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Old Posted Oct 15, 2025, 8:43 PM
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Wish they could take that money for the BC Place renovation and build a CFL stadium in Halifax instead.

I wonder why BC Place has never sold naming rights ?
At some point Halifax and Nova Scotia are going to have to suck it up and put something resembling a stadium in that city. You would think with Halifax having the CPL Wanderers, Women's team the Tides, University ball and now with the new CFL field dimensions a possible CFL team that it would be more than feasible to get it done?

They apparently had a deal done with Telus (even had signs built) but there was backlash about BC Place being "iconic" and it was scrapped
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Since we are sharing our local ballparks, this is the oldest continually used baseball grounds in the world, Labatt Park in London.



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Old Posted Oct 16, 2025, 12:46 AM
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Having only 20% of your CFL teams being profitable is a lot different than having 45% of MLS teams being profitable, but more importantly, MLS is trending upwards. Ten years ago, MLS as a whole, was losing money. Today the league is profitable, with team valuations skyrocketing, averaging 700 million. That rise in value indicates that the sports industry has huge confidence in the league.

Contrast that to the CFL where team values have stagnated or dropped steadily for many years now. The CFL commissioner has admitted that this direction the league continues to go in is not sustainable, as in the league is headed to folding.

The rule changes are drastic, but the CFL is clearly desperate and this is really its last gasps to survive.

I'll admit that I am not a CFL fan, and I would love to have an NFL team in Vancouver, so if the CFL were to die...

BC Place meets NFL standards so there is a suitable venue, and I know people will say the money isn't there, but with an ownership group, the money is there.

The NFL would certainly want to tap a new NFL crazy market of 40 million people.
That's a good one.

On the 1% chance that someone in Vancouver would pony up at least $5 billion Canadian to purchase an expansion team, they would have to invest another $2.5 billion Canadian into a brand new 60,000 seat stadium. BC Place in no way shape or form meets any of the standards demanded for a modern CFL stadium including capacity, number of suites, club seats/club areas, social areas, training facilities, therapy rooms, media/coaching rooms...and the list would go on and on. It's a small, dated stadium that had its last significant reno nearly 15 years ago.
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At some point Halifax and Nova Scotia are going to have to suck it up and put something resembling a stadium in that city. You would think with Halifax having the CPL Wanderers, Women's team the Tides, University ball and now with the new CFL field dimensions a possible CFL team that it would be more than feasible to get it done?

They apparently had a deal done with Telus (even had signs built) but there was backlash about BC Place being "iconic" and it was scrapped
Nova Scotia and Halifax have had much bigger fish to fry for a long time. The past 30-ish years have been particularly tough for the province, up until relatively recently. A lot of the increased tax revenues from the boom have been going where it matters (expanding transportation infrastructure, new schools, transit planning, bridge rehabilitation, etc), but I suspect if they remain on a good trajectory, we will see more interest in funding a stadium.

I hope that the CFL is trying to get involved with the new Wanderers stadium project, since accommodating for both the CFL and CPL is going to be significantly easier now.
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That's a good one.

On the 1% chance that someone in Vancouver would pony up at least $5 billion Canadian to purchase an expansion team, they would have to invest another $2.5 billion Canadian into a brand new 60,000 seat stadium. BC Place in no way shape or form meets any of the standards demanded for a modern CFL stadium including capacity, number of suites, club seats/club areas, social areas, training facilities, therapy rooms, media/coaching rooms...and the list would go on and on. It's a small, dated stadium that had its last significant reno nearly 15 years ago.
What is the minumum capacity allowed for an nfl stadium? and club seats club areas? training facilities, etc.
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On the 1% chance that someone in Vancouver would pony up at least $5 billion Canadian to purchase an expansion team, they would have to invest another $2.5 billion Canadian into a brand new 60,000 seat stadium.
Long ago when the Bills were for sale and there were people in Toronto interested there was an interview on Prime Time Sports with a former MLSE exec. He said contrary to popular belief there were bean counters at MLSE who weren't hot on the idea and that it would take at least 20 years to show a ROI. These people weren't cheerleaders and wannabees they were more interested in the corporate bottom line and obligations to shareholders

I'm not sure what rules they have for ownership now, single entity or how they do it but I think it has been relaxed somewhat. The people making the big money in the NFL are all those old owners and their families with the original teams who paid barely anything on entry. The costs with inflation for building a stadium have gotten even worse now let alone the cost of the franchise.

