maybe consider fixing your own car if that's cheaper.

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Yeah, they never should have put emphasis on the possibility of profit. It should have always been framed as an investment in the facilities.

The Slush Puppie Centre (also a non-competitive project incidentally) brings up a couple of points.

The provincial government put in a good chunk of the money for the construction. We heard a couple of weeks back that Lansdowne would potentially be eligible for provincial infrastructure funding. Wonder where that stands and why no one is mentioning it. Maybe the City has other plans for that provincial funding?

Slush Puppie is a bit different from Lansdowne in that it contains 4 community rinks. In addition to the capital funding, the City has committed to maintain an annual level of arena rentals over the life of the deal, which makes it far more palatable for the private partner. That's a pretty common arrangement in other cities - yes the private entity takes risk, but that risk is significantly mitigated by the long term rental income that is committed by the public partner.

Lansdowne doesn't have more ice surfaces, and as far as I know the City doesn't rent ice there, so I don't think a similar arrangement is possible. But maybe instead of direct loans, the city commits to a revenue stream by taking some of the commercial space for its purposes, or it commits to rental of other space for community use. It's probably cheaper than building new or renting privately. Also more easily explained to the public, as it is simpler and easier to see the benefit the City is getting for its investment.
Slush Puppie might be more like a Sensplex, though Sensplex seems to be an even better deal wtih the Sens shouldering the entire cost in exchange for ice rentals at the City level.

I'm still unclear who makes the money from naming rights, concessions, event revenue. Isn't that all OSEG? Don't think they are even paying rent. We're building the thing and OSEG gets 100% control, and in exchange they pay for maintenance (which, based on the leaky roof, they don't actually).
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To me it comes down to transparency. The Mayor's claims that "it will only cost taxpayers $130 million" and "it will only cost $6.3 million annually" doesn't offer any nuance. He says all this as a fact, completely ignoring the risks, and completely ignoring that we won't see any of the OSEG waterfall until the far side of 2050. He makes it sound like the contingency will fall out of the sky. He fully scratches out the $60 million or so we're spending on the retail podium and parking out of existence. He claims it's a fixed price contract when it really isn't. He never mentions Mirabella having the right to walk away at any point before the towers start construction.
Is any of that actually accurate? I know Shawn Menard has made all of those claims, but I've never seen anything to substantiate any of them.

For instance, it really is a fixed price contract. There is some division of risks in any contract - that fact alone doesn't mean it isn't fixed cost. And the contingency is part of the price quoted, not some extra amount that the City is on the hook for.

The waterfall is the description of how revenues are applied to the various costs. We may not see a profit until 2050, but the revenues are being put back into the project from day one.

As for the $60 million not being included or the idea that Mirabella can just walk away, not sure where those came from, nor have I seen anything to substantiate those claims. The $60 million was in the budget the publicized, so I'm not really sure what Menard was talking about.

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Slush Puppie might be more like a Sensplex, though Sensplex seems to be an even better deal wtih the Sens shouldering the entire cost in exchange for ice rentals at the City level.
I think you are right about the model, but the Sens aren't shouldering the entire cost. The Sensplexes are separate non-profit entities, so not owned by the Sens. At Lansdowne the City owns the facilities, so that is a key difference.


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I'm still unclear who makes the money from naming rights, concessions, event revenue. Isn't that all OSEG? Don't think they are even paying rent. We're building the thing and OSEG gets 100% control, and in exchange they pay for maintenance (which, based on the leaky roof, they don't actually).
This is where the auditor could have played a more useful role, but aren't all of the things you mentioned revenue that is fed into the waterfall and applied to operating costs and debt? The not paying rent has always been a red herring, as they are applying the revenue they earn to the costs of the facility. It's not worse, just a different model. As for the leaky roof, the question would be whether that is regular maintenance or something structural like the steel beams that had to be rehabbed. A lot of the reason Lansdowne 1.0 wasn't profitable was that the building had been let deteriorate to the point where they required structural work that added to the costs.

The point of getting OSEG on the hook for regular maintenance was to prevent things from getting to that point, not to put them on the hook for past neglect by the City.
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Everyone knew what they were getting into with 1.0. The complex was audited and band-aids were applied. The claim was that we could have another 40 years (more or less) out of it.

