Winnipeg | Perimeter Highway

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by CoryB

From a purely safety point of view you want access to a limited access road about every 2 km. When a fatality happens on the road you want to be able to easily get emergency equipment to the scene and have a safe way to divert traffic away from the scene. Having to close the road from SFX to the Perimeter is not a reasonable approach. It is why Festival Dr will be one of many connections to the road. A single access point every 2 km would already be the most limited access road in the province and is even a higher standard than the Perimeter was until the last five years.

In terms of the Red River Ex/ASD area, the Red River Ex site claims "240+ days". Even if that is a bit of an overstatement there is something happening at campus just about every weekend and then some. For example The Ex site is currently hosting WitchyWonderland until the end of the month and is already working towards opening WinterWonderland, aka the event that caused them the worst traffic issue. ASD has its own set of programming on the go all year round too.

I do get that being stuck due to a fatal crash 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵, having been stuck in one for 2.5 hours.
Even then, I don’t think that having access points every 2 km is the solution either. Even if they’re all protected by interchanges, the close spacing makes a design speed of 130 kph or higher unattainable. Case in point: ON-401 through Kingston. This is not to mention that the cost will be high.
On a new build, we may as well do it correctly right from the start: no cross roads.
As for emergency vehicle access, that’s what the paved shoulders are for.
For the bypass, 3 access points should suffice: SFX, Trunk 334, then the Perimeter Highway, nothing else. In Ontario, we have freeways where the spacing between 2 exits is 20 km.

[optimusREIM]

One intermediary access is enough. To the point about the directional ramps made by Bomberjet, I've always been confused about the way they depicted the directional ramp myself, because in the long run, that isn't the biggest volume of traffic. I would have to assume highest numbers/most useful configuration would be perimeter NB to HBP WB. Honestly, probably don't need a second one beyond that.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

One intermediary access is enough. To the point about the directional ramps made by Bomberjet, I've always been confused about the way they depicted the directional ramp myself, because in the long run, that isn't the biggest volume of traffic. I would have to assume highest numbers/most useful configuration would be perimeter NB to HBP WB. Honestly, probably don't need a second one beyond that.

It depends on the truck volume coming out of there. Again, if this were designed by MTO, they would have Perimeter NB to HBP WB (and vice versa) be the main travel lanes.

[Wpgstvsouth94]

Does anyone know who ended up winning the award for PTH 100 and Highway three interchange?

[plrh]

Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94

Does anyone know who ended up winning the award for PTH 100 and Highway three interchange?

The bid goes in on November 12th, with low bidder to be notified by the 21st. I heard that one of the 3 prequalified bidders dropped out, so there will only be 2 bids.

[Wpgstvsouth94]

Originally Posted by plrh

The bid goes in on November 12th, with low bidder to be notified by the 21st. I heard that one of the 3 prequalified bidders dropped out, so there will only be 2 bids.

Weird I wonder why they dropped out.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by plrh

The bid goes in on November 12th, with low bidder to be notified by the 21st. I heard that one of the 3 prequalified bidders dropped out, so there will only be 2 bids.

That seems super fast for something that's taken a billion years to be developed. 9 days to award?? Haha

I'm assuming there's been intermediate presentations and meetings along the way.

[plrh]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

That seems super fast for something that's taken a billion years to be developed. 9 days to award?? Haha

I'm assuming there's been intermediate presentations and meetings along the way.

Technical submissions have already been submitted. It's just the money left to figure out. It won't be a public opening, so it might be a while before the winner is announced. However, it will begin in the spring regardless of who it is.

[plrh]

Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94

Weird I wonder why they dropped out.

I'm guessing that it is hard to get nationwide GCs to come to Winnipeg for projects as small as this one. There are a lot of big companies that have zero interest in working here when they could be working on some of the big jobs out west. Or maybe they got a big job somewhere else and are at capacity? I don't really know.

[cllew]

Originally Posted by plrh

I'm guessing that it is hard to get nationwide GCs to come to Winnipeg for projects as small as this one. There are a lot of big companies that have zero interest in working here when they could be working on some of the big jobs out west. Or maybe they got a big job somewhere else and are at capacity? I don't really know.

And yet the Concordia / HWY 59 interchange renewal project had the lowest tender bid from Julmac Contracting Ltd who is a company based in eastern Canada.

I have never heard of Julmac before now, but they beat out PCL and MD Steele for the project.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by plrh

Technical submissions have already been submitted. It's just the money left to figure out. It won't be a public opening, so it might be a while before the winner is announced. However, it will begin in the spring regardless of who it is.

Makes sense.

Ill ask around about who dropped out and why.

[plrh]

Originally Posted by cllew

And yet the Concordia / HWY 59 interchange renewal project had the lowest tender bid from Julmac Contracting Ltd who is a company based in eastern Canada.