With Carney and Trump so buddy buddy it won't be long before the NFL wannabees starting trolling the CFL again and we're back to the way it used to be
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What is the minumum capacity allowed for an nfl stadium? and club seats club areas? training facilities, etc.
Soldier Field is the smallest at 61,500 and there are 18 stadiums below 70k. Of the last 5 built in the last 15 years they are between 65-71k which seems to be the sweet spot.

With the party areas and prime seating etc the number of seats is no longer the indicator of profitability.
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Nova Scotia and Halifax have had much bigger fish to fry for a long time. The past 30-ish years have been particularly tough for the province, up until relatively recently. A lot of the increased tax revenues from the boom have been going where it matters (expanding transportation infrastructure, new schools, transit planning, bridge rehabilitation, etc), but I suspect if they remain on a good trajectory, we will see more interest in funding a stadium.

I hope that the CFL is trying to get involved with the new Wanderers stadium project, since accommodating for both the CFL and CPL is going to be significantly easier now.
I would say that 1990-2005 or so was grim but then 2005-2015 was okay and 2015-2025 was pretty good, with part of that period being boom times when Halifax had some of the highest growth in the country. NS finances today are probably not much worse than Ontario or Quebec although that's still with taxes that are somewhat punishing and uncompetitive.

There was funding secured for a CFL-ready stadium for the Halifax Commonwealth Games bid in the late 2000's, but costs ballooned (let's build a velodrome, etc. etc.) and the province pulled the plug. I think the CFL-related promoters have done a lot of damage to the project for many years by proposing ill-conceived complicated schemes in bad locations. I believe the project could have been completed by now if it had been promoted more like the Wanderers, with a community stadium for diverse users built on common land. Actually now that I think of it, the municipality also offered something like $70M in stadium funding plus the potential of free land in the 2010's and it went nowhere in part because the CFL people wanted a large mixed-use complex in Shannon Park, to be served by a new ferry and so on.

Another factor is that football and the CFL just aren't as high a priority or as culturally relevant in NS/Halifax as in Western Canada or, say, Regina, as one example. Hockey is far more popular. I believe projects like parks and bike lanes are inherently more popular, although Halifax should have some kind of large-ish stadium at this point. As a city grows it makes sense to have larger facilities even if they only appeal to 50% or 20%.
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Another factor is that football and the CFL just aren't as high a priority or as culturally relevant in NS/Halifax as in Western Canada or, say, Regina, as one example. Hockey is far more popular. I believe projects like parks and bike lanes are inherently more popular, although Halifax should have some kind of large-ish stadium at this point. As a city grows it makes sense to have larger facilities even if they only appeal to 50% or 20%.
I think it would be hard to be culturally relevant for something that isn't there, it's kind of a chicken/egg type of thing.

The city doesn't seem real keen on helping the Wanderers either with their slow walking and until a potential CFL owner comes forward it's pretty hard to gauge popularity.
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2025, 7:12 PM
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I think it would be hard to be culturally relevant for something that isn't there, it's kind of a chicken/egg type of thing.
That is fair but my point isn't so much that there isn't a football team, it's that football isn't so prominent in the local/regional culture. My high school in Halifax (years ago) didn't have a football team for example. There were hockey and rugby teams, and they were not really all that popular as you see in the USA.