The only argument I'm sympathetic to is accessibility. It's absolutely nuts that it wasn't solved with 1.0. I still think accessibility could be built-in to the current Civic Centre complex, but it would never reach the same level as a brand new facility. The City's choice of jumping on OSEG's proposal without question (outside removing a bunch of the cool, unique features) has robbed us from knowing if it would have been possible to get the current facility up to some basic standards, and at what cost.

The whole scrapping the art piece while budgeting $2 million for new art is very much representative of how this whole thing has been poorly managed. If they can't figure out something that simple...
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As for the $60 million not being included or the idea that Mirabella can just walk away, not sure where those came from, nor have I seen anything to substantiate those claims. The $60 million was in the budget the publicized, so I'm not really sure what Menard was talking about.
So two things here. From the Auditor's report:

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Mirabella Development Corporation, which has bought the rights to build the towers over the development for $65 million, is only putting up a $1-million deposit upon signing.

“The clauses within the purchase and sale agreement with the air rights allows Mirabella to pull out with a low cost,” Gougeon said.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ra...debates-risks-of-lansdowne-2-0-9.6966578

And something I hadn't heard of before.

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If construction on the stands falls behind, it would trigger a penalty of up to $13 million the city will have to pay Mirabella.

Meanwhile, the city is expecting to pay $16 million in “business interruption costs” when events or retailers make less money during demolition and construction. The auditor says the city could end up owing more than that.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/lansdowne-park-ottawa-construction-audit-money-cost-9.6964289
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Menard is so anti development and wouldn't be happy unless it was a park and public housing but here he makes a lot of good points. The Air Rights is a big risk if we see continued decreases in immigration and end up with a surplus of housing allowing them to walk away means we really can't book that $65 Million in any real sense. It's a pretty good speculative play on their part as the reverse could also be true with it worth a lot more than what they are paying.

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Menard is so anti development and wouldn't be happy unless it was a park and public housing but here he makes a lot of good points. The Air Rights is a big risk if we see continued decreases in immigration and end up with a surplus of housing allowing them to walk away means we really can't book that $65 Million in any real sense. It's a pretty good speculative play on their part as the reverse could also be true with it worth a lot more than what they are paying.
The air rights are a risk, sure, but are they really a big risk? They are a relatively modest piece of the puzzle. Sure, Mirabella could pay the deposits and walk away (still unclear if there would be an additional penalty for doing that), but is that really likely? They are a sophisticated developer - there is no doubt that their bid took into account changing market conditions. I think the risk of a delay in construction is bigger than the risk that they pay $6 million and decide to walk away with nothing. If they don't build, it's much more likely that they try to sell the air rights to another developer and recoup some of their investment (which would go well beyond the deposit paid to the City).

Even if they walk away, it's not like the City is out $65 million. They will just award the rights to another developer. Yes, the price would be lower, but the $65 million was much higher than anticipated in the first place. So the real risk is that we end up somewhere in the ballpark of the original projections for revenue from air rights. Not exactly devastating.

This seems way overblown to me - just a typical risk on a major project. Probably less costly and disruptive than the risk of a major subcontractor going belly up. That I would be more worried about, as it would definitely cause major delays.
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Does 2.0 make it impossible to host the Grey Cup ever again?
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Does 2.0 make it impossible to host the Grey Cup ever again?
No, the Grey Cup is being held in similar stadiums like Hamilton and Toronto, so no reason to think Ottawa couldn't host.
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Menard is so anti development and wouldn't be happy unless it was a park and public housing but here he makes a lot of good points. The Air Rights is a big risk if we see continued decreases in immigration and end up with a surplus of housing allowing them to walk away means we really can't book that $65 Million in any real sense. It's a pretty good speculative play on their part as the reverse could also be true with it worth a lot more than what they are paying.
To Menard's credit, he's tabled a few good motions to improve 2.0. I don't remember Doucet doing that with 1.0, using up all his energy to oppose instead. Chernushenko after him was decent though.

Here are the motions in simpler langue (if it passed).
  • Better financial oversight by the City (unsure yet);
  • Increase share for affordable housing from the air rights, from $9.75 million to $22.75 million (Passed);
  • Staff provide update by Q1 2026 on actions being pursued to improve pedestrian experience on Aberdeen Square (unsure yet);
  • Give us a guarantee that the RedBlacks and 67s will stick around until the end of the agreement in 2075 (amended to 2042 and Passed);
  • Direct staff to collaborate with the Moving Surfaces artist to restore and reinstate the art piece (unsure yet);
  • Additional bus shelter on Bank near Exhibition Way by 2026 (unsure yet);
  • Shuttle service be provided for all events, improve transit on Bank for events and offer promotional rates for the 6 and 7 routes during events. (unsure yet)

Leiper also had a solid motion.
  • Increase MAT contribution from $2 million to 40%, thus increasing the amount over time as the MAT brings in more through increased tourism and inflation (unsure yet).

