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Old Posted Sep 10, 2025, 2:23 PM
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More AC announcements:

YUL-CTA (Catania, Sicily): 3x weekly, summer seasonal (788)
YYZ-BUD: 4x weekly, summer seasonal (789)
YYZ-PVG: 4x weekly, year round (789)

YYZ-PRG: Increases from 3x -> 4x weekly
YVR-BKK: goes year round at 3x weekly

https://www.aircanada.com/media/going-gl...-canada-expands-network-for-summer-2026/
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Old Posted Sep 10, 2025, 5:46 PM
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Not specifically an airport related story per se, but it appears the new Dehavilland field east of Calgary is moving along now, with full construction starting in the spring.
Basically, it's a new manufacturing facility, but will have it's own airstrip. More back story here.

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Old Posted Sep 10, 2025, 6:27 PM
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I just saw that press release. Wow what a shock, I never would have thought PMI would be the first A321XLR route, definitely a very odd move by AC. For so many reasons. First, Mallorca is very much an inter-European destination, a quick sun holiday with a zillion cheap flights from all over Europe. I went in 2007 on a whim when me and my friends were in Barcelona, it was so cheap and super easy. But Mallorca is not a thing for North Americans, especially compared to tons of other European destinations. And 4 days a week, I would think it's more like a once a week kinda destination, if anything. And I would've thought AC would first deploy the XLR on routes it currently operates or has operated, not a totally new one right away. Within Europe I could imagine so many better routes to start with, Mallorca is so surprising. And Edinburgh is surprising as a first route, but far less so than PMI. Obviously it has operated before so that's a plus, but I wouldn't have expected it to be high on AC's list of routes to upgrade to the newest aircraft. What was it using before, 737 or a widebody? Toulouse makes sense more than the others I suppose, but even then I feel like it would support a widebody still, so wouldn't have been my first guess either, but on the opposite end of the spectrum from PMI.

It's so hard to imagine that Mallorca is more in demand than Berlin, Warsaw, Budapest, and especially Prague. They all seem far stronger as tourist and O/D markets from North America than PMI. And with the demise of CSA Czech Airlines in 2024, the timing would be good I'd think? I just never thought PMI would be the debut announcement of a new route, with soooo many potential Euro and Latin American routes, just so surprising. And YUL getting both a brand new plane type and another unique destination before YYZ? A decade ago this would be laughable. Yet another indication of AC making YUL arguably their main Euro hub. They kinda went from a clear secondary hub, to an equal hub, and now to a primary hub. It used to only be francophone cities that gave YUL uniqueness, now it's all over Europe.
The initial XLR route was pretty much guaranteed to be from YUL. Don't forget, the plane has limited range (~4500 nm. Airbus ran into problems with the rear center tank, and so I believe the advertised 4700 nm range wasn't achieved), so YUL is at an advantage compared to all of AC's other hubs when it comes to TATL service with that aircraft.

As for why PMI, it's very simple. AC is seeing healthy demand from Canada to PMI. In fact, two separate family members of mine went to PMI this year, and plan on going next year as well. It's no coincidence. AC wouldn't be launching a random route with it's XLR's. It's all been thought out.

UA was the first North American carrier to fly non stop to PMI 3 years ago. So AC isn't the first, and the fact both these carriers will be at PMI next year is proof there is North American demand to that island.

As for YYZ, AC already flies to PRG. The route began this year, 3x weekly B788. It's currently operating. As per today's PR, it will go up to 4x weekly next summer.
TS started YYZ-BER this year as well. So YYZ already has service to both those destinations. As for Budapest, well AC today just announced a return there next summer as well.

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More AC announcements:

YUL-CTA (Catania, Sicily): 3x weekly, summer seasonal (788)
YYZ-BUD: 4x weekly, summer seasonal (789)
YYZ-PVG: 4x weekly, year round (789)

YYZ-PRG: Increases from 3x -> 4x weekly
YVR-BKK: goes year round at 3x weekly

https://www.aircanada.com/media/going-gl...-canada-expands-network-for-summer-2026/
It was only a matter of time for AC to announce Sicily, and on the dreamliner to boot ! Demand is booming to that island.

I was wondering why they didn't announce both CTA and PMI yesterday. I guess they wanted the XLR TATL hype to have it's own day. Anyway, CTA will be the 5th AC destination from YUL to Italy.

When it comes to Italy, Spain, France and Portugal, AC at YUL is unbeatable in Canada, and is #2 in North America, with 14 destinations for next summer. Apart from UA at EWR (with 17 destinations), not a single North American hub airport has as many destinations in all of these 4 countries on a single carrier. And to think ~15-20 years ago, all AC had at YUL in terms of long haul was LHR, FRA and CDG ! Crazy.

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Old Posted Sep 10, 2025, 9:10 PM
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AC is up to 5x weekly summer seasonal on YYZ-CPH. They also operate YUL-CPH 4x weekly summer seasonal. Both are operated by 787.
OK cool, thanks. Will be planning to go over on a Friday in Aug 2027 so hopefully if it's still 5x weekly, Friday is one of them and that premium economy doesn't break the bank lol. Much rather a 787 than a single aisle, although if premium economy on SAS is noticeably cheaper, probably will go with that. If the current flight schedules are what they are then, AC is more favourable to me as well with a later morning arrival. 7am or so arrival seems like a lot of time to kill to check in the hotel (wherever that might be) and I doubt I'm going to sleep very much on the plane.
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It’s not just Air Canada strike 2025.

