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Or depending on the situation with Russia, maybe PEK. More Europe make sense, but where in Europe though? From YYC there is already Rome, Barcelona, Paris, London, Edinburgh, Dublin, Zurich, Amsterdam, Frankfurt and Munich. Athens or Lisbon?
They have a warm relationship with Skyteam members for some reason. The key Skyteam hub that is missing is Copenhagen. That would provide additional connections through Northern Europe in partnership with SAS.
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Good grief. That sounds horrible.
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Good grief. That sounds horrible.
Copenhagen? What about it is horrible.
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Much like LHR (where WS can count its blessings and thank Russia and the pandemic for even being able to secure one slot pair), WS won’t be able to get slots into LIS. It’s a single runway airport, with all peak time slots taken. Maybe secondary airports, like Faro or Porto.
They could still do off peak hours to Lisbon. I'm not betting they will but it's not out the realm of possibilities. Faro or Porto would be good, not as ideal as Lisbon, but still good.

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Anyway, none of this is important right now, as the 787s are only a fraction of the order WS made. The majority of the order is for MAX 10’s
At the end of the day it's still 7 new 787's which means new international routes are coming, no matter how you look at it, it's still exciting and important.
The majority of the order might be Max 10's, but not all will not all be for new routes. They'll be eventual replacements for the older 737s, and maybe some new routes.
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Maybe they think they can get away with it by continuing with the current policy of allowing main cabin guests to the use the forward lavatory whilst main cabin service carts are in the aisle. I do find that the premium cabin can feel a bit hectic when there’s more traffic than usual coming in from the other side of the curtain.
That's a miserable experience for business class customers. Hard to drive yield at the front of the plane when there's a line up for that lav too.

That is if they can even squeeze a few business seats into a 212 seat 737.

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Copenhagen? What about it is horrible.
Pretty sure that was in reference to the 212 seat max 10s.
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They could still do off peak hours to Lisbon. I'm not betting they will but it's not out the realm of possibilities. Faro or Porto would be good, not as ideal as Lisbon, but still good.
I used the words ''peak times'' very loosely. Let me clarify:

During summer season, LIS has 0 arrival/departure slots available from 5am until 11pm on every single day of the week, except on sundays, where a few slots are available between 10-11pm.

https://slotsapi.nav.pt/uploads/slot...TSALS25LIS.pdf

Jetblue can't get access to LIS and is thinking of suing. It worked at AMS, but it's not going to work at LIS. Amsterdam wanted to reduce capacity. That goes against the spirit of open skies. LIS is doing no such thing. They are at capacity due to lack of runways. Can't see Jetblue winning this one.

https://www.altexsoft.com/travel-ind...ot-rejections/

The situation isn't changing anytime soon. New airport isn't planned to be operational for another ~9 years, at the earliest.

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YYC is getting one for Rwy 35L/17R in December. Will be nice during low vis ops with snow removal.
You're getting a conventional CAT II on 17R/35L. Not an SA CAT II.

Proper lighting and all.

That's one thing I'm liking about YYC. When it comes time to repave their runways, YYC is doing it the right way. Adding ALSF2s, touchdown zone lights and centerline lighting.

YUL has started repaving 06R/24L by sections. Did they plan on doing the same? Absolutely not.

Idiots.

Heck they repaved 06L/24R recently and didn't bother adding rapid exit taxiway lights for the high speed exits on 24R. Result: Runway occupancy times are atrocious on 24R at night for planes wanting to exit B2. Too many blue taxiway lights in that area. Planes can't spot the exit properly so they slowdown to a crawl on the runway. It would have been a non-issue with rapid exit lights installed.

I get that for secondary or regional airports, installing the lighting associated with CAT II or III ops is a big expense. But at the 4 majors, every single runway should have centerline lights, TDZL and ALSF2s. It's ridiculous that an airport as busy as YUL isn't investing in that during repaving.