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The air rights are a risk, sure, but are they really a big risk? They are a relatively modest piece of the puzzle. Sure, Mirabella could pay the deposits and walk away (still unclear if there would be an additional penalty for doing that), but is that really likely? They are a sophisticated developer - there is no doubt that their bid took into account changing market conditions. I think the risk of a delay in construction is bigger than the risk that they pay $6 million and decide to walk away with nothing. If they don't build, it's much more likely that they try to sell the air rights to another developer and recoup some of their investment (which would go well beyond the deposit paid to the City).

Even if they walk away, it's not like the City is out $65 million. They will just award the rights to another developer. Yes, the price would be lower, but the $65 million was much higher than anticipated in the first place. So the real risk is that we end up somewhere in the ballpark of the original projections for revenue from air rights. Not exactly devastating.

This seems way overblown to me - just a typical risk on a major project. Probably less costly and disruptive than the risk of a major subcontractor going belly up. That I would be more worried about, as it would definitely cause major delays.
It's just one risk amongst many, a "waterfall" of risks, you might say.

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No, the Grey Cup is being held in similar stadiums like Hamilton and Toronto, so no reason to think Ottawa couldn't host.
Those stadiums have the potential to expand though, right? With all this, we still haven't heard anything about potential temporary seating for major events.
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During Council questioning, Mark Goudie confirmed that the events centre will "come into play" during stadium events. As per the rendering, all three levels are accessible. Concourse level at field level will have a patio. Second level is the suite level (so sounds like the suites will be two sided), that level having the terrace. The third bridge level will be a party deck, but he didn't mention access to the event centre from that level.

I would love to see updated floor plans for the event centre at this point.
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To Menard's credit, he's tabled a few good motions to improve 2.0. I don't remember Doucet doing that with 1.0, using up all his energy to oppose instead. Chernushenko after him was decent though.

Here are the motions in simpler langue (if it passed).
  • Better financial oversight by the City (unsure yet);
  • Increase share for affordable housing from the air rights, from $9.75 million to $22.75 million (Passed);
  • Staff provide update by Q1 2026 on actions being pursued to improve pedestrian experience on Aberdeen Square (unsure yet);
  • Give us a guarantee that the RedBlacks and 67s will stick around until the end of the agreement in 2075 (amended to 2042 and Passed);
  • Direct staff to collaborate with the Moving Surfaces artist to restore and reinstate the art piece (unsure yet);
  • Additional bus shelter on Bank near Exhibition Way by 2026 (unsure yet);
  • Shuttle service be provided for all events, improve transit on Bank for events and offer promotional rates for the 6 and 7 routes during events. (unsure yet)

Leiper also had a solid motion.
  • Increase MAT contribution from $2 million to 40%, thus increasing the amount over time as the MAT brings in more through increased tourism and inflation (unsure yet).



It's just one risk amongst many, a "waterfall" of risks, you might say.



Those stadiums have the potential to expand though, right? With all this, we still haven't heard anything about potential temporary seating for major events.
I don't think that there is a single one of those motions from Menard that isn't a good idea and wouldn't improve the plan. I would agree with all of them. He is definitely pandering to the Friends of Lansdowne crowd in his public communications, but it appears he is more constructive in his formal motions (which is consistent with his style, in my experience). I just wish that he spent more effort presenting things as a full package and seeking constructive input, rather than presenting a series of outrages and grievances.

As for the waterfall, I have no problem with the scrutiny it is receiving. If anything, it needs more scrutiny. What bugs me is the constant stream of people singling out one risk or one line item without any context and then arguing how terrible it is or how it is a fatal flaw in the whole plan. Even when some of the "risks" that people have discovered are completely standard in construction contracts. That type of cherry-picking isn't useful. It is very easy to find things to pick on with any big project. What's less easy is putting everything in context and deciding what we actually should be worrying about.

BMO Field didn't expand for the Grey Cup, though it is a bit larger than Lansdowne. If Hamilton expanded, it was minimal, as the attendance was around 28K. But you're right, they haven't said much about expanding capacity, other than to say they can do it. Even if they didn't, they can probably get a few thousand more in for big events just using the existing standing room.