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The city doesn't seem real keen on helping the Wanderers either with their slow walking and until a potential CFL owner comes forward it's pretty hard to gauge popularity.
I am not sure they are slow-walking it. It looks like the usual over bureaucratization and managerialism resulting in decision paralysis, scope-creep, and poorly defined goals. Lately, HRM council cannot seem to implement anything in a reasonable period of time. Unfortunately, this seems to be pretty normal in Canada and is getting worse. A project that would have been $60M and taken 2 years in 2005 is $300M in 2025 and takes 8 years (official inflation is only a little over 50%).
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At some point Halifax and Nova Scotia are going to have to suck it up and put something resembling a stadium in that city. You would think with Halifax having the CPL Wanderers, Women's team the Tides, University ball and now with the new CFL field dimensions a possible CFL team that it would be more than feasible to get it done?

They apparently had a deal done with Telus (even had signs built) but there was backlash about BC Place being "iconic" and it was scrapped
Unlike the arena where the Canucks play, BC Place was built with government money, ergo it stand to reason the name should reflect that.
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^Yeah but why not get some “free” money for the government by selling the naming rights?
The Saddledome was built with government money but still signed agreements to carry a corporate name (Canadian Airlines, Pengrowth, Scotiabank).
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And "BC Place" is pretty generic (says the guy still attached to "Civic Centre", refusing to call it TD Place Arena).
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While we're talking baseball, shoutout to Winnipeg's baseball stadium, home of the Goldeyes.
Without a doubt the best outdoor baseball stadium in Canada.

All the seats are for individuals with no bench seating.

The concourse is completely open to the field of play while be covered by the 30 suites above.

Craft beer corner was down the left field stands a few years ago.

Clay Oven restaurant overlooks the field at Suite Level.
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What is the minumum capacity allowed for an nfl stadium? and club seats club areas? training facilities, etc.
Minimum 60,000

Suites: around 100

Club seats: Around 6000 is the lowest I could find but almost all of them are 8000 and above. Those club seats are divided among several different clubs...there are usually 6 - 10 clubs in each stadium.
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First of the structure for Scotia Place is starting to poke above grade! Lots of good updates on SRC.

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Lansdowne 2.0 cost stays put at $419M as city reveals builder
EBC Inc. named as successful bidder as council prepares for vote on Nov. 7
Arthur White-Crummey CBC News October 20, 2025

The City of Ottawa has named EBC Inc. as the successful bidder to build Lansdowne 2.0, as the project moves toward a final decision at council with a total cost that has barely budged in two years.

But the city is also banking on greater revenue to offset those costs, with the sale of air rights for two towers on the site raising about $25 million more than expected.

Mayor Mark Sutcliffe held a news conference Monday to discuss the project, just hours before a final report was set to go public in the afternoon. He said the new numbers confirm that Lansdowne is "a terrific investment for the people of Ottawa."

"We put it out to the marketplace and we asked people to bid on the construction," he said. "We got several bids and all of them were very, very close to the projected Class A estimate that we had done at the city."

According to Sutcliffe, the actual construction costs are now $313 million dollars, while the total project cost is now set at $418.8 million.

That's almost precisely the same $419-million estimate revealed in a previous 2023 report. At that time, the construction costs were pegged at $316 million.

But Sutcliffe said the welcome surprise on air rights means that, after accounting for all revenues generated by the project, the net cost to taxpayers will be $130.7 million.

"That's a lot of value," he said. "We get a brand new event centre, brand new north side stands, a much more environmentally friendly facility and millions of dollars toward affordable housing, all at less than one-third of the cost."
Successful bidder named

The report released Monday afternoon named EBC Inc. as the successful bidder for construction of the new event centre, north side stadium stands, city parking and public realm enhancements.

EBC is based in Quebec and worked on projects such as the expansion of the Percival-Molson Stadium in Montreal and the Brossard Aquatic Complex, as well as the ambulatory centre for the University of Montreal Hospital Centre.

Its last major project in Ottawa was work on the Ottawa Art Gallery.

The report is set to come to a meeting of council’s finance and corporate services committee on Oct. 29, before heading to council for a vote on Nov. 7.

It will be the last chance for councillors to decide whether the project goes forward.

The project has already cleared several hurdles at city hall, including a 2023 concept plan and financial model that laid out how the city plans to pay for the project.