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I used the words ''peak times'' very loosely. Let me clarify:

During summer season, LIS has 0 arrival/departure slots available from 5am until 11pm on every single day of the week, except on sundays, where a few slots are available between 10-11pm.

https://slotsapi.nav.pt/uploads/slot...TSALS25LIS.pdf

Jetblue can't get access to LIS and is thinking of suing. If worked at AMS, but it's not going to work at LIS. Amsterdam wanted to reduce capacity. That goes against the spirit of open skies. LIS is doing no such thing. They are at capacity due to lack of runways. Can't see Jetblue winning this one.

https://www.altexsoft.com/travel-ind...ot-rejections/

The situation isn't changing anytime soon. New airport isn't planned to be operational for another ~9 years, at the earliest.
Okay that makes sense. I was wondering if there was a possibility of flights into Lisbon that arrive middle of the night, like 1:00am or something. Not really desirable, but who knows. Personally I'd rather do a connecting flight and arrive during the regular hours (6:00am to 9:00pm)
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Okay that makes sense. I was wondering if there was a possibility of flights into Lisbon that arrive middle of the night, like 1:00am or something. Not really desirable, but who knows. Personally I'd rather do a connecting flight and arrive during the regular hours (6:00am to 9:00pm)
Porto is an interesting one. There is a sizable business community in Porto served by an airport with limited service to North America.

Faro is a very different beast. Faro is mostly a gateway to beach resorts. It is an airport with lots but their on discount airlines or charters by tour companies.

WestJet may want to try either of those.
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Over the long weekend, I decided to do one of my (very time consuming) flight schedule deep dives, this time for Westjet's winter schedule. I hadn't done a W25/26 spreadsheet yet (typical lazy summer for me and I didn't have the focus for such an endeavour lol). But I was excited to do it, despite the time dedication anxiety, because it would be my first schedule following Sunwing intergration. I figured it would be a notable change for YYZ and YUL due to WG's large operations there. Conversely, I knew it would mean smaller changes at places like YVR, YEG, and YWG, because WG was not as big there. So I was curious to see what the numbers would look like like once WS actually updated schedules. Here are the raw stats and some takeaways:

-consistent with current economic and geopolitical events, we see domestic pretty flat, transborder very weak, and international gains
-In the least shocking statement ever, the capacity of the newly combined WS/WG carrier has entirely benefitted sun destinations, with most getting a boost
-the numbers to CUN (Cancun) are especially wild. I figured CUN was likely both WG and WS’s most important sun route pre-merger. So logically, post-merger it would make gains all around. Look at these numbers:

-YYZ to CUN - 36x weekly
-YVR to CUN – 18x weekly
-YEG to CUN – 17x weekly
-YUL to CUN – 13x weekly

I believe this growth far exceeds the WG absorption factor, it is a big shift. For example, in winter 2024, YVR-CUN was 9x weekly. Now it’s 18x weekly, exactly double I don’t have the stats, but I really don’t think WG was even close to 9x weekly YVR-CUN, so this increase was way more than just the merger. Mexico capacity is going up so fast as it is carrying the burden of absorbing so many pax who abandoned US travel and changed to Mexico. That is likely not permanent, and competition from other places is high, so this could settle down a bit. But for now, it’s a stampede to Mexico.