End of December WestJet’s turn with its flight attendants & along with Flair Airlines / Canadian North pilots (possibly) too.

Interesting next few months/weeks ahead in the Canada Airlines industry✅.
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2025, 8:23 AM
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The initial XLR route was pretty much guaranteed to be from YUL. Don't forget, the plane has limited range (~4500 nm. Airbus ran into problems with the rear center tank, and so I believe the advertised 4700 nm range wasn't achieved), so YUL is at an advantage compared to all of AC's other hubs when it comes to TATL service with that aircraft.

As for why PMI, it's very simple. AC is seeing healthy demand from Canada to PMI. In fact, two separate family members of mine went to PMI this year, and plan on going next year as well. It's no coincidence. AC wouldn't be launching a random route with it's XLR's. It's all been thought out.

UA was the first North American carrier to fly non stop to PMI 3 years ago. So AC isn't the first, and the fact both these carriers will be at PMI next year is proof there is North American demand to that island.

As for YYZ, AC already flies to PRG. The route began this year, 3x weekly B788. It's currently operating. As per today's PR, it will go up to 4x weekly next summer.
TS started YYZ-BER this year as well. So YYZ already has service to both those destinations. As for Budapest, well AC today just announced a return there next summer as well.



It was only a matter of time for AC to announce Sicily, and on the dreamliner to boot ! Demand is booming to that island.

I was wondering why they didn't announce both CTA and PMI yesterday. I guess they wanted the XLR TATL hype to have it's own day. Anyway, CTA will be the 5th AC destination from YUL to Italy.

When it comes to Italy, Spain, France and Portugal, AC at YUL is unbeatable in Canada, and is #2 in North America, with 14 destinations for next summer. Apart from UA at EWR (with 17 destinations), not a single North American hub airport has as many destinations in all of these 4 countries on a single carrier. And to think ~15-20 years ago, all AC had at YUL in terms of long haul was LHR, FRA and CDG ! Crazy.
Man I remember the days of the late 2000s and early 2010s where it felt like to get anywhere not LHR you took an AC flight to FRA and went on LH onwards. Even Asia was limited to just China, Japan and Korea. Things have changed so much, if you take a step back it absolutely boggles the mind. And yet YYC went from LHR/FRA/NRT to just LHR....the gap is absolutely humongous now.
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2025, 1:22 PM
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TS reports Q3 results: https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/tr...rd-quarter-of-fiscal-2025-893925468.html

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Third-quarter highlights:

- Revenues of $766.3 million, up 4.1% from $736.2 million last year
- Adjusted EBITDA1 of $81.2 million, compared to $48.0 million last year
- Net income of $399.8 million ($9.97 per share), including $345.1 million from long-term debt restructuring, compared to a net loss of $39.9 million ($1.03 per share) last year
- Negative free cash flow1 of $122.1 million, compared to negative $168.7 million last year
- Cash and cash equivalents of $357.2 million as at July 31, 2025
- Elevation Program initiatives implemented to date are on track to deliver $100M in adjusted EBITDA1 by mid-2026, in line with the objective
- Conclusion of the LEEFF debt restructuring, reducing the amount owed under the program from $762.2 million as of last quarter to $333.9 million
- Sale-leaseback transactions valued at $61.5 million for two Pratt & Whitney GTF2 engines; proceeds used to reduce debt and fund operations
So without the debt forgiveness and sale-leaseback, net income would have come in at around -$6.8 million.
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2025, 1:30 PM
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More AC announcements:

YUL-CTA (Catania, Sicily): 3x weekly, summer seasonal (788)
YYZ-BUD: 4x weekly, summer seasonal (789)
YYZ-PVG: 4x weekly, year round (789)

YYZ-PRG: Increases from 3x -> 4x weekly
YVR-BKK: goes year round at 3x weekly

https://www.aircanada.com/media/going-gl...-canada-expands-network-for-summer-2026/
More new routes. This time all out of YYZ and for winter 2025-26: https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/gl...ded-international-network-834085180.html

Confirmation that the 78X fleet will (not surprisingly) be YYZ-based.

Routes include YYZ to: GDL, PXM, CTG, PTP, LIM, GIG (aren't the latter two route restarts?).
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^ Nothing new today, per se.

All of those winter routes listed were already announced back in May and July.
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More new routes. This time all out of YYZ and for winter 2025-26: https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/gl...ded-international-network-834085180.html

Confirmation that the 78X fleet will (not surprisingly) be YYZ-based.

Routes include YYZ to: GDL, PXM, CTG, PTP, LIM, GIG (aren't the latter two route restarts?).
What is interesting is Wikipedia has updated the Air Canada page with the seating for the 78X.

42J 28W and 262 Y. That makes it the most premium heavy widebody in the fleet.