I have never heard of Julmac before now, but they beat out PCL and MD Steele for the project.

They are a bit of a mystery to us. They had some jobs go sideways on the east coast according to a news search I did. I think they are a bridge contractor, more like MD Steele than like PCL. I think they are working with someone local. That job had a lot of concrete and asphalt on it so there might be a lot of subbed work. There's a pretty good chance they won't get award because PCL was very close behind them.

[cllew]

Originally Posted by plrh

They are a bit of a mystery to us. They had some jobs go sideways on the east coast according to a news search I did. I think they are a bridge contractor, more like MD Steele than like PCL. I think they are working with someone local. That job had a lot of concrete and asphalt on it so there might be a lot of subbed work. There's a pretty good chance they won't get award because PCL was very close behind them.

Looks like PCL was $900,000.00 more in round figures.


If Julmac did get the contract, then it would sort of be like when Flatiron Construction Canada from BC won the interchange contract at the intersection of PTH 59 and PTH 101 contract and subbed out a lot of the work locally.

[bomberjet]

There's enough larger companies around who have interest in Manitoba. But ya maybe Mcgillivray wasnt large enough. I could go on about it. But when there's money available, people will come. We've worked with Spanish companies frequently on large design-build and P3 projects, for example.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

It depends on the truck volume coming out of there. Again, if this were designed by MTO, they would have Perimeter NB to HBP WB (and vice versa) be the main travel lanes.

CCW/Perimeter is currently setup for large truck volumes for all directions of travel except SB to WB. There is a current flow for SB to WB but it is a stop sign across four lanes of CCW. If I recall correctly there was a design plan to add a SB to WB ramp if/when there is demand. It feels like a really odd cost cutting choice when the EB to SB flow was built out to the point that currently unused bridges were built.

[bomberjet]

They will complete the cloverleaf and add another bridge for collecting the 2 loops. If they did decide to do with a directional ramp to the headingley bypass, it would obviously be something different. I think this may be why there's nothing built on that east side.

Conversely, there is an unused bridge sitting on the west side of the railway overpass for the bypass traffic. It was built for constructability ease which is not the norm.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Biff

It is only to pre-qualified - Graham, Green Infrastructure Partners Inc, and PCL

Is there any more info as to a) who dropped out, and b) who are the engineering consultants, etc on these teams?

My googling hasnt brought up any results except for Biffs post haha

From my understanding, it'd be either Graham or PCL team that dropped out. And based on my knowledge of those two, it'd be Graham.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by cllew

And yet the Concordia / HWY 59 interchange renewal project had the lowest tender bid from Julmac Contracting Ltd who is a company based in eastern Canada.

I have never heard of Julmac before now, but they beat out PCL and MD Steele for the project.

You have a link to share for this cllew?

Edit: Here https://www.merx.com/mbgov/cityofwinnipe...ted-Works-Contract-2/0000300728?origin=0

[bomberjet]

I noticed the McGillivray Interchange project section was updated on the MTI website. Timelines align with what's been discussed here. Construction start in 2026.

https://www.gov.mb.ca/mti/hpd/pth100/index.html
Timeline
June 2021 McGillivray Boulevard Interchange Project Announced
May 2023 Contract awarded to WSP Canada Inc. for Owner's Engineer Work
December 2023 Complete Interim Phase – Phase 1 – Project Preparation/Confirmation of Project Plan
February 2024 Stage 2 Engagement: Refined roadway and structure design presented and collect feedback collected
2024-2025 Procurement of Design Build Contract, from Request for Proposal Qualification (RFPQ) stage to Request for Proposal (RFP) stage
Late 2025 Award of the Design Build Contract
2026-2029 Detailed Design and Construction
Fall 2029 Traffic Availability Target Date
Summer 2030 Construction Completion

There's also a set of drawing which I'm not sure I've seen. They're from summer 2024. Nothing new really. But shows the project layout.

https://www.gov.mb.ca/mti/hpd/pth100/pdf...ned_functional_design_roadworks_plan.pdf

[Biff]

Originally Posted by cllew

And yet the Concordia / HWY 59 interchange renewal project had the lowest tender bid from Julmac Contracting Ltd who is a company based in eastern Canada.

I have never heard of Julmac before now, but they beat out PCL and MD Steele for the project.

Originally Posted by bomberjet

You have a link to share for this cllew?

Edit: Here https://www.merx.com/mbgov/cityofwinnipe...ted-Works-Contract-2/0000300728?origin=0

PCL won the bid on this project...strange though only on "Part 1" - $18,267,178.71

I am not exactly sure how they are awarding the "Part 2" or when. Strange award process on this one.