-YVR retains title of busiest base (outside of YYC) by # of flights. From Dec. ’24 to ’25, It grew from 432 weekly flights to 448 (2024 figures do not include WG flights, just WS mainline and Encore). But the growth was entirely thanks to Encore, growing from 95 to 146. Mainline shrunk from 337 to 302, resulting in approx. seat capacity going from 60,302 to 58,787 y/y. Many factors went into this:
1. A proportionally larger exposure to transborder destinations, which as we know are threatened by the US-CAN trade war and its fallout.
2. YVR traffic is easy to funnel through YYC especially during economic challenges, it makes sense for WS to be on the safe side and build up YYC and not risk too many point to point offerings (this obviously affects YEG and other western airports too). Compared to YYZ especially, which is effectively unaffected by YYC offerings (ie. WS knows it couldn’t capture YYZ to Mexico/Caribbean traffic by routing thru YYC. It has to either add YYZ service directly, or forfeit the traffic altogether). But for YVR, YYJ, YEG etc, it is a reasonable option thru YYC, and will always be a ceiling to more growth)
3. WG was far less active in Western Canada than in YYZ or YUL, and moreso in recent years. So when WG was going to integrate, it made sense there would be less automatic gains for YVR and YEG. WS wouldn’t integrate WG and use all of that capacity on airports that didn’t have it or need it before, they would keep it more or less where it was under WG, but not just under the WS banner
4. Nationally, of all main sectors (domestic, transborder, international sun, and international non-sun), sun flights seem to be the strongest performer and biggest hope for this winter. And YVR has always been the least dependent on international sun destinations, so understandable we’d see more conservative growth regardless of WG integration

This isn’t me being negative or pity party that WS is ignoring us, not at all. Just reality of the current circumstances, which can change anytime. Our transborder vulnerability now was our strength before, you take the wins and losses and hope it evens long term. It’s just the way the cookie crumbles. WS is still very strong here, especially considering the competition AC puts up.

-not surprising, YYZ enjoyed a big jump in flights and seats for the first winter season post-merger. WS operated ~333 weekly flights in Dec. 2024, and that’s jumped up to ~386 in 2025. All flights operated by 737 mainline. But while total # of weekly flights is still behind YVR, total seats jumped past. Approx. weekly YYZ seats are ~1,700 more than YVR (60,583 vs. 58,787). Again, WG was all 737 so it’s reasonable that seat counts would jump following the integration. Encore still doesn’t operate from either YYZ or YUL, so it’s a non-factor. WS at YYZ has also reduced its exposure to the transborder sector, even before the current drama. So basically the strongest airline sector (sun, non-us) was the one YYZ had the biggest stake in, so the gains totally makes sense.

-YEG had decent flight gains from 2024 (326 vs. 308), and like YVR, almost entirely Encore. But unlinke YVR, their mainline ops stayed flat, no growth or loss. So there was a minor seat gain overall, but like YVR it was muted because WG integration didn’t make a big impact. YYC’s proximity will continue to be a barrier to growth in YEG, I fear. I wish it were different and hope it is, but the fortress growth in YYC will basically stifle options for all other WS airports from MB to BC, it’s just a reality.

-Special mention to YUL, which was so insignificant in WS ops pre-merger, it was painful to even measure it. Like 27 flights per week, and only 3 domestic destinations (no international, no transborder at all). Now thanks to WG, they are at 61 weekly flights, not bad at all. WS has never succeeded in QB, this WG takeover was really their only chance at making an inroad. But we can’t forget there is huge competition from AC and even more TS, both based in YUL and with really extensive networks. Even with the WS+WG merger, they’re still far behind. It would kind of be funny if WS gets walloped by TS and AC and has to shrink their sun offerings even, then they’d really be hopeless at YUL lol. I wonder if there will be more animosity between TS and WS now that they absorbed WG and all of a sudden became a presence. I believe WS and TS still have a codeshare partnership though, it was signed before the WG takeover. And it really seemed to be more about TS transatlantic flights, and piggy backing on WS for western Canada flights since TS completely abandoned every route. But WS’s acquisition and subsequent sun growth has squared it right off with TS in their biggest markets. There can’t be much goodwill from TS towards WS, even if never made public.

