City Murder Rates - Page 218

ssiguy · #**4341** Posted **Sep 13, 2025, 5:54 PM**

Toronto {3.3 million} just hit 30.

Tom In Chicago · #**4342** Posted **Sep 15, 2025, 1:37 PM**

^Which is kinda ironic that I just saw an ad for a television show Law & Order Toronto. . . "really?" I thought to myself. . .

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Wigs · #**4343** Posted **Sep 15, 2025, 5:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tom In Chicago

^Which is kinda ironic that I just saw an ad for a television show Law & Order Toronto. . . "really?" I thought to myself. . .

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Canada's largest city is going to have similar problems that come with a large 3 million plus population city. Even if Toronto's run down or "ghetto" looking areas don't look as scary as a similar sized American city like Chicago.

If you want to make people from Toronto or southern Ontario recoil or wince, just mention Toronto neighbourhoods like Regent Park, Jane & Finch, or St. James Town.

Mount Dennis is a relatively newer addition to the known higher crime neighbourhoods of Toronto.

Per capita homicides are substantially lower than any major American city, obviously.

What scares most Canadians is the proliferation of guns. Many homicides used to be done with knives or other methods. Some people are making a killing selling guns (most likely smuggled from USA) so others can do killings.

I used ChatGPT so errors are possible

It appears the worst year for Chicago was 1992, and the worst year for Toronto was 2018.
It should be noted that the 1970s generally had the highest violent crime rates per capita for many Canadian cities, even if homicides were lower.

The American city I'm most familiar with and consider to be "my 2nd hometown" is Buffalo, NY. As the population is slowly rebounding homicides and most violent crimes are decreasing

mrnyc · #**4344** Posted **Sep 15, 2025, 7:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tom In Chicago

^Which is kinda ironic that I just saw an ad for a television show Law & Order Toronto. . . "really?" I thought to myself. . .

. . .

well there is a ncis: sydney since 2023.

i saw ads slapped all over busses and trams in melbourne.

i'm holding out for degrassi high: staten island.

Wigs · #**4345** Posted **Sep 15, 2025, 7:52 PM**

Sydney has so much foreign billionaire and multimillionaire money flowing in, even Crypto Bro arseholes, it's perfect for murders of intrigue haha. Also one of the most attractive looking harbour locations on the planet.

Keep your hands off Degrassi

I used to watch the older series episodes immediately after school.

Northern Light · #**4346** Posted **Sep 15, 2025, 8:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tom In Chicago

^Which is kinda ironic that I just saw an ad for a television show Law & Order Toronto. . . "really?" I thought to myself. . .

. . .

They only shoot 10 episodes per season......so its vaguely realistic in that regard.

Of course, in that context, the two homicide detective would be catching up to 1/3 of all cases this year.

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Side note, for the U.S. L&O in NY, you have two homicide detectives who catch 20+cases a year...........more than a stretch........but all prosecuted by the same prosecutor! 20 homicide trials a year........ LOL

Sometimes fiction remains stranger than truth.

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For more info on the Canadian show:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_%26_Order_Toronto:_Criminal_Intent

or

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt27954448/

iheartthed · #**4347** Posted **Sep 16, 2025, 3:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Northern Light

T
Side note, for the U.S. L&O in NY, you have two homicide detectives who catch 20+cases a year...........more than a stretch........but all prosecuted by the same prosecutor! 20 homicide trials a year........ LOL

Sometimes fiction remains stranger than truth.

I doubt that more than half of homicide cases in NYC get to trial within a year.

Gresto · #**4348** Posted **Sep 16, 2025, 9:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wigs

Keep your hands off Degrassi

I used to watch the older series episodes immediately after school.

I still repeatedly watch old episodes of Junior and High for sentimental reasons. The show really brings me back to better times. The earlier incarnation, Kids of Degrassi, was a tad amateurish, though I love the evocatively sad opening theme and collage of autumnal photos.
To me, anything Degrassi when CTV took over is worthless.

ssiguy · #**4349** Posted **Sep 19, 2025, 2:45 AM**

I never knew you guys got any Canadian shows. How do you watch them, on Netflix or do your cable companies run a lot of international programming?

Remember Law & Order Toronto is nothing but a make believe TV show designed exclusively, like all programs, to bring in money for the producers so they will show what they think will get the best viewership whether it reflects reality or not.

Six Corners · #**4350** Posted **Sep 19, 2025, 3:25 AM**

I think the show that takes the cake for most unrealistic setting for solving murders is Psych. It was set in Santa Barbara, CA, a city that sees 3 murders in its worst years. The show typically filmed 16 episodes per season and it ran for 8 seasons. That means for those 8 years, the city had at least 400% more murders than normal and a murder rate of 18/100K, which would be higher than that of Oakland in the years right before Covid.

niwell · #**4351** Posted **Sep 19, 2025, 1:13 PM**

Similar to SVU, most of the Law and Order Toronto cases are loosely based off of real events. Lots of creative liberties taken of course, and not all of the events featured murder in reality.