It would rely on a combination of debt, retail earnings, property tax uplift and a ticket surcharge. But one of the big unknowns was the sale of air rights on the towers, which the city planned to sell to a private developer.

The previous estimate was $39 million. But on Monday, Sutcliffe said that the city has raised about $65 million through that sale, allowing it to put more money toward Lansdowne 2.0 and an extra $5 million toward affordable housing.

"There was significant interest. We had a very conservative number two years ago, and that's been proven by the outcome," Sutcliffe said.

Monday's report also revealed the name of the preferred bidder on the air rights: Mirabella Development Corporation, a company based in Toronto.
Waiting will cost more, mayor warns

Sutcliffe has argued that it would be more expensive to put off the project, as what he casts as obsolete and decrepit facilities at TD Place make holding events there less attractive.

"If we wait, we'll spend more and we'll get less. If we invest now, we'll spend less and we'll get a lot more," he said on Monday.

But the plan has attracted dedicated opposition, with critics arguing that the city is taking on colossal financial risk for a project that will remove green space, reduce seating capacity and increase ticket prices.

Lansdowne 2.0 would replace the arena with an event centre with seating capacity for 5,500 people at hockey games and 6,500 at concert events, according to site plan documents, less than the current seating for 9,500 at TD Place Arena.

It would also demolish and rebuild the north side stadium stands, which would reduce seating capacity from 14,000 to 11,200, according to the site plans.

One of the leading critics of the project, Capital ward Coun. Shawn Menard, attended the mayor's news conference on Monday. In his view, Sutcliffe is greatly understating the actual cost of the project.

"The mayor is not being accurate in communicating that," he said. "The price tag is $483 million. The mayor did not include the extra costs for the retail podium, which are going up to $44 million, and he did not include the $19-million parking cost that the city is building for the residential towers."

He said the mayor's argument that the city will only foot one-third of the bill rests on a lot of assumptions.

"It assumes that this deal ... will produce the results 50 years from now," Menard said. "No one can predict that, and the risks that have been identified independently here certainly show that it's not likely to turn out, just as Lansdowne 1.0 didn't turn out on the revenue side."
Net losses every year

Sutcliffe said he wanted to correct misinformation about the project. He said the first Lansdowne redevelopment was a great success, boosting visitor numbers and creating a vibrant attraction that drives employment and tourism.

Lansdowne is currently operated through a partnership between the city, which owns the buildings, and Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group, which owns sports franchises like the Ottawa Redblacks and Ottawa 67's.

The partnership has posted net losses every year since it started operations a decade ago, and has never distributed a payment to the city.

Under the current arrangement, it's not expected to ever do so. Sutcliffe has framed the redevelopment plan as a chance to make the partnership financially sustainable.

In 2024, the city promised to post the solicitation documents in their entirety when the construction tender was issued. That never happened, with the city’s chief procurement officer telling CBC that the documents were shared exclusively with pre-qualified bidders.

That same year, Coun. Wilson Lo also directed staff to release the final report on Lansdowne 2.0 as soon as possible, and ideally 30 days before the council vote.
Leiper 'deeply disappointed'

Coun. Jeff Leiper called on Sutcliffe to delay the vote. There are now fewer than 20 days to the council vote, and just eight days until a key committee meeting where delegates can speak out about the project. Leiper said that just isn't enough time for real scrutiny.

He criticized the mayor for holding his news conference before the report was made available to the public or council, and faulted Sutcliffe for calling analysis from concerned citizens "misinformation."

"I’m deeply disappointed in how this process has unfolded, and in the disregard shown for Council by revealing staff recommendations early," he posted on BlueSky. "This isn’t how collaborative government works, and it undermines trust in both City staff and the democratic process. "

Ottawa's auditor general Nathalie Gougeon said she's also waiting for the documents, and has been unable to finalize the latest installment of her audit into the project. It is expected early next month.
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Another of my Calgary concepts: 25k all red seats, no upper deck, modern exterior cladding.

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