If the world hasn’t ended by 2026, it will be interesting to see summer scheds for the combined WG/WS entity. Since WG was always wayyyy busier in the winter, the summer scheds probably won’t be as impacted, but who knows. It’s hard to imagine more than a month or two ahead nowadays lol
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Over the long weekend, I decided to do one of my (very time consuming) flight schedule deep dives, this time for Westjet's winter schedule. I hadn't done a W25/26 spreadsheet yet (typical lazy summer for me and I didn't have the focus for such an endeavour lol). But I was excited to do it, despite the time dedication anxiety, because it would be my first schedule following Sunwing intergration. I figured it would be a notable change for YYZ and YUL due to WG's large operations there. Conversely, I knew it would mean smaller changes at places like YVR, YEG, and YWG, because WG was not as big there. So I was curious to see what the numbers would look like like once WS actually updated schedules. Here are the raw stats and some takeaways:

-consistent with current economic and geopolitical events, we see domestic pretty flat, transborder very weak, and international gains
-In the least shocking statement ever, the capacity of the newly combined WS/WG carrier has entirely benefitted sun destinations, with most getting a boost
-the numbers to CUN (Cancun) are especially wild. I figured CUN was likely both WG and WS’s most important sun route pre-merger. So logically, post-merger it would make gains all around. Look at these numbers:

-YYZ to CUN - 36x weekly
-YVR to CUN – 18x weekly
-YEG to CUN – 17x weekly
-YUL to CUN – 13x weekly

I believe this growth far exceeds the WG absorption factor, it is a big shift. For example, in winter 2024, YVR-CUN was 9x weekly. Now it’s 18x weekly, exactly double I don’t have the stats, but I really don’t think WG was even close to 9x weekly YVR-CUN, so this increase was way more than just the merger. Mexico capacity is going up so fast as it is carrying the burden of absorbing so many pax who abandoned US travel and changed to Mexico. That is likely not permanent, and competition from other places is high, so this could settle down a bit. But for now, it’s a stampede to Mexico.

-YVR retains title of busiest base (outside of YYC) by # of flights. From Dec. ’24 to ’25, It grew from 432 weekly flights to 448 (2024 figures do not include WG flights, just WS mainline and Encore). But the growth was entirely thanks to Encore, growing from 95 to 146. Mainline shrunk from 337 to 302, resulting in approx. seat capacity going from 60,302 to 58,787 y/y. Many factors went into this:
1. A proportionally larger exposure to transborder destinations, which as we know are threatened by the US-CAN trade war and its fallout.
2. YVR traffic is easy to funnel through YYC especially during economic challenges, it makes sense for WS to be on the safe side and build up YYC and not risk too many point to point offerings (this obviously affects YEG and other western airports too). Compared to YYZ especially, which is effectively unaffected by YYC offerings (ie. WS knows it couldn’t capture YYZ to Mexico/Caribbean traffic by routing thru YYC. It has to either add YYZ service directly, or forfeit the traffic altogether). But for YVR, YYJ, YEG etc, it is a reasonable option thru YYC, and will always be a ceiling to more growth)
3. WG was far less active in Western Canada than in YYZ or YUL, and moreso in recent years. So when WG was going to integrate, it made sense there would be less automatic gains for YVR and YEG. WS wouldn’t integrate WG and use all of that capacity on airports that didn’t have it or need it before, they would keep it more or less where it was under WG, but not just under the WS banner
4. Nationally, of all main sectors (domestic, transborder, international sun, and international non-sun), sun flights seem to be the strongest performer and biggest hope for this winter. And YVR has always been the least dependent on international sun destinations, so understandable we’d see more conservative growth regardless of WG integration

This isn’t me being negative or pity party that WS is ignoring us, not at all. Just reality of the current circumstances, which can change anytime. Our transborder vulnerability now was our strength before, you take the wins and losses and hope it evens long term. It’s just the way the cookie crumbles. WS is still very strong here, especially considering the competition AC puts up.

-not surprising, YYZ enjoyed a big jump in flights and seats for the first winter season post-merger. WS operated ~333 weekly flights in Dec. 2024, and that’s jumped up to ~386 in 2025. All flights operated by 737 mainline. But while total # of weekly flights is still behind YVR, total seats jumped past. Approx. weekly YYZ seats are ~1,700 more than YVR (60,583 vs. 58,787). Again, WG was all 737 so it’s reasonable that seat counts would jump following the integration. Encore still doesn’t operate from either YYZ or YUL, so it’s a non-factor. WS at YYZ has also reduced its exposure to the transborder sector, even before the current drama. So basically the strongest airline sector (sun, non-us) was the one YYZ had the biggest stake in, so the gains totally makes sense.