I don't fly internationally as much as I use to in years past. But when I did, I always found London, Frankfurt and Australia the most difficult to use upgrade vouchers on. The secondary cities (Rome, Geneva, Zurich etc.) were always much easier.

Given its more premium heavy I would expect it to be mostly on the routes to London and Frankfurt. I not certain it can make it to Australia from Vancouver.
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More new routes. This time all out of YYZ and for winter 2025-26: https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/gl...ded-international-network-834085180.html

Confirmation that the 78X fleet will (not surprisingly) be YYZ-based.

Routes include YYZ to: GDL, PXM, CTG, PTP, LIM, GIG (aren't the latter two route restarts?).
Yes, not too surprising (AC) Air Canada *New* Boeing 787 Dreamliner 10 fleet of planes ✈️ will be based at Toronto YYZ 1st to support AC’s YYZ hub & international flights /expansion. As the AC 787-10 has lot of premium seats 42J 28W and 262 Y according to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada_fleet

I’m sure as AC gets more deliveries of 787-10 they will rotate some of it to operate international flights from Vancouver YVR & Montreal YUL AC hubs & even on the Calgary YYC- London LHR UK route too (seasonally) ✅.
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^ Nothing new today, per se.

All of those winter routes listed were already announced back in May and July.
Ah yes, I thought I'd seem them before. The only new news is the location of the 78Xs, which would only be shocking if it wasn't at YYZ, lol.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2025, 9:29 PM
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Given its more premium heavy I would expect it to be mostly on the routes to London and Frankfurt. I not certain it can make it to Australia from Vancouver.
It can't.

YVR-SYD: 6,741nm + headwinds
YVR-BNE: 6,388nm + headwinds

B787-10 range (no winds): 6,330nm.

In real world conditions, anything more than ~5,700nm is a no go on the B78X.


There was talk of Boeing developing a HGW 787-10 for NZ. Don't know what is happening on that front. But as of now, the 560,000lb MTOW 787-10 can't do YVR-Australia.
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It’s not just Air Canada strike 2025.

End of December WestJet’s turn with its flight attendants & along with Flair Airlines / Canadian North pilots (possibly) too.

Interesting next few months/weeks ahead in the Canada Airlines industry✅.
End of December will be particularly awful, between domestic holiday travel and winter travel to sun destinations.

I have a flight from YYZ to YVR on Flair between Christmas and New Years, hopefully they get this sorted out by then.
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Another weekly update, and once again more Mexico added, with additional flights added on YYC-CUN/PVR/SJD, YEG-CUN/PVR, YVR-CUN/PVR, and YYZ-AUA (I know not Mexico).
Anecdotally it appears to me that demand from Canadians to Mexico is going up, likely related to avoiding US travel. I go back and forth there multiple times per year and I just booked a flight with Flair, I wish I’d booked two weeks ago when it was $150 cheaper; I suspect demand is leading to prices going up. From YVR, Air Canada is more expensive than it has been in the past two years, and Aeromexico has absolutely skyrocketed since last winter, I was seeing round trips from YVR to MEX starting at $1,700 for this fall. I paid less than half that a year ago.
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End of December will be particularly awful, between domestic holiday travel and winter travel to sun destinations.

I have a flight from YYZ to YVR on Flair between Christmas and New Years, hopefully they get this sorted out by then.
A WS FA strike isn’t likely until the spring. Their contract expires December 31?
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A WS FA strike isn’t likely until the spring. Their contract expires December 31?
Yes Flair & Air North pilots current contract expires December 31.
Same for WestJet flights attendants contract too.

It will be a very interesting time end of December into early 2026 for these 3 airlines ✈️ in Canada✅.
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LUFTHANSA NW25 INTERCONTINENTAL SERVICE CHANGES – 11SEP25

Lufthansa this week filed latest update to its planned intercontinental network for Northern winter 2025/26 season, which sees the airline ramps up Boeing 787-9 service entry on various routes. Planned changes as of 11SEP25 include the following.

Frankfurt – Toronto eff 26OCT25 787-9 service maintained, replacing A340-300. 1 daily

Munich – Montreal eff 26OCT25 Increase from initially filed 4 weekly to 5 weekly, A350-900

Frankfurt – Vancouver eff 26OCT25 Reduce from initially filed 1 daily to 6 weekly, A340-300

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/250912-lhnw25inc
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Some Porter sun changes.

YOW-LIR up to 4x weekly, Thursday flight added eff 08JAN26
YOW-NAS up to 2x weekly, Wednesday flight added
YOW-PVR is up to 4x weekly, with a Sunday flight added from 04JAN26 (this flight was added recently but only for a handful of weeks in Feb/March, so it's been extended)

YHM-NAS 2x weekly has been cancelled, with those frequencies shifting to YHM-FLL bringing it to 5x weekly.
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YUL July 2025

https://www.admtl.com/file?v=d0e604c5-9477-4ea4-9c5a-d85da91db2c0&mod=preview

Domestic 694,422 +1.3%
Transborder: 477,468 -8.7%
International: 1,167,819 +3.4%

July 2025 Total: 2,339,709 +0.1%

YTD column info seems to not have been updated, so haven't included it.

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