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There has been a lot of cherry-picking from both sides to be honest. We've probably had a more honest and comprehensive debate than anything I've seen at City Hall.
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I used to be in favour of Lansdowne 2.0. I've changed my mind

Bruce Deachman: I don’t want Lansdowne to fail, but I also don't trust this deal. City council should vote 'no.'

By Bruce Deachman
Published Nov 06, 2025


Two years ago, I wrote a column in support of the Lansdowne 2.0 development. In it, I waxed nostalgic about my lifelong relationship with the grand old dame of urban parks and all she had given Ottawa: the concerts, fairs, exhibitions, conventions, sporting events and monster truck rallies.

The new plan, I acknowledged, wasn’t perfect. Residents’ concerns about an overly small replacement arena crowding out the Great Lawn were reasonable. The green roof once planned for the event centre was gone. But I felt the 130 or so annual events held there were too important an economic driver to risk losing. Besides, the old Civic Centre, where I’d played pickup hockey and watched mysterious bits of who-knows-what float down from the ceiling, was beyond repair. Lansdowne 2.0 seemed, at the time, a necessary step in the city investing in its own renewal.

Oh, sure, public transit to and from the site was inadequate. An on-site car dealership was a jarring choice, as were (and are) the number of dessert restaurants. And yes, some diehard football fans would miss the roof over the North Side stands. The buildings themselves were uninspiring, the children’s play area felt like an afterthought, and the outdoor market space was confusing.

And, yet, the place was full of people enjoying themselves. Did we really want to imperil what was fast becoming Ottawa’s prime meeting spot?

“I want Lansdowne to thrive and be a place that people look forward to visiting, for whatever reason they go, be it for music, sports, dining, shopping, yoga or simply to people-watch,” I wrote. And I still do.

But, after wearing out a highlighter going through the latest 150-page Lansdowne 2.0 report — filling the margins with question marks and WTFs and then seeking out explanations — I’ve reached the conclusion that, if the latest plan were on a ballot, I’d vote against it.

My reasons are numerous, but the bottom line is that whether I follow my head or my heart, I end up at the same place: I don’t trust this deal. If I were being asked to invest my own money in it, I wouldn’t. Which, of course, is exactly what’s happening through city council. This isn’t about nostalgia; it’s about responsibility, and, when councillors vote on Nov. 7, I hope at least a few who supported the plan in 2023, as I did, will reconsider.

Here are some reasons they might:

THE FIXED PRICE THAT ISN’T

The report refers to the “fixed price” construction of the new North Side stands and Event Centre, a phrase that might lead regular people to believe the project itself has a fixed cost — like a prix-fixe restaurant menu where you’re not surprised by the bill.

This isn’t that kind of diner.

As city auditor general Nathalie Gougeon noted this week, cost overruns will be paid solely by the city. The built-in 10 per cent contingency, she noted, is “the minimum buffer for a project of this magnitude and duration.” Her office reviewed comparable recent major projects and found that they “have generally shown cost overruns.”

If you believe this one won’t, that there won’t be change orders that the city will have to pay for, I have a square-wheeled LRT train to sell you.

Meanwhile, the AG’s report, as it did a year ago, warns about overly rosy projections, especially regarding the Redblacks. It also warns of the sheer timeline of the deal, which extends to 2075. “Ultimately, should the results fall short from the financial projections over the course of the partnership agreement, distributions from the waterfall will not be available to the city,” her update states.

The report predicts net revenues of $1.27 billion over the life of the partnership, 87 per cent of which is expected to come from retail. Is that reasonable? Do we have any idea what retail will look like in 50 years? It was already struggling before the pandemic. Forecasting that it will anchor almost all of this project well into the 2070s feels like someone shook the Magic 8-ball until they got the answer they wanted.

The reason we’re here is that the rosy projections from Lansdowne 1.0 never materialized. The lesson from that shouldn’t be to double down. To accept the 2.0 projections requires a degree of faith the city hasn’t earned. When Mayor Mark Sutcliffe says the deal is just like buying a $418,000 house for $130,000, I urge him to watch The Money Pit.

And, when he says the naysayers were wrong about 1.0 and wrong again about 2.0, the reverse may be true: The naysayers were right about 1.0, and they may very well be right again.