-YEG had decent flight gains from 2024 (326 vs. 308), and like YVR, almost entirely Encore. But unlinke YVR, their mainline ops stayed flat, no growth or loss. So there was a minor seat gain overall, but like YVR it was muted because WG integration didn’t make a big impact. YYC’s proximity will continue to be a barrier to growth in YEG, I fear. I wish it were different and hope it is, but the fortress growth in YYC will basically stifle options for all other WS airports from MB to BC, it’s just a reality.

-Special mention to YUL, which was so insignificant in WS ops pre-merger, it was painful to even measure it. Like 27 flights per week, and only 3 domestic destinations (no international, no transborder at all). Now thanks to WG, they are at 61 weekly flights, not bad at all. WS has never succeeded in QB, this WG takeover was really their only chance at making an inroad. But we can’t forget there is huge competition from AC and even more TS, both based in YUL and with really extensive networks. Even with the WS+WG merger, they’re still far behind. It would kind of be funny if WS gets walloped by TS and AC and has to shrink their sun offerings even, then they’d really be hopeless at YUL lol. I wonder if there will be more animosity between TS and WS now that they absorbed WG and all of a sudden became a presence. I believe WS and TS still have a codeshare partnership though, it was signed before the WG takeover. And it really seemed to be more about TS transatlantic flights, and piggy backing on WS for western Canada flights since TS completely abandoned every route. But WS’s acquisition and subsequent sun growth has squared it right off with TS in their biggest markets. There can’t be much goodwill from TS towards WS, even if never made public.

If the world hasn’t ended by 2026, it will be interesting to see summer scheds for the combined WG/WS entity. Since WG was always wayyyy busier in the winter, the summer scheds probably won’t be as impacted, but who knows. It’s hard to imagine more than a month or two ahead nowadays lol
I always look forward to and appreciate your detailed break downs! YVR's transborder strengths on WS (Hawaii, Southern California, AZ/NV etc) is definitely making you guys feel the impact wayyy more. Not really in anyone's control though.

As for sun destinations, WS is looking around 13-15 flights a day at CUN this winter, and on Saturdays 21(!!!) which to me feels crazy high. PVR is also looking at up to 11 flights a day on Fridays. Gone are the days when LAS used to be the largest international station. Tons and tons of Mexico capacity and you're right, a ton of it out west is new capacity.
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I always look forward to and appreciate your detailed break downs! YVR's transborder strengths on WS (Hawaii, Southern California, AZ/NV etc) is definitely making you guys feel the impact wayyy more. Not really in anyone's control though.

As for sun destinations, WS is looking around 13-15 flights a day at CUN this winter, and on Saturdays 21(!!!) which to me feels crazy high. PVR is also looking at up to 11 flights a day on Fridays. Gone are the days when LAS used to be the largest international station. Tons and tons of Mexico capacity and you're right, a ton of it out west is new capacity.
That's so nice of you to say, thank you . I know the posts are too long, I apologize every time, there's just so much to unpack, it's so hard to condense such a massive update into nothing. I'm glad some of you get something out of it, I know there's some cranky former who just have snarky comments to make. It really takes a lot of time to compile, but I love doing it haha, so hard to explain to non-AV geeks.
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Mexico is definitely the big winner in terms of gaining capacity this past year. WS has even continuously been adding more and more to its winter schedule each update it seems as they added additional capacity last week on YYC/YEG/YVR/YYZ-CUN/PVR/SJD.

YYC-Mexico also jumped from 9 to 14 destinations in 2025 alone.
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That's so nice of you to say, thank you . I know the posts are too long, I apologize every time, there's just so much to unpack, it's so hard to condense such a massive update into nothing. I'm glad some of you get something out of it, I know there's some cranky former who just have snarky comments to make. It really takes a lot of time to compile, but I love doing it haha, so hard to explain to non-AV geeks.
I appreciate all the work you put into your posts as well.
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Mexico is definitely the big winner in terms of gaining capacity this past year. WS has even continuously been adding more and more to its winter schedule each update it seems as they added additional capacity last week on YYC/YEG/YVR/YYZ-CUN/PVR/SJD.