Blitz · #**4352** Posted **Sep 19, 2025, 2:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Six Corners

I think the show that takes the cake for most unrealistic setting for solving murders is Psych. It was set in Santa Barbara, CA, a city that sees 3 murders in its worst years. The show typically filmed 16 episodes per season and it ran for 8 seasons. That means for those 8 years, the city had at least 400% more murders than normal and a murder rate of 18/100K, which would be higher than that of Oakland in the years right before Covid.

Kind of reminds me of a Canadian show called Hudson and Rex where a police detective and his dog tackle all the "crime" in St. John's, Newfoundland.

iheartthed · #**4353** Posted **Sep 19, 2025, 2:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by ssiguy

I never knew you guys got any Canadian shows. How do you watch them, on Netflix or do your cable companies run a lot of international programming?

Remember Law & Order Toronto is nothing but a make believe TV show designed exclusively, like all programs, to bring in money for the producers so they will show what they think will get the best viewership whether it reflects reality or not.

I don't think Law & Order Toronto was promoted at all in the US. I found out about it through friends from Toronto. I watched the first 1 or 2 episodes but forgot to continue. It follows the standard Law & Order format so there was nothing to really hook me other than it being set in Toronto.

Northern Light · #**4354** Posted **Sep 19, 2025, 6:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

I don't think Law & Order Toronto was promoted at all in the US. I found out about it through friends from Toronto. I watched the first 1 or 2 episodes but forgot to continue. It follows the standard Law & Order format so there was nothing to really hook me other than it being set in Toronto.

It follows the old Criminal Intent format. So very little in the way of trial settings.

Its almost entirely police procedural with a hint of legal argument here or there.

I would have preferred the classic L&O format, but I think they chose that both to keep costs down but also because that's where the most visible difference to the U.S. would be seen (lawyers wearing robes, notably, but also different terminology Summary
offense vs Misdemeanor, Indictable offense vs Felony) etc .

When they chose the format they also really ripped off the Goran and Eames.

While they changed the names, you again have a male know-it-all filled with random trivia, and a smart, but more humble female partner who checks her partners excesses.

Northern Light · #**4355** Posted **Sep 19, 2025, 6:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by ssiguy

I never knew you guys got any Canadian shows. How do you watch them, on Netflix or do your cable companies run a lot of international programming?

Remember Law & Order Toronto is nothing but a make believe TV show designed exclusively, like all programs, to bring in money for the producers so they will show what they think will get the best viewership whether it reflects reality or not.

The CW network picked it up.

SlidellWx · #**4356** Posted **Sep 20, 2025, 8:23 AM**

Here are the latest stats from New Orleans. 75 murders as 9/13/25. One of the lowest totals in decades and that includes the 14 victims in the terrorist attack on January 1st.

courtesy New Orleans Police Department

montréaliste · #**4357** Posted **Sep 20, 2025, 1:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by SlidellWx

Here are the latest stats from New Orleans. 75 murders as 9/13/25. One of the lowest totals in decades and that includes the 14 victims in the terrorist attack on January 1st.

courtesy New Orleans Police Department

Nice to see NO shedding some of that "cachet".

Northern Light · #**4358** Posted **Sep 20, 2025, 2:12 PM**

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Nice to see NO shedding some of that "cachet".

Yikes. That's an improvement?

We're roughly 3/4 through the year.........so that annualizes at just under 100 murders for the year, in a City with a population of 363,000.

That would extrapolate to over 800 homicides in Toronto, with a population of just over 3,100,000.

There would be real martial law and soliders everywhere if anything like that ever happened.

How do people become enured to such violence?

Steely Dan · #**4359** Posted **Sep 20, 2025, 3:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Northern Light

Yikes. That's an improvement?

If the aim is fewer homicides, then yes, statistically significant fewer homicides than the previous year would be considered an improvement, ie. moving in the direction of the aim.

It's not like Chicago is going to go from an average of 800 homicides per year during the peak pandemic years down to only 100 homicides in just a couple years. But the fact that this city is currently on a pace to end this year with around 450 homicides is absolutely an improvement, even if there is still a very LOOOOOOOOOOONG way to go on that front.

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How do people become enured to such violence?

Because most of it is EXTREMELY compartmentalized into a very narrow demographic.

I once read a statistic that black men between the ages of 15 and 45 account for something like 70% of the murder victims in Chicago, yet that group only accounts for 7% of the city's population.

And if you controlled that group for poverty, it would be even more extreme.

The other piece here is that it has been going on for a very long time. I'm nearly 50 years old now, and in my entire life Chicago has never had less than 400 murders in any of those years. When "same shit, different day" goes on for like 20,000 days in a row, it's not hard to see how the situation might be taken as a status quo given.

It's very similar to how most Americans completely wave off and ignore the ~40,000 people killed by cars every year.

shappy · #**4360** Posted **Sep 20, 2025, 3:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Northern Light

Yikes. That's an improvement?

We're roughly 3/4 through the year.........so that annualizes at just under 100 murders for the year, in a City with a population of 363,000.

That would extrapolate to over 800 homicides in Toronto, with a population of just over 3,100,000.

There would be real martial law and soliders everywhere if anything like that ever happened.

How do people become enured to such violence?

The superiority schtick is a bit much...