WILL THE CHARGE LEAD THE CHARGE AWAY FROM LANSDOWNE?

It was disappointing to watch Sutcliffe and some councillors attack PWHL execs Jayna Hefford and Amy Scheer last week for daring to suggest that the proposed arena’s seating capacity — smaller than what the Ottawa Charge already draw — isn’t enough for the team to remain viable at Lansdowne.

In response, the mayor appeared to invite the team to take its pucks and go play elsewhere if it intends to be so successful.

Then, this week, CityFolk executive director Mark Monahan said that construction of the new arena on the Great Lawn might force that already massively popular music festival to find a new home.

At this rate, by the time we get to Lansdowne 3.0 or 4.0, there’ll be no one left to protest.

THE PRICE OF AIR

The $65 million air-rights figure being tossed around as what Mirabella Developments will pay the city to build two residential towers (and possibly a hotel) isn’t nearly as cut-and-dried as it appears. What Mirabella is actually paying now is $1-million for the option to pay the rest later. If the condo market continues to cool or conditions otherwise sour, Mirabella can walk away.

Meanwhile, the Lansdowne 2.0 report lists all three bids the city received for construction of the North Side stands and event centre, but only Mirabella’s winning bid for the air rights — not what any other companies offered. Why? The report doesn’t say. This is yet another example of the troubling lack of transparency on the city’s part.

So, too, was the mayor’s response a week ago when asked about giving councillors more time to read and understand the report: “We obviously have enough time to make the decision,” he said, “because several councillors have already indicated how they’re going to vote. So they clearly don’t need more time.”

PUBLIC ART

I realize this is a soft issue about which many people don’t care a whit, but it’s emblematic of much of what’s wrong with this deal: the neglect of existing assets.

Remember Moving Surfaces, the 10×50-metre LED-lit, steel structure atop the toboggan hill of the Great Lawn? Its lights haven’t worked since March 2024. The new report praises the piece and notes that the much-reduced 2.0 hill can accommodate it — before later recommending that it be “respectfully” decommissioned and removed, citing a $700,000 repair estimate.

But as its creator, artist Jill Anholt, told councillors at last week’s finance committee meeting, the problems with her installation began when “non-specialist contractors” dismantled and later reinstalled the work — to make more seating for the 2017 Grey Cup, without consulting her. Since then, her offers to collaborate on a less expensive fix have been declined. She hasn’t even been shown the estimate the city is using to justify scrapping her piece.

If this is how the city and OSEG care for a single piece of public art, how will they manage a nearly half-billion-dollar redevelopment? If someone from this partnership asks to borrow your car, I’d recommend saying no.

OPPORTUNITIES LOST ELSEWHERE

Seventy-five per cent of the property taxes Lansdowne 2.0 generates on site will help pay for Lansdowne 2.0. Imagine if your own property taxes were mostly used to fund projects only in your neighbourhood.

Meanwhile, the city is increasing the hotel tax from five to six per cent — a 20-per-cent jump — with $2 million of that increase annually earmarked for Lansdowne 2.0. And there will be a ticket surcharge.

But that all makes sense, right? After all, the current arena and stadium were built in 1967 and are falling apart. But so were many neighbourhood arenas, libraries and other civic buildings across the city.

A few days ago, I went to watch my former pickup hockey teammates play at Walkley Arena, where, after suiting up, they were told the ice surface wasn’t safe and their game was cancelled. I suspect they wouldn’t mind a bit of that sweet hotel-tax cash.

Every million dollars spent at Lansdowne is a million dollars not being spent elsewhere. The city likes to (favourably) compare the cost of Lansdowne 2.0 to the cost of doing nothing. What it should compare are the costs of Lansdowne 2.0 against everything else.

THE FINAL OFF-RAMP

I don’t want Lansdowne to fail. I love watching crowds roar along Bank Street before and after concerts. I love the Charge, CityFolk, the farmers’ market, 613 Flea. But we shouldn’t proceed on a handful of hope, a fistful of sunk costs and a 50-year forecast.

Lansdowne Park has given me countless memories over the past half-century. But nostalgia doesn’t pay the rent. If we were building a football stadium or mid-sized arena from scratch today, would we put it in the Glebe, far from LRT? Likely not.

Throughout this whole process, we’ve been told there will be a number of exit ramps. Well, we’re at the last one. If we miss it, there’s no backing up.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/lansdowne-2-0-changed-my-vote
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