YYC-Mexico also jumped from 9 to 14 destinations in 2025 alone.
I think I saw somewhere that Canadian arrivals in Mexico were up something like 17% this year.
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-YEG had decent flight gains from 2024 (326 vs. 308), and like YVR, almost entirely Encore. But unlinke YVR, their mainline ops stayed flat, no growth or loss. So there was a minor seat gain overall, but like YVR it was muted because WG integration didn’t make a big impact. YYC’s proximity will continue to be a barrier to growth in YEG, I fear. I wish it were different and hope it is, but the fortress growth in YYC will basically stifle options for all other WS airports from MB to BC, it’s just a reality.

-Special mention to YUL, which was so insignificant in WS ops pre-merger, it was painful to even measure it. Like 27 flights per week, and only 3 domestic destinations (no international, no transborder at all). Now thanks to WG, they are at 61 weekly flights, not bad at all. WS has never succeeded in QB, this WG takeover was really their only chance at making an inroad. But we can’t forget there is huge competition from AC and even more TS, both based in YUL and with really extensive networks. Even with the WS+WG merger, they’re still far behind. It would kind of be funny if WS gets walloped by TS and AC and has to shrink their sun offerings even, then they’d really be hopeless at YUL lol. I wonder if there will be more animosity between TS and WS now that they absorbed WG and all of a sudden became a presence. I believe WS and TS still have a codeshare partnership though, it was signed before the WG takeover. And it really seemed to be more about TS transatlantic flights, and piggy backing on WS for western Canada flights since TS completely abandoned every route. But WS’s acquisition and subsequent sun growth has squared it right off with TS in their biggest markets. There can’t be much goodwill from TS towards WS, even if never made public.

If the world hasn’t ended by 2026, it will be interesting to see summer scheds for the combined WG/WS entity. Since WG was always wayyyy busier in the winter, the summer scheds probably won’t be as impacted, but who knows. It’s hard to imagine more than a month or two ahead nowadays lol
It is weird. WS has Transat and Air France as key partners in Montreal. They should be able to augment their own sales with connections onto both those airlines yet they have always struggled.

WS and TS go way back. Before WS had a vacation package business they were operating chartered flights for TS in Western Canada. Some say that where they learned the market and was the basis for their tour business. I think with the deeper relationship between TS and Porter that is forming TS may be less likely to connect passengers over WS but who knows. If the price is right they will continue to do it.

If it were not for the relationship with Delta, Air France/KLM and Transat I could see WS move to the new airport. However as long as they have strong interline/codeshare partners that should keep them in YUL.
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Mexico is definitely the big winner in terms of gaining capacity this past year. WS has even continuously been adding more and more to its winter schedule each update it seems as they added additional capacity last week on YYC/YEG/YVR/YYZ-CUN/PVR/SJD.

YYC-Mexico also jumped from 9 to 14 destinations in 2025 alone.
One of those new destinations being TPQ (Tepic), which booked flights to. I've never been to that airport, so it'll be interesting. I'm hoping it works out, for me it could be a much better option than going through PVR
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I think this was mentioned on here before, but there's a new release about it.

WestJet announces new interline agreement with Copa Airlines, expanding connectivity across Latin America
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Over 99% of AC’s FAs rejected the salary portion of the contract. Onto mediation and then if that fails binging arbitration.
Not sure anyone is surprised (or shouldn't be anyway). What incentive was there to accept? Agreement for no work stoppage, all the other non-monetary was agreed to and implemented. Going to mediation and probably arbitration, what real risk is there that the money will end up less than what was voted on? I'd love to hear the argument AC would make in those discussions on why the pay should be less than they just agreed to weeks ago.
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